Democrats, NOT REPUBLICANS, want higher gas prices

[JD50]

Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Democrats don't think we are paying enough for gas

ANNAPOLIS -- Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. wants to increase Maryland's sales tax on gasoline by 12 cents a gallon, part of a revenue plan that also includes bringing 15,500 slot machines to the state and cutting government positions.
"There's going to be cuts, there's going to be slots, there's going to be tax increases," Mr. Miller said yesterday. "And it's going to be tough for some people, but they're going to have to suck it up and move forward for the good of the state."


And to top it off, its actually a %4 excise tax, so as gas prices go up, the Democrats get more money. Funny thing is, this hurts the poor more than anyone else, so much for Democrats helping the poor.

Maryland Democrats showing their true colors

The first bill implement a 4% excise tax on wholesale gasoline prices , with the money going towards highway projects

 

[Lemon law]

Sorry---gotta regard this as a troll post as labeled---its a long way from one Maryland democrat wanting to raise gas taxes to all democrats nationwide---shades of Limbaugh---I smell a troll.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

This is a great idea... seriously.

Here's a question for you...

What were your thoughts on states suspending their gas taxes this past summer?

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry---gotta regard this as a troll post as labeled---its a long way from one Maryland democrat wanting to raise gas taxes to all democrats nationwide---shades of Limbaugh---I smell a troll.

Unfortunately, that's how many of the left-leaning members of this board see politics. This post is nothing that hasn't been seen before.

 

[QuantumPion]

Democrats raised taxes? That's unpossible!

 

[nutxo]

In washington our genius governor raided the gas tax also. One day she announced there was this huge surplus and it was going to be used to give teachers raises, the next day we found out the state was a billion short for highway projects...

 

[Craig234]

Gotta love the sophistication of the right-wing.

"Honey, should I turn the thermostat up or down?"

"I don't know, what's it set at now?"

"What does that matter? You're either for raising or lowering the thermostat!!11!!!"

Where's the content discussing where gas taxes are now, the effects of raising the tax such as reducing dependancy on foreign oil, where the money would go, etc.?

Where's the context how the US has *by far* the lowest gas taxes among western developed nations (as far as I've seen)?

Nowhere.

They're so damned simplistic all they can say is 'lower all taxes always' or 'democrats are always in favor of all tax increases', both lies.

 

[Kwaipie]

I think Gas should be $4 a gallon. Americans would raise a hue and cry against Detroit and the lackadaisical Bush administration WRT fuel economy and our coffers would be full. Check out Norway's economy and long term outlook.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry---gotta regard this as a troll post as labeled---its a long way from one Maryland democrat wanting to raise gas taxes to all democrats nationwide---shades of Limbaugh---I smell a troll.

What?

Yea, its one person that is proposing this in the state of Marland, but I'm almost positive that this will happen. This kind of stuff is posted all day long from the libs here, how is this any different?

Anyways, unless you care to discuss the why Democrats would want to raise the gas tax and hit the poor people here in the state of Maryland the hardest, you are the troll.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Democrats don't think we are paying enough for gas
.
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And to top it off, its actually a %4 excise tax, so as gas prices go up, the Democrats get more money. Funny thing is, this hurts the poor more than anyone else, so much for Democrats helping the poor.

The biggest problem with your alarmist thread title is the word, "DemocratS. The actual first sentence of the article says:

Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. wants to increase Maryland's sales tax on gasoline by 12 cents a gallon, part of a revenue plan that also includes bringing 15,500 slot machines to the state and cutting government positions.

I read the whole article, and you can count all them evil Dem's suggesting the gas tax on ONE finger, and for now, it's just him talking about a proposed tax. In fact, the Governor of the state is opposed to it.

The proposal likely will pit Mr. Miller against Gov. Martin O'Malley, a Democrat who pledged upon taking office in January not to increase taxes or consider slots during his first year.

Nothing has happened, and the only mention of any other Democrat says:

Mr. O'Malley and House Speaker Michael E. Busch, Anne Arundel Democrat, have said it is too early to call for a special session and have asked for more time to evaluate the state's budget crisis.

"It would be a pretty daunting task to put together a resolution to all of this without support of the chief executive of the state of Maryland," Mr. Busch said.

Mr. O'Malley said he was not eager to throw his support behind Mr. Miller's plan.

The state is facing an estimated $5 million budget shortfallm and they have to raise money from somewhere. Your dreaded, evil gas tax is one senator's proposal, nothing more.

The sadder part of the whole story is, they're also considering slot machines. If you really want an unfair tax on the under-educated poor and the mathmatically challenged, gambling is it.

