Democrats...

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Hmmm, so what you're saying is that if we hurry up and leave that country alone, like we should have to begin with, then it will hurry up and return to being exactly like it was before we invaded them. That sounds fair to me.

Except now they'd also have the added bonuses of more people dead, and no basic services such as electricity or running water.

 

[irwincur]

The big problem is what will Iran do with Iraq?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aimster
They want our troops to come home. Well dont we all?

If they actually go ahead with it then what is going to happen to Iraq? I'll tell you what. It is going to turn int a place where the violence is 5x higher than it is now.

women raped constantly. Mass murders. It will be disaster.

of course on the plus side what goes on inside Iraq does not effect us at all once we are gone.

Not to blame the democrats for an illegal war started by republicians, but I think they need to realize that Bush Fd us all up and we have to stay with his mistake. We cant run from his mistake.

What goes on inside Iraq won't affect us if we leave? I beg to differ. If we leave, then the country will be thrown into chaos, limiting oil supplies resulting in higher prices and allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven to regroup and plan future attacks.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
They want our troops to come home. Well dont we all?

If they actually go ahead with it then what is going to happen to Iraq? I'll tell you what. It is going to turn int a place where the violence is 5x higher than it is now.

women raped constantly. Mass murders. It will be disaster.

of course on the plus side what goes on inside Iraq does not effect us at all once we are gone.

Not to blame the democrats for an illegal war started by republicians, but I think they need to realize that Bush Fd us all up and we have to stay with his mistake. We cant run from his mistake.

What goes on inside Iraq won't affect us if we leave? I beg to differ. If we leave, then the country will be thrown into chaos, limiting oil supplies resulting in higher prices and allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven to regroup and plan future attacks.

Al Qaeda already has multiple safe havens, most notably and disgustingly the Sudan.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html

The cells there continue to use Sudan as a training ground and playground, but the NeoCons at large totally ignore the Sudan for the most part. Hmm, no oil there.

As far as limited oil supplies from Iraq, that's already what has happened. It was explained in detail (with internal State Dept. documents!) in the book Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. If the Iraqi output dropped to zero, which it basically already has, it would have scarcely any impact on already high prices. Read here in detail the various documents which show the Iraqi oil exports to be incredibly insignificant compared to Kuwait, Saudi, etc.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/oiltrade.html

What you are hearing from the desperate Republicans is the final admission of oil being a priority to rationalize the Iraqi blunder, after the complete and total failings of :

*It's about WMDS
*It's about freeing the Iraqi people
*It's about fighting terrorists

So now ..

*It's about oil

Well, yes it is! But by sustaining chaos in the region, and by keeping production through the floor, the reserves of the oil & gas companies increase by untold billions of dollars.

Finally, it is widely admitted by the right, blood for oil.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
They want our troops to come home. Well dont we all?

If they actually go ahead with it then what is going to happen to Iraq? I'll tell you what. It is going to turn int a place where the violence is 5x higher than it is now.

women raped constantly. Mass murders. It will be disaster.

of course on the plus side what goes on inside Iraq does not effect us at all once we are gone.

Not to blame the democrats for an illegal war started by republicians, but I think they need to realize that Bush Fd us all up and we have to stay with his mistake. We cant run from his mistake.

What goes on inside Iraq won't affect us if we leave? I beg to differ. If we leave, then the country will be thrown into chaos, limiting oil supplies resulting in higher prices and allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven to regroup and plan future attacks.

Al Qaeda already has multiple safe havens, most notably and disgustingly the Sudan.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html

The cells there continue to use Sudan as a training ground and playground, but the NeoCons at large totally ignore the Sudan for the most part. Hmm, no oil there.

As far as limited oil supplies from Iraq, that's already what has happened. It was explained in detail (with internal State Dept. documents!) in the book Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. If the Iraqi output dropped to zero, which it basically already has, it would have scarcely any impact on already high prices. Read here in detail the various documents which show the Iraqi oil exports to be incredibly insignificant compared to Kuwait, Saudi, etc.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/oiltrade.html

What you are hearing from the desperate Republicans is the final admission of oil being a priority to rationalize the Iraqi blunder, after the complete and total failings of :

*It's about WMDS
*It's about freeing the Iraqi people
*It's about fighting terrorists

So now ..

*It's about oil

Well, yes it is! But by sustaining chaos in the region, and by keeping production through the floor, the reserves of the oil & gas companies increase by untold billions of dollars.

Finally, it is widely admitted by the right, blood for oil.

You arent making sense. You already admit what is true:Iraq's oil production compared other OPEC members is very small. Add to that, it was never ever the USA'a intention to "take over" the oil fields.

So it begs the question...how could this have possibly been a war about oil, when it has never been in the equation?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
They want our troops to come home. Well dont we all?

