Dems didn't lose white men primarily because of race, but because Dems don't offer them anything

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GettyRoad

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OP's core fallacy is that every policy benefits only one identifiable group when the vast majority of actual government policies impact everyone. If we all suddenly have better access to healthcare, then we all have better access to healthcare. The majority of progressive policies work that way.

I think the OP just sees everything in terms of race and us versus them.
Slavery reparations to Black Americans would not benefit Whites or any other group.....so, some progressive policies would not help all specifically....
 
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Slavery reparations to Black Americans would not benefit Whites or any other group.....so, some progressive policies would not help all specifically....

Reparations is something a small fringe of democrats support. But even if it was supported by most democrats, it's one policy of many. Remember, your original post said that democrats are doing "nothing" for white men. Showing one example of one policy does not substantiate your point, right? In fact, you could come up with five other examples, and it wouldn't prove your point, because numerous policies that basically benefit everyone have already been given in this thread.

Now, if you want to say that policies of the dems don't benefit the wealthy class much, then you'd have a point. But that's not what you said.
 

MrSquished

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We should ask racist piece of shit trash white men like @pcgeek11 why he feels the Democrats don't really do anything for racist trash willfully ignorant white men

pcgeek11 has not participated in this thread AND you have been repeatedly warned about your all too numerous and over the top attacks.

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Slavery reparations to Black Americans would not benefit Whites or any other group.....so, some progressive policies would not help all specifically....
I’ll throw this back on you. As referenced earlier when was the last time Republicans passed something to primarily benefit the average American? Families making <70k. Medicare Part D was passed back in 2003
 

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I think the Dems are offering plenty and it's going to be another embarrassing asskicking for the illiterate and mentally ill Mango Mussolini. His racist cult is in for another gigantic failure.

Having an economy on rocket fuel when the traitor's employment levels were in the negatives is a bad look, in addition to you know, the treason. Oh and the hundreds of thousands of Americans dead from covid, over his ego. Dipshit being embarrassed his bronzer came off on his n95 mask was the start of the cult's hatred of masks. At least it disproportionately affected his cult, go figure.

A picture works better sometimes so here, this what Biden is offering all rational Americans, regardless of ethnicity or gender. You'd have to be christofascist, Russian sucking, democracy hating piece of shit to get this one wrong.


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[DHT]Osiris

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Everything in America is seen through race and sex because of the nation's history, of course I am obsessed with race and sex. Damn right I am.
Counter point: you're actually rather racist and sexist and have never been called out on it. You've made comments irl over the years to 'test the waters' with certain people and never got positive feedback, but never got negative feedback either. Interestingly you don't have a lot of friends, as people keep you at a little more than arm's length. 'nice guy, but has some pretty strange views on things' they'll say. I'd say divorced twice, but you're not really sure why they happened. Probably a large dog, and an above ground pool you're more proud of than you should be.
 

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Women: Abortion
Blacks: Civil rights and policing reform
Latinos: Immigration and civil rights

There's not much for white men to vote Democratic on, so it is not primarily "race", it's that there's nothing there for white males to consider.....

Hence, why I see a lot of white men going Independent next year for RFK Jr.
Adults shouldn't need treats to do the right thing. Abortion access is healthcare which benefits everyone. Civil rights and police reform benefit everyone in a society. Immigration is absolutely a good thing if done properly and benefits society as a whole. Why divide by groups when a free and just society for everyone is the endgoal and would indeed benefit your weirdly specific "white males " group along with everyone else?
 

GettyRoad

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Reparations is something a small fringe of democrats support. But even if it was supported by most democrats, it's one policy of many. Remember, your original post said that democrats are doing "nothing" for white men. Showing one example of one policy does not substantiate your point, right? In fact, you could come up with five other examples, and it wouldn't prove your point, because numerous policies that basically benefit everyone have already been given in this thread.

Now, if you want to say that policies of the dems don't benefit the wealthy class much, then you'd have a point. But that's not what you said.

Reparations should have been given decades ago, Black voters want it NOWW, so Dems are gonna have to do something about it or else they can't win.....

If Hakeem Jeffries want to be speaker, reparations will have to be considered. The problem is that Jeffries needs white moderate districts to win, and white moderates will not support reparations.


 

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I’ll throw this back on you. As referenced earlier when was the last time Republicans passed something to primarily benefit the average American? Families making <70k. Medicare Part D was passed back in 2003
Probably the 2017 tax cut, because a lot of white middle class people feel it helped them, look at how a lot of them support Trump.
 
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Pohemi

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Probably the 2017 tax cut, because a lot of white middle class people feel it helped them, look at how a lot of them support Trump.
Holy shit, you are delusional. You thought you found a cherry to pick, but it isn't even true (or is at the very least, disingenuous). How many times is that now, just in this thread alone?

