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AndrewR

Lifer
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Fact #3: It is blatant and horrendous hypocrisy for a politician to rant and rave against an industry while his wife is contributing money for them to continue those practices which he denounces and from which he profits.

Yellow dogs are so cute, aren't they?

Fact #4: None of the articles mentioned were from "conservative media", and none had an editorial slant one way or the other. It is a FACT that Gore/Lieberman courted Hollywood and softened their tone at a fund raiser. It is a FACT that Lieberman (and Gore to a lesser extent) has been an outspoken critic of Hollywood, and there are statements on record at the Senate to that effect. It is a FACT that Lieberman's wife has invested in Hollywood companies. Exactly how are those facts pertinent to the political slant of the reporting entity/person?

Lieberman concerns me. There were two other issues which he did a complete 180 on once he was nominated for VP candidate (someone refresh my memory -- what were they? vouchers maybe?). Here's another. There's compromise and then there's a lack of principle. I think we're seeing which attribute Lieberman holds.

It is a well known and common fact that Hollywood is undeniably liberal with some notable exceptions (Charlton Heston for one, Ronald Reagan for another!). To my knowledge, Hollywood does not commonly court Republican candidates with fund raisers, attendance at rallies, etc., though the practice is quite common with Democrats. Every Democratic presidential candidate enjoys high profile support in Hollywood. Yes, they might be giving money quietly to the Republicans to stem the negativity that would come from only supporting Democrats (and to hedge their bets on the winner) -- any lobbyist does that.

However, the FACT that Gore/Lieberman could change their stance so quickly from one WEEK to another is amazing. That is not subject to conjecture -- it is plainly and simply the juxtaposition of quotations and facts.
 

jjm

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AndrewR -

And I suppose Jr Bush's recent "slogan of the week" campaign is the same thing?

They are all hypocrites.

As for your concern over money raising issues, the FACT is that Jr Bush & Co have raised a lot more than the Dems. If money corrupts (to rely on the logical extension of your arguments), then I suppose we have to assume that a President Jr Bush should be expected to be more sympathetic to special interests than all the other candidates combined!
 

Russ

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Tripleshot,



<< but GW has been governor long enough to do something about it >>



He's been in office five years. Hardly enough time to have much of an impact on ANYTHING, particularly something as complicated as alleged pollution.



<< I can appreciate you rooting for your party affiliation,but this guy is a fvck up >>



Exactly what party affiliation would that be? Please fill me in, I'd like to know.

searcher,



<< Can you back up your statement? &quot;He didn't sell his Occidental, he put it in to a trust.&quot; >>



Do a little research beyond the pages of one of the most liberal rags in the country, and you will be enlightened.

Russ, NCNE
 

Tripleshot

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Russ,

<<He's been in office five years. Hardly enough time to have much of an impact on ANYTHING, particularly something as complicated as alleged pollution.>>

You are an apoligist for this loon and exempt him from &quot;alledged&quot; pollution? What are you smoking Russ? There is no alledged about it. You can't hardly breath the air in Houston. I have been there many,many times. I have picked up and delievered product to those smoke stack chemical spewing companies.

Bush has no envirnmental policy at all because that is a &quot;Liberal&quot; issue and would most certainly impact his bank account.And he doesn't want his name tied to any liberal policy lest his croneys withdraw support for his lame run for the Presidency.


<<Exactly what party affiliation would that be? Please fill me in, I'd like to know.>>

I presume you are not a tree hugging liberal democrat,even though you choose to live amongst some of the best forests in the country,so a mindless republican sheeple?Am I close? ;) Why don't you fill us in?
 

I'm Typing

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Andrew: MSNBC is one of the most rabid right wing media outlets ever. That is first. Second, if you beleive everything you see on tv is a FACT, then you have a lot to learn about how politics affects journalism.



<< Fact #3: It is blatant and horrendous hypocrisy for a politician to rant and rave against an industry while his wife is contributing money for them to
continue those practices which he denounces and from which he profits.

Yellow dogs are so cute, aren't they?

Fact #4: None of the articles mentioned were from &quot;conservative media&quot;, and none had an editorial slant one way or the other. It is a FACT that
Gore/Lieberman courted Hollywood and softened their tone at a fund raiser. It is a FACT that Lieberman (and Gore to a lesser extent) has been
an outspoken critic of Hollywood, and there are statements on record at the Senate to that effect. It is a FACT that Lieberman's wife has invested
in Hollywood companies. Exactly how are those facts pertinent to the political slant of the reporting entity/person?
>>



Again you show your complete ignorance when it comes to politics. Politicians speak out of both sides of their mouths, sometimes on the same day, depending upon the audience. To say that the dems do it without realizing that the repubs do it just as much is sheer stupidity.

Every major and most minor media outlets are run by right wing conservatives. If you think this does not show in the product they produce, you are ignorant about the media as well.

I urge everyone with the ability to look at numbers to check out this web site:
A study of Media and the Presidential Race
It details how the media portrays Bush in a positive role, and Gore in a negative light. It has covered all the major media outlets in this country since January, and offers an unbiased look at the so-called &quot;Liberal media.&quot; And before you right wing jackasses start criticizing the source, this is run by a well-known CONSERVATIVE think tank.
Liberal media, my ass.
 

PistachioByAzul

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Tripleshot

Oil and tobacco money lines a hell of alot of...BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Why don't you stop blabbering and respond to the issue. Why is it ok for Gore to have oil investments, but not ok for GW?
 

