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Dems, are we going to lose again?
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UberNeuman
Lifer
So did Nixon.....
Lemon law
Lifer
To PingSpike---who says---Never underestimate the democratic party's ability to fuck it up.
What a truly bizarre thing to say in 2007---when its the Republicans who are--everywhere you look---the party that fucked it up---and now blocks all efforts by the dems to fix anything.---and when they had a majority in 2000-2006---they denied the democrats any chance to even help them screw up the country.
And now the Republicans have zero chance to win anything in Iraq and have given us a total quagmire---and the GOP lone chance in 08 is that the dems will force an end to Iraq and that forced withdrawal will be even a bigger blunder than the blunder GWB made when he lied us into the war.
But when put that way--it may not sound very just---but it may be what happens.
What a truly bizarre thing to say in 2007---when its the Republicans who are--everywhere you look---the party that fucked it up---and now blocks all efforts by the dems to fix anything.---and when they had a majority in 2000-2006---they denied the democrats any chance to even help them screw up the country.
And now the Republicans have zero chance to win anything in Iraq and have given us a total quagmire---and the GOP lone chance in 08 is that the dems will force an end to Iraq and that forced withdrawal will be even a bigger blunder than the blunder GWB made when he lied us into the war.
But when put that way--it may not sound very just---but it may be what happens.
Pliablemoose
Lifer
Ok, I called the 04 election & gloated like crazy (I'm a registered independent with conservative leanings).
Thompson's going to win for the following reasons:
1.) By simple virtue of his being on Law & Order (yes the public is that stupid)
2.) People are tired of the squabbling in congress & see the Democrats have been ineffective.
3.) Hillary & Obama are gonna sling muck like you've never seen, making the public so sick of the two of them they'll be disenfranchised with the Democrats altogether.
4.) Don't underestimate how badly people hate Hillary, the hate is real & tangible, she's always been a polarizing figure, the public doesn't like ambitious women.
5.) Obama is a junior congressman, for Christ's sake, for the dems to pin their hope on him is insane.
Honestly, I didn't think there could be a worse choice than Kerry, this election cycle has proven me wrong.
Please realize none of the above reasons are my personal reasons for my choices, I'm just guessing how it's going to play out, although I prefer the Feds be deadlocked as they are, when one party has too much power shit happens and I don't like change.
Thompson's going to win for the following reasons:
1.) By simple virtue of his being on Law & Order (yes the public is that stupid)
2.) People are tired of the squabbling in congress & see the Democrats have been ineffective.
3.) Hillary & Obama are gonna sling muck like you've never seen, making the public so sick of the two of them they'll be disenfranchised with the Democrats altogether.
4.) Don't underestimate how badly people hate Hillary, the hate is real & tangible, she's always been a polarizing figure, the public doesn't like ambitious women.
5.) Obama is a junior congressman, for Christ's sake, for the dems to pin their hope on him is insane.
Honestly, I didn't think there could be a worse choice than Kerry, this election cycle has proven me wrong.
Please realize none of the above reasons are my personal reasons for my choices, I'm just guessing how it's going to play out, although I prefer the Feds be deadlocked as they are, when one party has too much power shit happens and I don't like change.
Vic
Elite Member
Exactly the same thinking that cost the Dems the election in 2004. Let's learn from our mistakes and not do that again, eh?
Uh... and the Dems don't accept any corporate money? :roll:
You 2 and McOwen&Co. need to GTFO out of the Dem party so that we can hope to win in '08. Partisan rhetoric and finger-pointing ain't good enough.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Bahahahahaha You no more want the Dems to win than Bush wants to balance the budget.
theeedude
Lifer
Can you imagine if Kerry won in 2004? Democrats would be on their way to becoming a permanent minority party instead of the GOP. He who laughs last, laughs best. 😀
Anyways, if Hillary is polling 5 points higher than Rudy now, with all her negatives, she is very likely to win. She is pretty much immune to dirt being thrown at her at this point, while she still hasn't gone to work on Rudy.
That's why I'd pick the devil I know over the one I don't. Obama seems good now, but he is still largely a dark horse, no pun intended, as far as the kind of swiftboating he still has to withstand from the right. Kerry looked "electable" around nomination time too. Hillary on the other hand has been attacked so many times for so long, it's factored in now, and it won't do much damage to her. Of course I am going to vote for and give money to whoever the Democrats nominate. Gotta use my Bush tax cut for something 😉
Anyways, if Hillary is polling 5 points higher than Rudy now, with all her negatives, she is very likely to win. She is pretty much immune to dirt being thrown at her at this point, while she still hasn't gone to work on Rudy.
That's why I'd pick the devil I know over the one I don't. Obama seems good now, but he is still largely a dark horse, no pun intended, as far as the kind of swiftboating he still has to withstand from the right. Kerry looked "electable" around nomination time too. Hillary on the other hand has been attacked so many times for so long, it's factored in now, and it won't do much damage to her. Of course I am going to vote for and give money to whoever the Democrats nominate. Gotta use my Bush tax cut for something 😉
Hillary has never been under a coordinated attack campaign in the national media. The general, uninformed electorate doesnt know about all the skeletons in Hillary's closet yet. The Repubs attack machine is going to take attack ads to a new high, or low, and it's probably going to work.
theeedude
Lifer
It's not going to work. Look at these books that are coming out about her every month now. They all get media coverage, but not much impact if any on her ratings. It's already cooked in the goose so to speak.
The thing is, all these skeletons that you speak of will have to get in line with all the other skeletons that the rightwing attack machine has been throwing at her for decades now, and it's going to be hard for them to stand out from old news. Obama, on the other hand is like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, spared the firebombing to make a target for the big bombs later on. So is Giuliani to some extent, because a lot of his scandals are local NY stories waiting to go national.
blackangst1
Lifer
QFT.
The two facts that support this are: The Repubs have raised the most campaign money to date, and, more importantly, Democrats dont pander to PACS. Corporations know this, which is why big business starys away from the Dems. Theyre all about the people.
You know its a great day when you can't determine if the thing you just quoted is someone being sarcastic or not... Dems are just as much for the people as the republicans. Name one thing the Democrats are for, other than cater to the minority crowd, be it gays, blacks, mexicans, etc. Seeing I'm white male, I see nothing in the democrats book of tricks that would do me any good.
Why would I vote for them?
blackangst1
Lifer
Yes, it was sarcastic. Very.
Pliablemoose
Lifer
LOL, exactly why the Democrats can't get it together, well that & thinking that people under 30 and blacks will actually vote in numbers that make a difference.
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