those democrats have been voting republican for 40+ years now. And those whites have been doing a pretty good job of keeping themselves poor and uneducated. It's not a coincidence that an disproportionate number of top major universities in the united states are in the northeast, midwest and west coast.
those democrats have been voting republican for 40+ years now. And those whites have been doing a pretty good job of keeping themselves poor and uneducated. It's not a coincidence that an disproportionate number of top major universities in the united states are in the northeast, midwest and west coast.
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Its been fun following the election in here, and post-election turmoil. But I keep coming across a common statement from the far leaning left - if the Republicans don't like it, then go away.
What would happen if they did just all go away? If many of us just moved to another country?
Who would pay for all the social programs?
Lets be honest here. If the red states all left America, they would be hurting... badly. The blue states provide the majority of the tax revenue, and they are the centers of wealth for our nation.
I think the main reason people are saying that is a bit of revenge for all the years of "America: love it or leave it" that they got from the Republicans. Not the most mature thing in the world, no. Lets not lose sight of the fact of which states really pay the bills in our country though.
Naw, the red states will make up the difference by jacking up your energy prices in addition to keeping all taxes/royalties currently generated from it. Or simply turn off the "spigot" if the wanted to hurt the blue states - be an awfully cold winter. If you use the Bush "red states" you can throw in a large portion of your food. On the other hand, the blue states would economically cripple the red.
My point is, all this blue state vs red state crap is nonsense. If by some magic the country where to split both sides would be royally screwed.
blue states produce more food that red states by an enormous margin. I think the only consistently red state that is in the top 10 food producing states is texas. Furthermore, there is a global supply for all these commodities, so at best these would be idle threats.
I fully support Obama; part of that needs to be really understanding that partisan nastiness and divisiveness is intensely hurtful to our country as a whole; it's the non-violent version of warring sects in Iraq for instance. It isn't helpful. We really do need to make an effort to become more post-partisan and reject the kind of wedge-tactic divisiveness that helped get us into some of these problems in the first place
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Its been fun following the election in here, and post-election turmoil. But I keep coming across a common statement from the far leaning left - if the Republicans don't like it, then go away.
What would happen if they did just all go away? If many of us just moved to another country?
Who would pay for all the social programs?
Ever read Atlas Shrugged?
Interesting parallels with the last eight years ....
Not really. Atlas Shrugged is a horrible book. Like... really embarrassingly bad. It's not just Ayn Rand's ridiculous anarcho-capitalism, but the book is written like a 3rd grader did it.
All you said was "not really", which made it seem you were actually going to present a counter-argument, but then you went right into bashing the book via issuence of your own opinion. Have you read the book? Be honest now... if there are no parallel's as you claim, then what is your real argument to the contrary?
That stupid book is sitting right next to me here on my bookshelf. No, there aren't any parallels between the last 8 years and that book. The book relies upon the ridiculous idea that the world's function is reliant upon a handful of productive people, the captains of industry if you will. That's just a dumb assumption with no basis in reality. The world is better for having Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (maybe) in it. The world would not be destitute without them as our good friend Ayn would have you believe.
Also, the writing is just awful. The characters are all indistinguishable from one another, they talk like ideological automatons, the villains are cartoonish caricatures that serve no purpose other than to be absurdly unrealistic punching bags, straight out of some of Plato's worst writing. It has a monologue in it that lasts more than 50 pages of straight talking.
Poorly plotted, poorly written, insane ideology = bad book.
And again, like I said... no relation to the world as we know it now, or have ever known it.
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Originally posted by: Mani
Well, let's see - we'd lose the red states and Wall Street...sounds like a good idea to me.
You seriously can't be that ignorant, can you?
Is there one prominent republican or democrat that has said something to the effect of 'love it or leave' ?
Coming from my fellow Dems, the whole "America! Love it or leave it!" is a parody, a way of throwing the repubs' crap right back in their faces.
