Dems didn't lose white men primarily because of race, but because Dems don't offer them anything

[Tsinni Dave]

You don't need to do that, you just have to acknowledge that cops have a tough job, most cops go on Fox and complain all day long

That sounds like a tough job, alright.

 

[nakedfrog]

You don't need to do that, you just have to acknowledge that cops have a tough job, most cops go on Fox and complain all day long

Wow, it's wild that Fox would bring cops on to complain about things, rather than say how great their job is, who could believe it?

 

[Amol S.]

Women: Abortion Blacks: Civil rights and policing reform Latinos: Immigration and civil rights There's not much for white men to vote Democratic on, so it is not primarily "race", it's that there's nothing there for white males to consider..... Hence, why I see a lot of white men going Independent next year for RFK Jr. Did it ever occur to you that there really are white people that live in poverty, and depend on Democrat run assistance programs? I remember a white classmate in college who had their Federal Work Study approved.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Oh gettyroad please take him home to the outskirts of Moscow where he belongs

 

[Amol S.]

Because that is how a lot of minorities view you.

All white people are inherently racist, including white Latinos.....

Get with the program.

Another fucking clownshoes thread from this gibbering moron.

Gettyroad is a dumb MAGAT who is racist and middle school drop out living in the subbasement of a doublewide scratching his stiff underwear and then sniffing deeply is own pseudo-masculine stench believing it to be a symbol of his power of the Alpha dog male all the while fantasizing about getting them there minorities, women, and liberals into the chambers of woke gas.

many people are saying. The most beautiful people. The best people.

Just because you're white and a racist doesn't make ALL white people racist. And just because one or 2 or even a few progressives think all white people does not mean all progressives think all white people are racists.

The real issue is why do YOU pollute these forums with nothing but bad faith arguments intended to divide people on race?

BTW, critical race theory (since you brought it up) is the study that the entire concept of race is a social construct with no actual basis in reality. That race was invented by people to justify oppression and division. And that racism is the ideology that these constructed races are somehow real and have meaningful differences outside of the apparent physical differences. All things I'm very inclined to agree with. Particularly when talking with an adherent of race ideology like yourself.

GettyRoad, you are not going to trick me into this trap of yours. You are using a rhetoric that is causing infighting within a group of people. Furthermore, this tactic of yours is the same tactic Trump uses, and is the same tactic that the British used to conquer India in the colonial Era. The name of this tactic is Divide and Rule, and it is a very dangerous strategy to use to get one's point of view accross.

 

[GettyRoad]

That sounds like a tough job, alright.

They don't like bail reform and they feel police reform will handcuff police, things that Democrats in blue states like CA, IL, NY, NJ support. A lot of police unions are endorsing Trump and refusing to work with Dems on these issues, that is what I am talking about.

 

[vi edit]

I'm a white male. But I have a wife and a daughter and a son. The women in the house still need their own self bodily autonomy. My kids should still be able to date and marry who they want. My kids should live with the same rights and freedoms that many other countries have such as public healthcare, free access to education and not having to worry about being gunned down in their classrooms.

But I can look past my own needs and actually care about others. So there's that.

 

[DaaQ]

Women: Abortion
Blacks: Civil rights and policing reform
Latinos: Immigration and civil rights

There's not much for white men to vote Democratic on, so it is not primarily "race", it's that there's nothing there for white males to consider.....

Hence, why I see a lot of white men going Independent next year for RFK Jr.

Not reading 5 pages of horseshit, but the white man certainly gets to get taken to court for a multitude of things. Lets start with child support, next?

 

[Tsinni Dave]

They don't like bail reform and they feel police reform will handcuff police, things that Democrats in blue states like CA, IL, NY, NJ support. A lot of police unions are endorsing Trump and refusing to work with Dems on these issues, that is what I am talking about.

A bunch of police were at the Jan.6 insurrection too, so there is that element of them that are authoritarian, treasonous assholes and advocating that Democrats should alter their policies to woo the traitorous, authoritarian asshat subset of white males is not a winning strategy for a civil society.

 

[GettyRoad]

A bunch of police were at the Jan.6 insurrection too, so there is that element of them that are authoritarian, treasonous assholes and advocating that Democrats should alter their policies to woo the traitorous, authoritarian asshat subset of white males is not a winning strategy for a civil society.

