Democrats, NOT REPUBLICANS, want higher gas prices

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
You are ridiculous. So you are saying that no one should complain about anything until it actually happens?

I didn't say that, but since you're such a glutton for punishment, I'll say it again. My point was, contrary to the title of your thread, this is is a revenue proposal by ONE Democrat, NOT a push by DemocratS, and YOU'RE BLOWING SMOKE! You can count to one, can't you? :roll:

If you live in Maryland, and it bothers you that much, write him and every other legislator in the state to give them your views.

Did you complain about Bush before he was elected? Did you compain about the Iraq war before it happened?

You're damned straight I did. The problem was, the Bushwackos LIED to Congress, the American people and the world, and the Republican dominated Congress didn't want to exercise due diligence in confirming the facts, rather than following their Idiot In Chief into this mindless war. The complete verse from the song quoted in my sig is:

All the forces of war were compelling,
And blacker than coal in the night (Colin, the Knight),
And the lies they were telling, they sell in the name of their savior.

And they silence the voices arising,
From those who would show us the light,
With their guys with their spies in the skies watching you and your neighbor.

Chorus:

And who's watching over who's watching over you?
Tell me who's telling you what to do what to do?

Give it a listen. You may learn something.

Were you unable to get past the first few lines in my post? I gave 3 different quotes from 3 different Democrats in the state of Maryland that want to raise gas taxes. You can count past one, can't you?

You said, "Cry about it when it actually happens" which implies that someone should wait until something actually happens to complain about it. Well guess what, something is happening, the President of the Maryland Senate and other Maryland DemocratS want to raise the tax on gas.

I'll leave your rant on Republicans and the Iraq war and making excuses for the Democrats that voted for it for another thread.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Wasn't Bob Ehrlich pushing for slot machines to help cover the deficit that the state is running? Plus, didn't he have a taste of money from Jack Ambramoff....

/oh, wait... he did.....

Yes, Ehrlich was pushing for slots, to fully fund Thornton (which the Democrats passed without any funding), but he was opposed by many Democrats who all of the sudden are now for slots *cough* Martin O'Malley *cough*. But Ehrlich still left office with a surplus, correct me if I'm wrong.

I didn't really follow the Jack Ambramoff thing so I have no idea, but what does that have to do with this Democrats wanting to raise the gas tax in Maryland?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I love tax debates without context. Taxes aren't just taken for the sake of taxing someone, it's done toward PAYING for things. This gas tax is apparently going towards highway projects, and as a fellow Maryland resident, I'd say that we could use some more funding in that area. JD50's position here is silly, since he is apparently just against taxes for the sake of being against taxes. What's the argument? That Maryland doesn't need more funding for highways? That the gas tax is too much compared to how much funding we need? That we should just borrow the money for the projects instead of raising it?

This is my problem with the "conservative" position on taxes, their position is that taxes are the end result of the argument, that they exist in a bubble and are good or bad on their own merits, that they don't actually DO anything regardless of how high or low they are. While this explains why Republicans are so fond of spend and borrow policies, it seems pretty silly from an economic standpoint.

I think you are confusing the "conservative" position on taxes and the Republican position of spend and borrow. I am all for cutting spending.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I love tax debates without context. Taxes aren't just taken for the sake of taxing someone, it's done toward PAYING for things. This gas tax is apparently going towards highway projects, and as a fellow Maryland resident, I'd say that we could use some more funding in that area. JD50's position here is silly, since he is apparently just against taxes for the sake of being against taxes. What's the argument? That Maryland doesn't need more funding for highways? That the gas tax is too much compared to how much funding we need? That we should just borrow the money for the projects instead of raising it?

This is my problem with the "conservative" position on taxes, their position is that taxes are the end result of the argument, that they exist in a bubble and are good or bad on their own merits, that they don't actually DO anything regardless of how high or low they are. While this explains why Republicans are so fond of spend and borrow policies, it seems pretty silly from an economic standpoint.

I think you are confusing the "conservative" position on taxes and the Republican position of spend and borrow. I am all for cutting spending.

Fair enough, but that was really my question. You make it sound like you object to the taxes themselves, but what you really care about is the highway projects that necessitate the spending. I really feel too many Republican objections to taxes don't take into account the problem with spending...it's like Republicans like big government just fine, they just don't want to actually PAY for it.

But I'm curious, don't you think Maryland could use more highway funding? We have a rather high density of highways given how large our state is, it seems natural that we'd need to spend a little more to keep all that up.