If they actually go ahead with it then what is going to happen to Iraq? I'll tell you what. It is going to turn int a place where the violence is 5x higher than it is now.

women raped constantly. Mass murders. It will be disaster.

of course on the plus side what goes on inside Iraq does not effect us at all once we are gone.

Not to blame the democrats for an illegal war started by republicians, but I think they need to realize that Bush Fd us all up and we have to stay with his mistake. We cant run from his mistake.

What goes on inside Iraq won't affect us if we leave? I beg to differ. If we leave, then the country will be thrown into chaos, limiting oil supplies resulting in higher prices and allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven to regroup and plan future attacks.

Al Qaeda already has multiple safe havens, most notably and disgustingly the Sudan.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html

The cells there continue to use Sudan as a training ground and playground, but the NeoCons at large totally ignore the Sudan for the most part. Hmm, no oil there.

As far as limited oil supplies from Iraq, that's already what has happened. It was explained in detail (with internal State Dept. documents!) in the book Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. If the Iraqi output dropped to zero, which it basically already has, it would have scarcely any impact on already high prices. Read here in detail the various documents which show the Iraqi oil exports to be incredibly insignificant compared to Kuwait, Saudi, etc.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/oiltrade.html

What you are hearing from the desperate Republicans is the final admission of oil being a priority to rationalize the Iraqi blunder, after the complete and total failings of :

*It's about WMDS
*It's about freeing the Iraqi people
*It's about fighting terrorists

So now ..

*It's about oil

Well, yes it is! But by sustaining chaos in the region, and by keeping production through the floor, the reserves of the oil & gas companies increase by untold billions of dollars.

Finally, it is widely admitted by the right, blood for oil.

You arent making sense. You already admit what is true:Iraq's oil production compared other OPEC members is very small. Add to that, it was never ever the USA'a intention to "take over" the oil fields.

So it begs the question...how could this have possibly been a war about oil, when it has never been in the equation?

Bush said that Iraq's oil would pay for the war.. so how could it have never been part of the equation?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
They want our troops to come home. Well dont we all?

If they actually go ahead with it then what is going to happen to Iraq? I'll tell you what. It is going to turn int a place where the violence is 5x higher than it is now.

women raped constantly. Mass murders. It will be disaster.

of course on the plus side what goes on inside Iraq does not effect us at all once we are gone.

Not to blame the democrats for an illegal war started by republicians, but I think they need to realize that Bush Fd us all up and we have to stay with his mistake. We cant run from his mistake.

What goes on inside Iraq won't affect us if we leave? I beg to differ. If we leave, then the country will be thrown into chaos, limiting oil supplies resulting in higher prices and allowing Al Qaeda a safe haven to regroup and plan future attacks.

Al Qaeda already has multiple safe havens, most notably and disgustingly the Sudan.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html

The cells there continue to use Sudan as a training ground and playground, but the NeoCons at large totally ignore the Sudan for the most part. Hmm, no oil there.

As far as limited oil supplies from Iraq, that's already what has happened. It was explained in detail (with internal State Dept. documents!) in the book Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. If the Iraqi output dropped to zero, which it basically already has, it would have scarcely any impact on already high prices. Read here in detail the various documents which show the Iraqi oil exports to be incredibly insignificant compared to Kuwait, Saudi, etc.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/oiltrade.html

What you are hearing from the desperate Republicans is the final admission of oil being a priority to rationalize the Iraqi blunder, after the complete and total failings of :

*It's about WMDS
*It's about freeing the Iraqi people
*It's about fighting terrorists

So now ..

*It's about oil

Well, yes it is! But by sustaining chaos in the region, and by keeping production through the floor, the reserves of the oil & gas companies increase by untold billions of dollars.

Finally, it is widely admitted by the right, blood for oil.

You arent making sense. You already admit what is true:Iraq's oil production compared other OPEC members is very small. Add to that, it was never ever the USA'a intention to "take over" the oil fiels.

So it begs the question...how could this have possibly been a war about oil, when it has never been in the equation?

You must read the book 'Armed Madhouse', in which two opposing documents related to Iraqi oil production are exposed and discussed at length.

Essentially, the original Neocon oil plan was to open the Iraqi production capacity full steam ahead in order to crush Opec's control of the market.

The State Dept had reservations about this, and then as the campaign in Iraq got successively nastier, it became clear that ensuring low production caused the prices to skyrocket, which the oil empire just loves. Hence, a new plan trumped the original in order to ensure that Iraqi oil trickles instead of flows.

At one point, a Houston oilman was sent over to help set up the Iraqi national oil system, can't remember his name right now, but he is interviewed in the book, and he is deadpan honest and funny.

It's not near as complicated as it sounds.