Must be a sad day when you're so hard up for anything positive to say about Republican accomplishments that you have to go dumpster diving for piddley diddley squat like this and then, lie about the actual facts to make... err... FAKE a point. :laugh:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Gotta love the sophistication of the right-wing.

"Honey, should I turn the thermostat up or down?"

"I don't know, what's it set at now?"

"What does that matter? You're either for raising or lowering the thermostat!!11!!!"

Where's the content discussing where gas taxes are now, the effects of raising the tax such as reducing dependancy on foreign oil, where the money would go, etc.?

Where's the context how the US has *by far* the lowest gas taxes among western developed nations (as far as I've seen)?

Nowhere.

They're so damned simplistic all they can say is 'lower all taxes always' or 'democrats are always in favor of all tax increases', both lies.

If you have to ask "Where's the content discussing where gas taxes are now, the effects of raising the tax such as reducing dependancy on foreign oil, where the money would go, etc." then you obviously didn't read the article.

This will raise gas taxes to $.35 a gallon. It is roughly a 50 percent increase in our gas tax.

And, from Baltimore Sun

According to the American Petroleum Institute, Maryland's current gas tax is slightly below the national average, though higher than the rates in Virginia and Delaware. An increase of 12 cents a gallon would give Maryland the fourth-highest rate in the nation, behind New York, California and Connecticut.

If you want content discussing these things, then discuss it.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Democrats don't think we are paying enough for gas
.
.
And to top it off, its actually a %4 excise tax, so as gas prices go up, the Democrats get more money. Funny thing is, this hurts the poor more than anyone else, so much for Democrats helping the poor.

The biggest problem with your alarmist thread title is the word, "DemocratS. The actual first sentence of the article says:

Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. wants to increase Maryland's sales tax on gasoline by 12 cents a gallon, part of a revenue plan that also includes bringing 15,500 slot machines to the state and cutting government positions.

I read the whole article, and you can count all them evil Dem's suggesting the gas tax on ONE finger, and for now, it's just him talking about a proposed tax. In fact, the Governor of the state is opposed to it.

The proposal likely will pit Mr. Miller against Gov. Martin O'Malley, a Democrat who pledged upon taking office in January not to increase taxes or consider slots during his first year.

Nothing has happened, and the only mention of any other Democrat says:

Mr. O'Malley and House Speaker Michael E. Busch, Anne Arundel Democrat, have said it is too early to call for a special session and have asked for more time to evaluate the state's budget crisis.

"It would be a pretty daunting task to put together a resolution to all of this without support of the chief executive of the state of Maryland," Mr. Busch said.

Mr. O'Malley said he was not eager to throw his support behind Mr. Miller's plan.

The state is facing an estimated $5 million budget shortfallm and they have to raise money from somewhere. Your dreaded, evil gas tax is one senator's proposal, nothing more.

The sadder part of the whole story is, they're also considering slot machines. If you really want an unfair tax on the under-educated poor and the mathmatically challenged, gambling is it.

Must be a sad day when you're so hard up for anything positive to say about Republican accomplishments that you have to go dumpster diving for piddley diddley squat like this and then, lie about the actual facts to make... err... FAKE a point. :laugh:

You fail to add, thats hes not just a state senator, but the President of the Maryland Senate. He holds A LOT of political power. He'll likely get his way.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Democrats don't think we are paying enough for gas
.
.
And to top it off, its actually a %4 excise tax, so as gas prices go up, the Democrats get more money. Funny thing is, this hurts the poor more than anyone else, so much for Democrats helping the poor.

The biggest problem with your alarmist thread title is the word, "DemocratS. The actual first sentence of the article says:

Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. wants to increase Maryland's sales tax on gasoline by 12 cents a gallon, part of a revenue plan that also includes bringing 15,500 slot machines to the state and cutting government positions.

I read the whole article, and you can count all them evil Dem's suggesting the gas tax on ONE finger, and for now, it's just him talking about a proposed tax. In fact, the Governor of the state is opposed to it.

The proposal likely will pit Mr. Miller against Gov. Martin O'Malley, a Democrat who pledged upon taking office in January not to increase taxes or consider slots during his first year.

Nothing has happened, and the only mention of any other Democrat says:

Mr. O'Malley and House Speaker Michael E. Busch, Anne Arundel Democrat, have said it is too early to call for a special session and have asked for more time to evaluate the state's budget crisis.

"It would be a pretty daunting task to put together a resolution to all of this without support of the chief executive of the state of Maryland," Mr. Busch said.

Mr. O'Malley said he was not eager to throw his support behind Mr. Miller's plan.

The state is facing an estimated $5 million budget shortfallm and they have to raise money from somewhere. Your dreaded, evil gas tax is one senator's proposal, nothing more.

