Democrats balk on closing Gitmo. Refuse to provide money to do so.

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
j: I wasn't trying to insult you. It was just an observation. Moving right along...

M: I wasn't insulted. I was just trying to show you that what we call observation can often be something entirely different, a thing called projection. One of the first things any seeker of self knowledge discovers is that what he sees in the world is what he feels about himself, what he projects out there from his own internal reality. A thief always fears people will steal from him, a liar that people are lying, or the hateful and disturbed, well you get the idea.......

I wonder why I only project onto you, then?

Oh well... questions we'll never have answered I guess!

By the way, didn't you call an entire population of people "cowards and assholes", oh, about 10 posts back?

You don't only project onto me. I may be, however, the only person you project onto who has a magic mirror.

And yes, I did just call an entire population of people cowards and assholes. But naturally, among the 330 million or so I did call cowards and assholes, I didn't mean you. You are the one exception to the rule. There are no other exceptions.

However, even if there were, what I said would still be true. As a democracy what we are and how we manifest that is determined by he who gets the majority vote, so if +50% of the people are cowards and assholes, that's how our government will look. This could easily have been grasped by the application of a little logic, that the government we have represents the people and is therefore a reflection of them. But again, no familiarity with mirrors equals no comprehension.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Obama promised us this shit.. He didn't say 'I'm going to close Gitmo. ** If the congress approves.'

I see the miscommunication. Obama was speaking to people who are fluent in English and have intelligence sufficient to understand obvious and therefore unnecessary unspoken implications, so I can see how that left you confused. I know, it's hard having a president not speak down to us as if we were children, but maybe you'll get used to it.

Here's a helpful tip. Every time the president says he's going to do some act, just append (that means add on to the end) "to the extent I am able within my constitutionally prescribed abilities, the separation of powers, and system of checks and balances as drafted by the founding fathers."

The rest of us know that part is ever present but invisible, lurking after every statement the president makes about what he plans to do, but gosh wouldn't it just be a mouthful to have to say that every time! Now with my helpful tip you can also join the conversation. Welcome!

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Obama promised us this shit.. He didn't say 'I'm going to close Gitmo. ** If the congress approves.'

I see the miscommunication. Obama was speaking to people who are fluent in English and have intelligence sufficient to understand obvious and therefore unnecessary unspoken implications, so I can see how that left you confused. I know, it's hard having a president not speak down to us as if we were children, but maybe you'll get used to it.

Here's a helpful tip. Every time the president says he's going to do some act, just append (that means add on to the end) "to the extent I am able within my constitutionally prescribed abilities, the separation of powers, and system of checks and balances as drafted by the founding fathers."

The rest of us know that part is ever present but invisible, lurking after every statement the president makes about what he plans to do, but gosh wouldn't it just be a mouthful to have to say that every time! Now with my helpful tip you can also join the conversation. Welcome!

Sorry, that just doesn't scan and it's really just second-rate political swashbuckling. If you aren't confident you can keep a promise, you shouldn't make it.

This is why politicians are so distrusted. They frequently make promises that are not within their control to keep. This is why Obama was ridiculed by his naysayers so often leading up to the election: he was making promises he couldn't possibly make good on, either due to the realities of the Real World or due to the limitations placed on the Executive Branch, but he knew uttering the words would clear the path to the Whitehouse.

 

[Budmantom]

Barrack Insane Obama proves once again he's a rookie and has no idea what he's doing, as usual no plan just big talk.

 

[Moonbeam]

j: Well, since - by your own logic - you're a clown-like coward and an asshole who doesn't know much, I'm not sure why we're all here having this discussion, so... back on topic?

As far as I am concerned we are having this discussion because, although you may be a coward and an asshole you don't want to be one. That is why I held up a mirror. No monster ever changes until he sees who he is. I know it won't make you happy to discover who you are but it's the only way. You can't begin to value yourself until you realize how worthless you feel. But anybody who tells you that is going to sound like the devil. I'm rather used to that.

 

[Stuxnet]

It's all good moonbeam... we're all projecting, you're not. Blah blah blah. Go bore someone else with your mumblings... the adults are speaking.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Barrack Insane Obama proves once again he's a rookie and has no idea what he's doing, as usual no plan just big talk.

im not sure on that i think he just overestimated the amount of power he actually has.

i think he took what everyone was saying during the election as how it was going to be once he was president.


Though he should have known that NONE of the states would want them and shipping them off to a diffrent country wouldnt work.

he is in a hard position. he said it would be done without a plan and expecting congress to whatever he wants.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Obama promised us this shit.. He didn't say 'I'm going to close Gitmo. ** If the congress approves.'

I see the miscommunication. Obama was speaking to people who are fluent in English and have intelligence sufficient to understand obvious and therefore unnecessary unspoken implications, so I can see how that left you confused. I know, it's hard having a president not speak down to us as if we were children, but maybe you'll get used to it.

Here's a helpful tip. Every time the president says he's going to do some act, just append (that means add on to the end) "to the extent I am able within my constitutionally prescribed abilities, the separation of powers, and system of checks and balances as drafted by the founding fathers."