Not alter, but realize they feel handcuffed, and they are going to quit their jobs....

A lot of white female cops and Latino/a cops too....

 

[soulcougher73]

Not alter, but realize they feel handcuffed, and they are going to quit their jobs....

A lot of white female cops and Latino/a cops too....

Good. The sooner we lose the racist bad cops the better.

 

[fskimospy]

They don't like bail reform and they feel police reform will handcuff police, things that Democrats in blue states like CA, IL, NY, NJ support. A lot of police unions are endorsing Trump and refusing to work with Dems on these issues, that is what I am talking about.

Really the answer is to just abolish the police unions and be done with it.

Camden shows how much damage police unions do to cities around the country and how effective it can be to eliminate them.

 

[Tsinni Dave]

There may be a bit more to GettyRoads obsession with how "badly" police are being treated by the evil democrats. Trump just announced in a speech that he will "idemnify" police - which means they will not be subject to prosecution. Remember Hitler's brown shirts?
The speech and breakdown is in the first chunk of Keith Olbermann's podcast.

 

[HomerJS]

Too bad @GettyRoad didn't have concern for police on Jan 6. Makes me think his claims are all bullshit

 

[ch33zw1z]

Middle aged white guy here, dem’s offer me plenty, and R’s offer me hate for others and worrying about my place in the line at the trough. No thanks, I’ll vote for reason.

 

[GettyRoad]

Really the answer is to just abolish the police unions and be done with it.

Camden shows how much damage police unions do to cities around the country and how effective it can be to eliminate them.

Christie and the Camden and Camden County officials did a good job in reorganizing the police and getting ride of the corrupt police union.

The police union boss in Camden was an angry Black man too, showing that it's not only angry white cops on the force as well.

Camden FOP president joins overtime suit against city in county police plan

Camden Fraternal Order of Police President John Williamson has joined a class-action lawsuit with officers claiming they have not been paid properly for overtime hours.

www.nj.com

Camden County Police should be a model for American policing, if the GOP were sane, Chris Christie would have been coasting to the nomination trying to appeal to minorities, and hold on to the law and order GOP crowd on this....he helped implement this in his first term.....

The cops in Camden are apolitical, honest and fair.....what it should be....

 

[GettyRoad]

There may be a bit more to GettyRoads obsession with how "badly" police are being treated by the evil democrats. Trump just announced in a speech that he will "idemnify" police - which means they will not be subject to prosecution. Remember Hitler's brown shirts?
The speech and breakdown is in the first chunk of Keith Olbermann's podcast.

The old school cops like Ray Kelly, Bill Bratton don't want too much reform because they feel it "handcuffs" cops....they taught and molded a lot of young cops when they were NYPD chiefs to have the same mentality....

 

[HomerJS]

You don't need to do that, you just have to acknowledge that cops have a tough job, most cops go on Fox and complain all day long

Cops don't have easy jobs but your characterization is greatly exaggerated.

10 Most Dangerous Jobs In America For 2025

Work injuries are a fact of life in all professions. In fact, a total of 5,190 fatal work injuries occurred across the United States in 2021. This was an 8.9% increase compared with the prior year when 4,764 work-related deaths occurred. And it means 3.6 people died per every 100,000 full-time worke

www.forbes.com

 

[nakedfrog]

The old school cops like Ray Kelly, Bill Bratton don't want too much reform because they feel it "handcuffs" cops....they taught and molded a lot of young cops when they were NYPD chiefs to have the same mentality....

And, much like you, they can go fuck themselves.

 

[soundforbjt]

Cops don't have easy jobs but your characterization is greatly exaggerated.

10 Most Dangerous Jobs In America For 2025

Work injuries are a fact of life in all professions. In fact, a total of 5,190 fatal work injuries occurred across the United States in 2021. This was an 8.9% increase compared with the prior year when 4,764 work-related deaths occurred. And it means 3.6 people died per every 100,000 full-time worke

www.forbes.com

Not to mention the traffic accidents which accounts for the most deaths are directly caused by their own stupidity like not wearing a seatbelt.

 

[Bitek]

You may not like them, but conservatives have developed a whole ecosystem to address and appeal to men. Not exclusively to whites either. Jordan Peterson, Rogan, Elon, Daily Wire, let alone the army of red pill streamers.