The sadder part of the whole story is, they're also considering slot machines. If you really want an unfair tax on the under-educated poor and the mathmatically challenged, gambling is it.

Must be a sad day when you're so hard up for anything positive to say about Republican accomplishments that you have to go dumpster diving for piddley diddley squat like this and then, lie about the actual facts to make... err... FAKE a point. :laugh:

Where did I lie?

This will most likely get through, if not, I'll be very very surprised. Mike Miller is a very influental person in the state of Maryland, he usually gets what he wants. BTW, saying that slot machines are a tax on the poor is absolutely insane. You don't HAVE to gamble, its called self control. Most people HAVE to buy gas.

Also, the Governor is not opposed to it, he is just reluctant to raise taxes his first year in office.

"O'Malley did say he "welcomed" the Miller proposal as part of a discussion as to how the state will close a projected $1.5-billion deficit.

The governor in his State of the State Address last month, did refer to a possible tax hike in the future to deal with transportation issues."

edited for spelling

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JD50

This will raise gas taxes to $.35 a gallon. It is roughly a 50 percent increase in our gas tax.

According to the American Petroleum Institute, Maryland's current gas tax is slightly below the national average, though higher than the rates in Virginia and Delaware.

An increase of 12 cents a gallon would give Maryland the fourth-highest rate in the nation, behind New York, California and Connecticut.

Excellent, Maryland is mostly rich city folk and obviously by the OP Republican as well.

Awesome to see Democrats have learned well from the Republican heroes in here :thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JD50
Most people HAVE to buy gas.

Bahahahahaha :laugh: all along you and your fellow resident Republicans have been spouting gasoline is a priviledge and now that this will personally affect "YOUR" pocket all of a sudden "Most people HAVE to buy gas".

The irony and hypocracy is absolutely delicious.

Thanks for the :gift: :thumbsup:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
Where did I lie?

As I said in my previous post that your title says:

• DemocratS... want higher gas prices

So far, exactly ONE Democrat has officially proposed the idea. It may happen, but i's a long way from there to making it through both houses of the Maryland legislature, and the Governor has to sign off on whatever bill is actually passed.

edited for spelling

Now, try editing it for integrity. Cry about it when it actually happens. Piss and moan about it when NO Republicans vote for it. Meanwhile, go home and practice until you have a real issue. :roll:

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Where did I lie?

As I said in my previous post that your title says:

• DemocratS... want higher gas prices

So far, exactly ONE Democrat has officially proposed the idea. It may happen, but i's a long way from there to making it through both houses of the Maryland legislature, and the Governor has to sign off on whatever bill is actually passed.

edited for spelling

Now, try editing it for integrity. Cry about it when it actually happens. Piss and moan about it when NO Republicans vote for it. Meanwhile, go home and practice until you have a real issue. :roll:

Why don't you attack the left leaning posters on this board so viciously when they post similar things?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: jrenz
Why don't you attack the left leaning posters on this board so viciously when they post similar things?

I'm a liberal and proud of it. However, I don't support every issue from that doctrinairy point of view, and I don't mind pointing out errors in other liberals' posts when they're wrong.

The OP was just blowing smoke. The title of his post was an attempt to manufacture a bogus issue with no factual foundation, and I called him on it. If you have a problem with that, it's your problem, not mine.

If you want to attack liberals' posts, including mine, that's your choice. Just keep it real and documented, and you'll get a more direct response from me if I disagree with your point. Prove your point, and I'll post to agree with you.

Cheers. :beer:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Where did I lie?

As I said in my previous post that your title says:

• DemocratS... want higher gas prices

So far, exactly ONE Democrat has officially proposed the idea. It may happen, but i's a long way from there to making it through both houses of the Maryland legislature, and the Governor has to sign off on whatever bill is actually passed.

edited for spelling

Now, try editing it for integrity. Cry about it when it actually happens. Piss and moan about it when NO Republicans vote for it. Meanwhile, go home and practice until you have a real issue. :roll:

You are ridiculous. So you are saying that no one should complain about anything until it actually happens? Did you complain about Bush before he was elected? Did you compain about the Iraq war before it happened?

I am not as blindly partisan as you, so even if Republicans do vote for it, I will still complain about it and blame them. I guess you can't complain about the Iraq war because Democrats voted for it.

Oh, and as for your concern about my comments on DemocratS being in favor of higher gas taxes...

Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett yesterday called for an increase in Maryland's gas tax

O'Malley highlighted the need for more transportation funds in his State of the State speech, and his transition team last week suggested a gas tax increase to help pay for roads and mass transit.