 

[yllus]

Oh, well, JD50 found out the same info I did much faster. Never mind.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
I'll leave your rant on Republicans and the Iraq war and making excuses for the Democrats that voted for it for another thread.

I don't make excuses for the Democrats that voted for it. They got the same lies the Republicans who voted for it heard. However, it was the Republican majority that had command of every committee and the floors of both houses. It was their responsiblity to allow the discussion and to provide competent oversight of the Bushwhackos, and you know as well as I do, THEY FAILED DISMALLY!. I won't post all the stats of the dead, wounded and disabled. :thumbsdown:

Thanks for proving my point. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

And getting back to your so called topic, your op didn't say anything about your three other Democrats until your fourth post in the thread, and he did NOT say he favored a gas tax. He said "he 'welcomed' the Miller proposal as part of a discussion..."

By your sixth, you finally named a couple more, but by then, your own agenda to throw mud at generic "Democrats" was pretty obvious. :shocked:

And if, by some miniscule chance, you really wanted to rail against the evil gas tax monster, I pointed out that advocating allowing gambling could be a worse alternative burden on the poor, not to mention the additional crime and other problems gambling brings, including addional costs for law enforcement.

There. I've addressed your issues. I still think you're blowing smoke. :laugh:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JD50
Anyways, read the topic summary, it even says, "Maryland Democrat wants to raise our gas tax"

Your attempt at mimicking my Title skills is flattering but you have a looooooong way to go.

At least until the election, practice makes perfect eh? :laugh:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JD50
Anyways, read the topic summary, it even says, "Maryland Democrat wants to raise our gas tax"

Your attempt at mimicking my Title skills is flattering but you have a looooooong way to go.

At least until the election, practice makes perfect eh? :laugh:

Eh, at least I gave it a shot, but I do have some big shoes to fill.

 

[OrByte]

So, a Democrat proposes a gas tax to improve infrastructure. My only beef with that is that they should have proposed a new cigarette tax instead!

You don't like raising taxes, thats fine. But don't try to somehow tie rising gas prices (a completely separate issue) to the idea that its the fault of Maryland's Democrats (a single Democrat at that.) Talk about intellectually dishonest. As illustrated in that other thread (Dave's thread), rising gas prices has a whole lot to do with a WHOLE SLEW of other stuff...not just Maryland's tax issue.

But I know you weren't trying to do that right OP? I think you maybe just goofed on your topic title

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JD50
Anyways, read the topic summary, it even says, "Maryland Democrat wants to raise our gas tax"

Your attempt at mimicking my Title skills is flattering but you have a looooooong way to go.

At least until the election, practice makes perfect eh? :laugh:

Eh, at least I gave it a shot, but I do have some big shoes to fill.

LOL! :beer:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I love tax debates without context. Taxes aren't just taken for the sake of taxing someone, it's done toward PAYING for things. This gas tax is apparently going towards highway projects, and as a fellow Maryland resident, I'd say that we could use some more funding in that area. JD50's position here is silly, since he is apparently just against taxes for the sake of being against taxes. What's the argument? That Maryland doesn't need more funding for highways? That the gas tax is too much compared to how much funding we need? That we should just borrow the money for the projects instead of raising it?

This is my problem with the "conservative" position on taxes, their position is that taxes are the end result of the argument, that they exist in a bubble and are good or bad on their own merits, that they don't actually DO anything regardless of how high or low they are. While this explains why Republicans are so fond of spend and borrow policies, it seems pretty silly from an economic standpoint.

I think you are confusing the "conservative" position on taxes and the Republican position of spend and borrow. I am all for cutting spending.

Fair enough, but that was really my question. You make it sound like you object to the taxes themselves, but what you really care about is the highway projects that necessitate the spending. I really feel too many Republican objections to taxes don't take into account the problem with spending...it's like Republicans like big government just fine, they just don't want to actually PAY for it.

But I'm curious, don't you think Maryland could use more highway funding? We have a rather high density of highways given how large our state is, it seems natural that we'd need to spend a little more to keep all that up.

I do think our roads could use a little work, but I don't see why they couldn't make cuts somewhere else. We do have a high density of highways, and yes, it seems natural that we need to spend more to keep it up. But given that we have a high density of highways, I'd think that we have a high density of travel, meaning more people are filling up at the tank, so our current gas tax should be more than enough.