The rest of us know that part is ever present but invisible, lurking after every statement the president makes about what he plans to do, but gosh wouldn't it just be a mouthful to have to say that every time! Now with my helpful tip you can also join the conversation. Welcome!

Sorry, that just doesn't scan and it's really just second-rate political swashbuckling. If you aren't confident you can keep a promise, you shouldn't make it.

This is why politicians are so distrusted. They frequently make promises that are not within their control to keep. This is why Obama was ridiculed by his naysayers so often leading up to the election: he was making promises he couldn't possibly make good on, either due to the realities of the Real World or due to the limitations placed on the Executive Branch, but he knew uttering the words would clear the path to the Whitehouse.

You need some lessons in the audacity of hope, the power of water to cut rock, the transformation of the chrysalis into the butterfly, the fact that faith can move mountains, etc.

You are again projecting your own sense of the limitations of the real world and your the Executive. What is impossible for you may be easy for others. You have this terrible ego that makes you the measure of all things. Humility is something you need to work on.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
It's all good moonbeam... we're all projecting, you're not. Blah blah blah. Go bore someone else with your mumblings... the adults are speaking.

Yes, I hear them, "DON'T MAKE A WAVE!"

 

[waggy]

you two need to get a room or something.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: waggy
you two need to get a room or something.

Sure, if it has a water bed I can jump on and make jbourne fly out of and crack his head on the ceiling. I love making waves.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: waggy
you two need to get a room or something.

No, I officially walked away from his tripe with my last response to him; I did ask him to return to the topic, but oh well.

Anywho, it appears Obama did make some progress this morning, but he's still stuck. Is there any real significance to MOVING Gitmo? I think we discussed this earlier in the thread, but it might be worth repeating and address: the "stain" was the detainment of prisoners without due process. I'm not done reading the transcript, so I'm not sure if that issue - the REAL issue, in my book - was addressed.

 

[Xellos2099]

The problem remain, they can't be tried in Civilian court room as any evidence is long gone from the battlefield.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: waggy
you two need to get a room or something.

No, I officially walked away from his tripe with my last response to him; I did ask him to return to the topic, but oh well.

Anywho, it appears Obama did make some progress this morning, but he's still stuck. Is there any real significance to MOVING Gitmo? I think we discussed this earlier in the thread, but it might be worth repeating and address: the "stain" was the detainment of prisoners without due process. I'm not done reading the transcript, so I'm not sure if that issue - the REAL issue, in my book - was addressed.

What he means of course is that what he officially claims he walked away from he wanted to reanimate again so he could get in another last word on me of not being on topic. And he tries that ruse even after I told him he could make no real progress on the actual topic without his first gaining some self-understanding which I freely supplied. Isn't it irritating when people make promises they don't keep?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
The problem remain, they can't be tried in Civilian court room as any evidence is long gone from the battlefield.

Yup, we elected cowards and assholes who held these folk without trial and now we pay the price of being trapped in our own shit. Arrest a bunch of bad folk and a bunch of innocent folk and stir them up in a pot, and you will find yourself loathed to let anybody go for fear that some bad dude will come back to haunt you, but that is exactly what our legal system is designed to do. Every person who is accused of a crime and sent to jail is not always guilty of that crime and every person who is deemed innocent really is. We have an imperfect system of laws but we trust the to do the best job we can. Only assholes try to circumvent the laws because they are afraid but that's who we elected.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jbourne77
It's all good moonbeam... we're all projecting, you're not. Blah blah blah. Go bore someone else with your mumblings... the adults are speaking.

Yes, I hear them, "DON'T MAKE A WAVE!"

ROFL!!

 

[Xellos2099]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
The problem remain, they can't be tried in Civilian court room as any evidence is long gone from the battlefield.

Yup, we elected cowards and assholes who held these folk without trial and now we pay the price of being trapped in our own shit. Arrest a bunch of bad folk and a bunch of innocent folk and stir them up in a pot, and you will find yourself loathed to let anybody go for fear that some bad dude will come back to haunt you, but that is exactly what our legal system is designed to do. Every person who is accused of a crime and sent to jail is not always guilty of that crime and every person who is deemed innocent really is. We have an imperfect system of laws but we trust the to do the best job we can. Only assholes try to circumvent the laws because they are afraid but that's who we elected.

Are you saying we are better off killing them on the spot when they were captured? They are guilty as hell but we can;t prove it with evidence is on some foreign country bury under sand.

Why do you think EVEN democrat are againist moving those terrorist into USA?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
The problem remain, they can't be tried in Civilian court room as any evidence is long gone from the battlefield.

Yup, we elected cowards and assholes who held these folk without trial and now we pay the price of being trapped in our own shit. Arrest a bunch of bad folk and a bunch of innocent folk and stir them up in a pot, and you will find yourself loathed to let anybody go for fear that some bad dude will come back to haunt you, but that is exactly what our legal system is designed to do. Every person who is accused of a crime and sent to jail is not always guilty of that crime and every person who is deemed innocent really is. We have an imperfect system of laws but we trust the to do the best job we can. Only assholes try to circumvent the laws because they are afraid but that's who we elected.