We've heard that, and a thousand variants ever since the Sainted RR took office, with some respite during the Clinton years... Hell, those of us old enough to remember also got it from Goldwater, Agnew, and Nixon...
The fact that it really is the Righties' own crap is what really infuriates them, and what makes it so much fun, too...
Don't be so touchy, guys- if it was good enough to pitch, then it ought to be good enough to catch, right?
We've heard that, and a thousand variants ever since the Sainted RR took office, with some respite during the Clinton years... Hell, those of us old enough to remember also got it from Goldwater, Agnew, and Nixon...
The fact that it really is the Righties' own crap is what really infuriates them, and what makes it so much fun, too...
Don't be so touchy, guys- if it was good enough to pitch, then it ought to be good enough to catch, right?
Love it or leave it.. has been done before... "it was called the brain drain"... when the communist took over southeast asian, most wealthy people left. its been poor ever since. If the US ever turns into a situation like that, people will leave.
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The bad assumption here, of course, is that all conservatives pitched it. I've never pitched it, but I've sure as hell had people expect me to catch it in the past few days.
Leaving that aside for a moment though, I had thought that the "he did it first" excuse stopped working after one passed the age of six.
It showed a lack of class when the right did it and it shows a corresponding lack of class now that the left is doing it.
ZV
Nobody in my circles has ever told a Democrat to "get out if they don't like it", except when mocking the liberal hollywood types that claimed to be moving to France if GWB won re-election.
So where were all the Republicans telling Dems to get out if they don't like it? Any specific examples?? THere's definately a consenus that it happened a lot, but where are some specific examples?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Its been fun following the election in here, and post-election turmoil. But I keep coming across a common statement from the far leaning left - if the Republicans don't like it, then go away.
What would happen if they did just all go away? If many of us just moved to another country?
Who would pay for all the social programs?
Ever read Atlas Shrugged?
Interesting parallels with the last eight years ....
Not really. Atlas Shrugged is a horrible book. Like... really embarrassingly bad. It's not just Ayn Rand's ridiculous anarcho-capitalism, but the book is written like a 3rd grader did it.
All you said was "not really", which made it seem you were actually going to present a counter-argument, but then you went right into bashing the book via issuence of your own opinion. Have you read the book? Be honest now... if there are no parallel's as you claim, then what is your real argument to the contrary?
That stupid book is sitting right next to me here on my bookshelf. No, there aren't any parallels between the last 8 years and that book. The book relies upon the ridiculous idea that the world's function is reliant upon a handful of productive people, the captains of industry if you will. That's just a dumb assumption with no basis in reality. The world is better for having Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (maybe) in it. The world would not be destitute without them as our good friend Ayn would have you believe.
Also, the writing is just awful. The characters are all indistinguishable from one another, they talk like ideological automatons, the villains are cartoonish caricatures that serve no purpose other than to be absurdly unrealistic punching bags, straight out of some of Plato's worst writing. It has a monologue in it that lasts more than 50 pages of straight talking.
Poorly plotted, poorly written, insane ideology = bad book.
And again, like I said... no relation to the world as we know it now, or have ever known it.
The parallels are in the politics of 'pull' in addition to special corporate interests receiving favoritism from the Federal Gov't.
No better examples than the Hank Paulson Golden Bailout Bucket-O-Cash, the AIG cash infusion, the AutoCo Loan(s), the Laisez-Faire SEC and the FDIC 'choosing' which banks live, die or 'partner' (essentially in the case of Wachovia).
Not to mention the failure of Bear Sterns, Morgan Stanley being 'gobbled', the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy and Goldman becoming a bank holding company.
Don't focus on the premise of the 'brain/capitalist' drain - nor that of John Galt (though it's interesting than President Obama may have a degree of Galt-like' status if his administration doesn't tamp down enthusiasm) ...
You are part of our problem in this country
Do you think all dems lean far left and all Repubs lean far ight...nope
Most people are moderate in their beliefs and vote what they feel is best for them at a given moment in time...