My problem with using increasing usage of roads, services, etc.. to justify raising taxes is that its a never ending cycle. At some point, you have to stop spending and make cuts, you can't just keep raising taxes to pay for things that you want to do, eventually they will just be too high.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: OrByte
So, a Democrat proposes a gas tax to improve infrastructure. My only beef with that is that they should have proposed a new cigarette tax instead!

You don't like raising taxes, thats fine. But don't try to somehow tie rising gas prices (a completely separate issue) to the idea that its the fault of Maryland's Democrats (a single Democrat at that.) Talk about intellectually dishonest. As illustrated in that other thread (Dave's thread), rising gas prices has a whole lot to do with a WHOLE SLEW of other stuff...not just Maryland's tax issue.

But I know you weren't trying to do that right OP? I think you maybe just goofed on your topic title

I know that its not the fault of the Maryland Democrats for rising gas prices, but its not the fault of Republicans either, as many here claim, which was my point in going over the top. My thread title is factually correct, there are more than just one Democrat in this state that want higher gas taxes. I know that most here are not familiar with Maryland politics, so I probably should have gone into more detail in the OP. Mike Miller (the guy proposing this) is the President of the Maryland Senate, and a very powerful politician in this state. Democrats have a stranglehold on Maryland and are running amok, much like the Republicans did at the Federal level these past few years. Mike Miller usually gets what he wants, and I am regretfully confident that if he really pushes this, that within a years time he will get what he wants.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
I'll leave your rant on Republicans and the Iraq war and making excuses for the Democrats that voted for it for another thread.

I don't make excuses for the Democrats that voted for it. They got the same lies the Republicans who voted for it heard. However, it was the Republican majority that had command of every committee and the floors of both houses. It was their responsiblity to allow the discussion and to provide competent oversight of the Bushwhackos, and you know as well as I do, THEY FAILED DISMALLY!. I won't post all the stats of the dead, wounded and disabled. :thumbsdown:

Thanks for proving my point. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

And getting back to your so called topic, your op didn't say anything about your three other Democrats until your fourth post in the thread, and he did NOT say he favored a gas tax. He said "he 'welcomed' the Miller proposal as part of a discussion..."

By your sixth, you finally named a couple more, but by then, your own agenda to throw mud at generic "Democrats" was pretty obvious. :shocked:

And if, by some miniscule chance, you really wanted to rail against the evil gas tax monster, I pointed out that advocating allowing gambling could be a worse alternative burden on the poor, not to mention the additional crime and other problems gambling brings, including addional costs for law enforcement.

There. I've addressed your issues. I still think you're blowing smoke. :laugh:

First of all, gambling is a choice, paying taxes on gasoline is not a choice. Big, big difference. But I'll leave the gambling debates for another thread.


Yes, you're right, I probably should have included those links in the OP, but that's why you are allowed to make more than one post in a thread. I found those links with one quick google search, I went running and ate dinner in between the time that I posted those links and your post attacking me for saying that more than one Democrat is in favor of increasing the gas tax.

By the way, in one of those links, it says that Martin O'malleys transition team suggested raising the gas tax, now I'm pretty sure that his transition team was not full Republicans. Now, if all Maryland Democrats come out against this then I will admit that I was wrong, but I have already shown you that multiple Democrats are in favor of an increase in the gas tax. You can believe that I am blowing smoke all that you want, but the facts say otherwise.

 

[Zebo]

I agree 100%. Every act of such taxation, by any oil-consumer, helps to lower OPEC's take to fund terror. Not to mention those revenues, called the largest transfer of wealth in human history are used to fund mosques and madrasas and propaganda damgerous to Infidels. Also to buy hundreds of billions of dollars in arms, arms projects, and to employ a vast army of hirelings all over the Western world.

The incredible success of the Saudi's and to a lessor extent such people as James Baker whose Baker Center, just like the Presidential libraries of Bush Senior and Clinton and Carter, all have received major donations from (do I really have to tell you, or can you guess?) to keep taxes off gasoline has stopped incentive to develop alternative energy sources and extensive public transit and the Saudi's set the price just below that threshold.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry---gotta regard this as a troll post as labeled---its a long way from one Maryland democrat wanting to raise gas taxes to all democrats nationwide---shades of Limbaugh---I smell a troll.

Stinks pretty bad too! Go away troll, you stink!

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Where did I lie?