Del. Sheila E. Hixson, the Montgomery County Democrat who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, has proposed a 10-cent-per-gallon increase in the tax

These links may not be in direct reference to Miller's proposal, but it is ample evidence of DemocratS supporting an increase in Maryland gas taxes. I still haven't figured out how Democrats wanting to increase the taxes on gasoline while its the Republicans that are blamed for higher gas prices is a non-issue.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: JD50
Anyways, unless you care to discuss the why Democrats would want to raise the gas tax and hit the poor people here in the state of Maryland the hardest, you are the troll.

I don't know what part of Lemon Law's post you don't understand. One democrat is not representative of all democrats. By your logic all republicans must support Pat Robertson.

 

[UberNeuman]

Wow, this is absolutely insane. Our former Republican governor Bob Ehrlich brought us from a deficit to a surplus, now the Dems get a stranglehold on the state and they just can't control themselves.

Wasn't Bob Ehrlich pushing for slot machines to help cover the deficit that the state is running? Plus, didn't he have a taste of money from Jack Ambramoff....

/oh, wait... he did.....

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: JD50
Oh, and as for your concern about my comments on DemocratS being in favor of higher gas taxes...

Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett yesterday called for an increase in Maryland's gas tax

O'Malley highlighted the need for more transportation funds in his State of the State speech, and his transition team last week suggested a gas tax increase to help pay for roads and mass transit.

Del. Sheila E. Hixson, the Montgomery County Democrat who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, has proposed a 10-cent-per-gallon increase in the tax

These links may not be in direct reference to Miller's proposal, but it is ample evidence of DemocratS supporting an increase in Maryland gas taxes. I still haven't figured out how Democrats wanting to increase the taxes on gasoline while its the Republicans that are blamed for higher gas prices is a non-issue.

Maybe you're missing something. Are most democrats nationwide supporting higher gasoline tax? No.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
You are ridiculous. So you are saying that no one should complain about anything until it actually happens?

I didn't say that, but since you're such a glutton for punishment, I'll say it again. My point was, contrary to the title of your thread, this is is a revenue proposal by ONE Democrat, NOT a push by DemocratS, and YOU'RE BLOWING SMOKE! You can count to one, can't you? :roll:

If you live in Maryland, and it bothers you that much, write him and every other legislator in the state to give them your views.

Did you complain about Bush before he was elected? Did you compain about the Iraq war before it happened?

You're damned straight I did. The problem was, the Bushwackos LIED to Congress, the American people and the world, and the Republican dominated Congress didn't want to exercise due diligence in confirming the facts, rather than following their Idiot In Chief into this mindless war. The complete verse from the song quoted in my sig is:

All the forces of war were compelling,
And blacker than coal in the night (Colin, the Knight),
And the lies they were telling, they sell in the name of their savior.

And they silence the voices arising,
From those who would show us the light,
With their guys with their spies in the skies watching you and your neighbor.

Chorus:

And who's watching over who's watching over you?
Tell me who's telling you what to do what to do?

Give it a listen. You may learn something.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: JD50
Oh, and as for your concern about my comments on DemocratS being in favor of higher gas taxes...

Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett yesterday called for an increase in Maryland's gas tax

O'Malley highlighted the need for more transportation funds in his State of the State speech, and his transition team last week suggested a gas tax increase to help pay for roads and mass transit.

Del. Sheila E. Hixson, the Montgomery County Democrat who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, has proposed a 10-cent-per-gallon increase in the tax

These links may not be in direct reference to Miller's proposal, but it is ample evidence of DemocratS supporting an increase in Maryland gas taxes. I still haven't figured out how Democrats wanting to increase the taxes on gasoline while its the Republicans that are blamed for higher gas prices is a non-issue.

Maybe you're missing something. Are most democrats nationwide supporting higher gasoline tax? No.

Oh, I didn't realize that it had to be a sampling of Democrats from every single state in the country. Anyways, read the topic summary, it even says, "Maryland Democrat wants to raise our gas tax"

 

[Rainsford]

I love tax debates without context. Taxes aren't just taken for the sake of taxing someone, it's done toward PAYING for things. This gas tax is apparently going towards highway projects, and as a fellow Maryland resident, I'd say that we could use some more funding in that area. JD50's position here is silly, since he is apparently just against taxes for the sake of being against taxes. What's the argument? That Maryland doesn't need more funding for highways? That the gas tax is too much compared to how much funding we need? That we should just borrow the money for the projects instead of raising it?

This is my problem with the "conservative" position on taxes, their position is that taxes are the end result of the argument, that they exist in a bubble and are good or bad on their own merits, that they don't actually DO anything regardless of how high or low they are. While this explains why Republicans are so fond of spend and borrow policies, it seems pretty silly from an economic standpoint.