Those tax cuts didn't help middle class of ANY color (like that should matter but here YOU are) for more than a few years. Now everyone but the wealthy are back to paying higher taxes.

So no, that tax cut was NOT for everyone. Keep pulling those false supporting points from your ass though. :rolleyes:
 

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I’ll throw this back on you. As referenced earlier when was the last time Republicans passed something to primarily benefit the average American? Families making <70k. Medicare Part D was passed back in 2003

And just to highlight the difference between republicans and democrats know this; the democrats unanimously voted against that legislation. However when they gained control of Congress they didn’t try to repeal the law, they improved it and closed the “donut hole”.
 
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Vic

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I stopped replying to this racebaiting POS troll after he came out in favor of racial segregation. You all should do the same.
The OP believes human beings are nothing but little boxes on his race bingo card, and seeks only to divide and dehumanize to serve his racist agenda.
And the Dems never lost "white men." The OP's premise is so overly broadbrushed it's absurd. They did lose the Barry Goldwater-voting George Wallace-loving Lynyrd Skynyrd-listening crowd, which happen to be mostly white men, back in the 60s-70s, but that's something to be proud of.

To expand on this point with local politics, the other day on a forum local to me, a poster there lamented that today's Democratic mayor of Portland isn't like Frank Ivancie, a former Democrat mayor. Oh, how the Democrats have moved to the left, this poster cried!
Ivancie's claim to fame, as city councilmember and eventually mayor over more than 2 decades, was to have minorities, LGBT, and Vietnam war protesters harrassed and jailed. He used the police dept he controlled as his personal political weapon, and openly barred those groups from getting employment with the city. He wanted half the city torn down to build freeways, even though that meant the govt seizing thousands of privately-owned homes. And the list goes on.
The "white men" who approve of that kind of shit are the "white men" the Democrats have lost, because what the Democrats stopped offering them was the power to oppress others. And as a white guy myself, I say good riddance.
 
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Holy shit, you are delusional. You thought you found a cherry to pick, but it isn't even true (or is at the very least, disingenuous). How many times is that now, just in this thread alone?

Those tax cuts didn't help middle class of ANY color (like that should matter but here YOU are) for more than a few years. Now everyone but the wealthy are back to paying higher taxes.

So no, that tax cut was NOT for everyone. Keep pulling those false supporting points from your ass though. :rolleyes:
Why do most white cops, even white cops in NJ/NY, etc. support the guy then? Clearly they feel they were doing economically/financially better....
 
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Reparations is something a small fringe of democrats support. But even if it was supported by most democrats, it's one policy of many. Remember, your original post said that democrats are doing "nothing" for white men.

When was the last time you saw polling on this? It's not exactly fringe. Blacks alone are at around 80% and the trend is younger are more supportive.

OP's core fallacy is that every policy benefits only one identifiable group when the vast majority of actual government policies impact everyone. If we all suddenly have better access to healthcare, then we all have better access to healthcare. The majority of progressive policies work that way.

Crapping all over equal protection seems like a huge violation, no? They ran roughshod over it.

President Lowell, Harvard 1920s: “To prevent a dangerous increase in the proportion of Jews, I know at present only one way which is at the same time straightforward and effective, and that is a selection by a personal estimate of character."



While the alternative isn’t good especially considering Trump, I could see many souring on Democrats being taken over by social justice types over that reason because as Paul Krugman likes to say, the federal government is an insurance company with an army. Outside of that for state & local, that’s mostly education, public safety, and state portion of Medicaid.

I’m curious, what do you think of this? (allegation was retracted; didn't think it could be true for some obvious reasons). It’s interesting they only get upset if Jews are singled out, yet they are mostly unharmed from anti-white policies because they get lumped in as white despite their ~10 IQ difference from general white population and significant presence in good jobs over what their IQ alone would suggest. .


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I think the OP just sees everything in terms of race and us versus them.

Lol The social justice arm thinks the conservative colorblindness approach is somehow problematic, haha.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...ing/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

“Colorblind ideology aims to treat individuals as equally as possible, without regard to race.”

^ This is somehow problematic, haha. If you say you’ll treat everyone equally for a diversity statement, you’ll never get hired.

Check out this insane Red Hat presentation. McWhorter was right about it being a new religion.

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"[Whites] feed and thrive on power at the expense of other races"

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GettyRoad

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You are called a racist by so many people because you are racist. Your fixation on race in every single shit thread you start exposes you.
Race is important in this country, of course I am gonna be obsessed, the issue hasn't gone away.
 

Vic

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It's not racist to discuss these things, it's the facts.

Stop calling everything you disagree with as racist, it's getting old.
And yet your "facts" are that the lives of individual human beings are controlled by whatever race they were born into, are they not?
How exactly is that not racist?
 
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