Some are grifters, and way too many appeal to men thru toxic victimhood, with Trump being the king of whiny victims.
-Govt is the problem, minorities, immigrants, media, woke, woke companies, woke colleges, the Internet/ social media, feminists, soy boys, simps etc. Etc etc

But D's have no popular figures speaking to men and their issues, nor make much attempt to have any play in this space.

Poplar left wing figures appealing to men are, who exactly?

Plenty of victimhood pandering on the left too, but it's usually aimed at men rather than for them.
- toxic masculinity, incels, pick me's, misogyny, the wage gap, white privilege, everything is racist, me too
-in addition to the traditional blame game of greedy corporations, billionaires, social media, conservative media, college costs, pharma, the police

So, both sides are shit, but one is saying it's shit because of men, and the other says it's shit and unfair for men.

Not a surprise who will get the votes, but also why nothing changes.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You may not like them, but conservatives have developed a whole ecosystem to address and appeal to men. Not exclusively to whites either. Jordan Peterson, Rogan, Elon, Daily Wire, let alone the army of red pill streamers.

Some are grifters, and way too many appeal to men thru toxic victimhood, with Trump being the king of whiny victims.
-Govt is the problem, minorities, immigrants, media, woke, woke companies, woke colleges, the Internet/ social media, feminists, soy boys, simps etc. Etc etc

But D's have no popular figures speaking to men and their issues, nor make much attempt to have any play in this space.

Poplar left wing figures appealing to men are, who exactly?

Plenty of victimhood pandering on the left too, but it's usually aimed at men rather than for them.
- toxic masculinity, incels, pick me's, misogyny, the wage gap, white privilege, everything is racist, me too
-in addition to the traditional blame game of greedy corporations, billionaires, social media, conservative media, college costs, pharma, the police

So, both sides are shit, but one is saying it's shit because of men, and the other says it's shit and unfair for men.

Not a surprise who will get the votes, but also why nothing changes.

FWIW, I don't see the identification and desire to change things like toxic masculinity, incels, pick me's, misogyny, the wage gap, white privilege, everything is racist, me too as a net negative. These, IMO, are less of an attack on men specifically, and more of an "attack" so to speak on the status quo....which is those things or creates those things.

Like it or not, and we agree here I'm sure, women are still fighting for equality, as are minorities.

 

[HomerJS]

You may not like them, but conservatives have developed a whole ecosystem to address and appeal to men. Not exclusively to whites either. Jordan Peterson, Rogan, Elon, Daily Wire, let alone the army of red pill streamers.

Some are grifters, and way too many appeal to men thru toxic victimhood, with Trump being the king of whiny victims.
-Govt is the problem, minorities, immigrants, media, woke, woke companies, woke colleges, the Internet/ social media, feminists, soy boys, simps etc. Etc etc

But D's have no popular figures speaking to men and their issues, nor make much attempt to have any play in this space.

Poplar left wing figures appealing to men are, who exactly?

Plenty of victimhood pandering on the left too, but it's usually aimed at men rather than for them.
- toxic masculinity, incels, pick me's, misogyny, the wage gap, white privilege, everything is racist, me too
-in addition to the traditional blame game of greedy corporations, billionaires, social media, conservative media, college costs, pharma, the police

So, both sides are shit, but one is saying it's shit because of men, and the other says it's shit and unfair for men.

Not a surprise who will get the votes, but also why nothing changes.

I'm amazed how the culture of grievance runs so strongly in a group that still controls almost everything.

 

[VashHT]

You may not like them, but conservatives have developed a whole ecosystem to address and appeal to men. Not exclusively to whites either. Jordan Peterson, Rogan, Elon, Daily Wire, let alone the army of red pill streamers.

Lmao why would any of those guys appeal to you unless you're an insecure pathetic loser?

 

[Pohemi]

Cherry-pick a single so-called "radical leftist", and apply their statements, personal actions, or beliefs to the entire Democrat party and ALL liberals.

Might as well defend conservative fuckery (including mass shooters) by labeling it a "lone wolf", "outlier", false flag, etc. as conservative rhetoric continues to whip the base into a violent froth amirite?

Uh huh, sure.

I'm amazed how the culture of grievance runs so strongly in a group that still controls almost everything.

Like their claims of being the "silent majority" even though they're actually the loud-mouthed minority. Always the oppressed victims and projectionists, dontchya know.