As I said in my previous post that your title says:

• DemocratS... want higher gas prices

So far, exactly ONE Democrat has officially proposed the idea. It may happen, but i's a long way from there to making it through both houses of the Maryland legislature, and the Governor has to sign off on whatever bill is actually passed.

edited for spelling

Now, try editing it for integrity. Cry about it when it actually happens. Piss and moan about it when NO Republicans vote for it. Meanwhile, go home and practice until you have a real issue. :roll:

Why don't you attack the left leaning posters on this board so viciously when they post similar things?

Wait, is that the WAAAAAAAAmbulance I hear coming? :laugh:

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: JD50
Anyways, unless you care to discuss the why Democrats would want to raise the gas tax and hit the poor people here in the state of Maryland the hardest, you are the troll.

I don't know what part of Lemon Law's post you don't understand. One democrat is not representative of all democrats. By your logic all republicans must support Pat Robertson.

DING DING DING. Sometimes things need to be explained slllllooooowly for some to GET IT.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: JD50
Anyways, unless you care to discuss the why Democrats would want to raise the gas tax and hit the poor people here in the state of Maryland the hardest, you are the troll.

I don't know what part of Lemon Law's post you don't understand. One democrat is not representative of all democrats. By your logic all republicans must support Pat Robertson.

DING DING DING. Sometimes things need to be explained slllllooooowly for some to GET IT.

the irony of your post is overwhelming :laugh:

 

[First]

This thread kills kittens.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry---gotta regard this as a troll post as labeled---its a long way from one Maryland democrat wanting to raise gas taxes to all democrats nationwide---shades of Limbaugh---I smell a troll.

look in da mirror bub

Glad I don't live there. I don't like Slots either.

 

[SuperFungus]

Ok i haven't read the whole thread but i do think that a fairly steep gas tax could be a good idea, as long as shipping companies, public transportation, taxis etc, etc are exempt. There might still be a short term economic hit, but i think overall the benifits would outwiegh this loss. We'd encourage greater energy independence and efficiency, put quite a dent in the deficit, and perhaps even encourage a few people to walk to McDonalds and start reining in the obesity 'epidemic'. The long term cut-back in traffic could even possibly correlate to smaller infastructure maintinence costs, and smarter city planning to handle more pedestrians. Of course this is all purely speculative. Just some thoughts.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry---gotta regard this as a troll post as labeled---its a long way from one Maryland democrat wanting to raise gas taxes to all democrats nationwide---shades of Limbaugh---I smell a troll.

Stinks pretty bad too! Go away troll, you stink!

Funny thing, I just looked up the word "ironic" in the dictionary and it linked me right to your post!! Har har har

Corny, I know, but it's late and I'm bored.

Sweeeeeeet! Watching these idiots flail around like possessed rag dolls makes the next several years positively worth it!!!

New Democratic "Plan" for America: Uhhh, wha?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Democrats don't think we are paying enough for gas

ANNAPOLIS -- Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. wants to increase Maryland's sales tax on gasoline by 12 cents a gallon, part of a revenue plan that also includes bringing 15,500 slot machines to the state and cutting government positions.
"There's going to be cuts, there's going to be slots, there's going to be tax increases," Mr. Miller said yesterday. "And it's going to be tough for some people, but they're going to have to suck it up and move forward for the good of the state."


And to top it off, its actually a %4 excise tax, so as gas prices go up, the Democrats get more money. Funny thing is, this hurts the poor more than anyone else, so much for Democrats helping the poor.

Maryland Democrats showing their true colors

The first bill implement a 4% excise tax on wholesale gasoline prices , with the money going towards highway projects

I agree, sales taxes are a bad way to fund a government. High marginal income tax rates are the way to go.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Democrats don't think we are paying enough for gas

ANNAPOLIS -- Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. wants to increase Maryland's sales tax on gasoline by 12 cents a gallon, part of a revenue plan that also includes bringing 15,500 slot machines to the state and cutting government positions.
"There's going to be cuts, there's going to be slots, there's going to be tax increases," Mr. Miller said yesterday. "And it's going to be tough for some people, but they're going to have to suck it up and move forward for the good of the state."


And to top it off, its actually a %4 excise tax, so as gas prices go up, the Democrats get more money. Funny thing is, this hurts the poor more than anyone else, so much for Democrats helping the poor.

Maryland Democrats showing their true colors

The first bill implement a 4% excise tax on wholesale gasoline prices , with the money going towards highway projects

Maybe some Democrats want higher gas prices but not ALL Democrats.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry---gotta regard this as a troll post as labeled---its a long way from one Maryland democrat wanting to raise gas taxes to all democrats nationwide---shades of Limbaugh---I smell a troll.

yeah because the moonbats here never do the reverse.