I am a moderate individual..I dislike the far right and left..too extreme for me in both cases
I believe in helping people but no handouts..make and effort and I will help you.....expect me to help you as an entitlement is IMHO against the american way. You have to work hard for the american dream
I beleive in good fiscal responsibility which our gov't seems incapable of performing..both parties waste our tax dollars like it gorws on trees.....
I truly wish we had a nice moderate 3rd party to keep things in check and in the countries best interest
There is no better country in the world IMHO..even with all our faults
No.
It's a silly sentiment.
We are all Americans and we are stuck with each other - even you are welcome
:laugh:
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Its been fun following the election in here, and post-election turmoil. But I keep coming across a common statement from the far leaning left - if the Republicans don't like it, then go away.
What would happen if they did just all go away? If many of us just moved to another country?
Who would pay for all the social programs?
Ever read Atlas Shrugged?
Interesting parallels with the last eight years ....
Not really. Atlas Shrugged is a horrible book. Like... really embarrassingly bad. It's not just Ayn Rand's ridiculous anarcho-capitalism, but the book is written like a 3rd grader did it.
All you said was "not really", which made it seem you were actually going to present a counter-argument, but then you went right into bashing the book via issuence of your own opinion. Have you read the book? Be honest now... if there are no parallel's as you claim, then what is your real argument to the contrary?
That stupid book is sitting right next to me here on my bookshelf. No, there aren't any parallels between the last 8 years and that book. The book relies upon the ridiculous idea that the world's function is reliant upon a handful of productive people, the captains of industry if you will. That's just a dumb assumption with no basis in reality. The world is better for having Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (maybe) in it. The world would not be destitute without them as our good friend Ayn would have you believe.
Also, the writing is just awful. The characters are all indistinguishable from one another, they talk like ideological automatons, the villains are cartoonish caricatures that serve no purpose other than to be absurdly unrealistic punching bags, straight out of some of Plato's worst writing. It has a monologue in it that lasts more than 50 pages of straight talking.
Poorly plotted, poorly written, insane ideology = bad book.
And again, like I said... no relation to the world as we know it now, or have ever known it.
I got it on order from Amazon, i'll find out soon. A friend of mine read it, he's a libertarian and he came away pretty impressed with her insight. I don't really care about the writing style too much usually, at least after a few chapters.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Its been fun following the election in here, and post-election turmoil. But I keep coming across a common statement from the far leaning left - if the Republicans don't like it, then go away.
What would happen if they did just all go away? If many of us just moved to another country?
Who would pay for all the social programs?
Lets be honest here. If the red states all left America, they would be hurting... badly. The blue states provide the majority of the tax revenue, and they are the centers of wealth for our nation.
I think the main reason people are saying that is a bit of revenge for all the years of "America: love it or leave it" that they got from the Republicans. Not the most mature thing in the world, no. Lets not lose sight of the fact of which states really pay the bills in our country though.
Naw, the red states will make up the difference by jacking up your energy prices in addition to keeping all taxes/royalties currently generated from it. Or simply turn off the "spigot" if the wanted to hurt the blue states - be an awfully cold winter. If you use the Bush "red states" you can throw in a large portion of your food. On the other hand, the blue states would economically cripple the red.
My point is, all this blue state vs red state crap is nonsense. If by some magic the country where to split both sides would be royally screwed.
blue states produce more food that red states by an enormous margin. I think the only consistently red state that is in the top 10 food producing states is texas. Furthermore, there is a global supply for all these commodities, so at best these would be idle threats.
Texas, Nebraska, Kansas, North Carolina, and Indiana are all in the top 10 food producing states, and all are historically red states.
Oh, I just remembered. When jobs were hard to find, people from "socialist" eastern Germany moved to western Germany. This is aso happening right now in eastern Europe. Young people are moving away from all the unemployment that those socialist countries have to countries like ireland, britain etc.. where unemployment is lower and less socialist.
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