Are you saying we are better off killing them on the spot when they were captured? They are guilty as hell but we can;t prove it with evidence is on some foreign country bury under sand.

Why do you think EVEN democrat are againist moving those terrorist into USA?

Don't feed the troll! Have we taught you nothing!

 

[BoberFett]

Can't really pin this on Obama. It is good to see him disagree with the Democrats, at least that means that he's not goosestepping straight down the party line.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Don't feed the troll! Have we taught you nothing!

Yes, you taught us how to ignore reality when you have been owned by Moonbeam.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Don't feed the troll! Have we taught you nothing!

Yes, you taught us how to ignore reality when you have been owned by Moonbeam.

This coming from a guy who reacts and THEN asks for clarification? You're doing it wrong.

Moonbeam needs to construct a coherent thought before another party can be owned by it.

Silly rabbit.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Don't feed the troll! Have we taught you nothing!

Yes, you taught us how to ignore reality when you have been owned by Moonbeam.

This coming from a guy who reacts and THEN asks for clarification? You're doing it wrong.

Moonbeam needs to construct a coherent thought before another party can be owned by it.

Silly rabbit.

You're in denial, not that I'm surprised. Just letting you know.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Don't feed the troll! Have we taught you nothing!

Yes, you taught us how to ignore reality when you have been owned by Moonbeam.

This coming from a guy who reacts and THEN asks for clarification? You're doing it wrong.

Moonbeam needs to construct a coherent thought before another party can be owned by it.

Silly rabbit.

You're in denial, not that I'm surprised. Just letting you know.

More flame, no substance. This is starting to become a pattern for you. Tell ya what... if you ever want to discuss something rationally like a grown adult, let me know. Otherwise, enjoy the one-way conversation.

Some people are really bent on derailing this thread. Hmm.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: chucky2
I love it when you go off your meds...almost as much as I like it when Macro posts, sometimes more depending on the mood I'm in.

You sorta remind me of Maddox, except less sane. Refreshing! :thumbsup:

Chuck

Personally, I think it is kinda hard to tell if he posts when he is on his meds or not....he thinks he is trying to be intellectual and all, but in the end, he is just a babbling fool...

... and a very disturbed, hateful one at that.

You remind me of a story about a man taken to hell and offered a choice to spend eternity behind one of three closed doors. Behind one he could hear people screaming, behind the next the sounds of weeping and wailing, and behind the one he picked voices yelling, "DON'T MAKE A WAVE". Behind that door, as he soon discovered were millions of people standing up to their necks in shit.

I heard just the same sort of comments you three clowns make when the good ship Moonbeam sailed through that room.

I for one find it amuzing that you call the rubber ducky they give you during your baths 'USS Moonbeam'. Do you drive through the suds with it making motorboat sounds, or does it just aimlessly float there, alone...or does it just depend on the med level for the day?

I wish you a happily medicated day.....

Chuck

bbbbrrrr..putt...putt...putt...brrrrrr <Moonie, don't splash, you're getting water everywhere! Oh no, you peed in it again?!?!?>

Fixed that for you.... :thumbsup:

Chuck

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
The problem remain, they can't be tried in Civilian court room as any evidence is long gone from the battlefield.

Yup, we elected cowards and assholes who held these folk without trial and now we pay the price of being trapped in our own shit. Arrest a bunch of bad folk and a bunch of innocent folk and stir them up in a pot, and you will find yourself loathed to let anybody go for fear that some bad dude will come back to haunt you, but that is exactly what our legal system is designed to do. Every person who is accused of a crime and sent to jail is not always guilty of that crime and every person who is deemed innocent really is. We have an imperfect system of laws but we trust the to do the best job we can. Only assholes try to circumvent the laws because they are afraid but that's who we elected.

Are you saying we are better off killing them on the spot when they were captured? They are guilty as hell but we can;t prove it with evidence is on some foreign country bury under sand.

Why do you think EVEN democrat are againist moving those terrorist into USA?

Please ask me what I intend if you have a question. Don't try to invent what you think I must have said. In doing so you confign yourself only to what you can imagine rather than what I may have intended, no? You appear only to want to bias the argument so that it appears to favor you. Now:

What I meant is that a person is only guilty of a crime in the eyes of the rest of us if he is tried and convicted, so that all these folk whom you in your hopeless arrogance and fear characterize as guilty as hell are no more guilty than you are. No they are innocent until proven guilty, no ifs ands or buts. That is how we maintain the freedom of men in a Constitutional society based on the notion of individual liberty. You do not get to claim that people are guilty and should be convicted because evidence got buried in the sand. What evidence. Prove to me such evidence is there because I will assume have to assume the evidence is up your ass and that you will have to be cut open to get to it.

So what I am saying is that instead of locking these people away for years and years with no chance for a trial, they should have been put into the justice system when they were captured when any real evidence could have been examined and if none existed they could have been set free. That is how we operate and hold our heads high enough to call it justice. The unAmerican cowardly swine who put these people in limbo did so because they have no trust in or use for justice. They are traitors and swine, filthy worthless cowards.