Tripleshot

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I'm Typing

That is a very informative link.I'm amazed.I can't think of how many times I have heard the mantra of the forlorned republican blaming the &quot;liberal&quot; media when thier candidates get in trouble.They did it with Bush senior,Dole and every local and state race I have seen for the last 15 years. You have done the readers of this forum a good service providing that link.
Thank you.
 

Tripleshot

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EngineNr9

You got your response.You apperently didn't like the answer. Too fvcking bad, turkey. I have listened to your blabber and will probably continue to do so,since you can't support your position with anything that really matters anyway, and is just a repeat of Rush Limburger and Olly boy.You are the sheeple I refer too.
 

searcher

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Russ:

searcher asked:

<< Can you back up your statement? &quot;He didn't sell his Occidental, he put it in to a trust.&quot; >>


Russ replied:

<< Do a little research beyond the pages of one of the most liberal rags in the country, and you will be enlightened. >>


So, is that a no?



EngineNr9:

No one has produced any evidence that Gore has any oil holdings, I gave you and Russ the opening and you have both declined, heh.



Sept. 11th issue Newsweek: pg 57 Bush Throws A Hail Mary Pass referring to Gore,

&quot;This is a guy who sold all of his stocks when he entered Congress because he thinks it's an inherent conflict of interest for legislators to vote on bills that affect their portfolios&quot;



Russ:



<< If Newsweek said that, they're feeding you a nice, steamy pile of dung. >>

Here's my nice, steamy pile of dung, where's yours?

Michael
 

Moonbeam

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Fact The Republican party is for the middle class. HAHAHAHAHA! Now there's a deception.

Yup, it's ok to give a nickle to the 50 thousand dollar people, if, mind you, IF they can bive 50,000 to the top 1%. Yea yea, I know, they pay the taxes, why shouldn't they get the most back.

The middle class people that Bush shows as not benefiting from Gore's plan have to be carefully picked from a rare group of 50,000 dollar earners. The vast majority of that group are better off under Gore.

My opinion is that those people in the top 1 or 2 percent have the ware with all to buy the way you think. At least you conservatives come at a high price, but you're worth it because they own most everything and we get the tasty crums.
 

I'm Typing

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Tripleshot: Thanks! I have started a whole new thread based on that link. Quite frankly, when I saw the source, I thought &quot;Oh, crap, here we go again with the conservative lies.&quot; It was refreshing to see vindication in a scientific survey.
 

KingHam

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searcher,

As Russ said it's not too hard to find information on Gore and Occidental Petroleum. Here's a pretty good article on it.

KingHam
 

brandc

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Interesting, Kingham. Isn't Armand Hammer the big oil magnate that was buddy-buddy with Josef Stalin?
 

chess9

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With all due respect to my esteemed colleagues, TripleShot and Russ, our air pollution is substantially related to our overindulgence in automobiles. Americans outside of the major cities will not use mass transportation, bikes or other non-polluting forms of transportation.

Texas does have a very permissive &quot;climate&quot; regarding other forms of pollution, but things have been that way in Texas forever. You can only blame it on the voters who let big business get away with murder and won't take the hard steps to reduce auto pollution.

Did Houston ever get a zoning code? The last time I was there I attended a church next to a strip joint. Texas is a Libertarian's dream.
 

Tripleshot

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KingHam

So what? The man has the same ties to oil as Bush does.I never disputed that.I would dearly love to have some of that oil money myself,especially since many of us are now paying upwards of $2.00 a gallon for gas. It's a good time to own stock in oil companies (even if it is breaking the bank for middle class americans who need to fill there tanks to get to there jobs).

From the same ragVote for Gore

One must consider the source when reading any of this.
 

searcher

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Kingham:

<< Activists have also picketed the offices of Fidelity Investments, which owns about 8 percent of Occidental's shares, and criticized Vice President Al Gore, whose family owns at least a quarter of a million dollars' worth of Occidental stock. >>

<< At the time of his death in 1998, Gore the elder's estate included hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of Occidental stock. The Vice President is the executor of the estate, which still includes the stock and whose chief beneficiary is his mother.>>


<< Quinn says that the Vice President &quot;has not made a decision proactively himself to make investments.&quot;>>



Sorry, don't see anything here that says Al Gore Jr. owns any oil stock. Did I miss something? Do you have control over the stock purchases of your parents?

Michael

 

Moonbeam

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I just hate it when I have to recommend the stupid government do anything, but wouldn't it be nice if we had to prepare to fight a war without oil and spent some billions of dollars in researching energy renuable weapons like solar powered tanks or hemp rockets and corn bombs and polution free fusion generators subs, and then spinn of the technology to the private sector like the internet. Or we could just cut out the middle man and have a department of National Survival develope convenient mass trans and electric etc cars directly. What the F is the problem about spending tax payer's money on the future. Is it because you would rather spend it now on yourself than for your children?
 

searcher

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Hemp Rockets, whole new meaning to &quot;takin' a hit&quot; ;)

One cool vapor trail, I bet.

Michael
 

Tripleshot

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Moonbeam

I believe you are speaking about the responsibilty of the government to partner with private industry to develop and bring to market(I hope on a fast track)energy alternatives to a dependency on a non replenishable resource.
God Gawd man! Are you some pinko commie flaming liberal? That sounds way to much like Albert Gore Jr.

I think the new hybrid honda is a good start. And some more wind driven electricity? We have lots of open space in Nevada and Utah and Arizona for windmills.Enough to supply electricity to the whole planet, I bet!LOL;)

How about some de-salination plants off shore to provide potable water for human consumption? We could pipe it to all those coastal cities and the innner continent cities could stretch the ground water resource further.

My Gosh,do you think it's time technology be put to work for human beings rather than science fiction stories.



I certainly hope so.
 

Russ

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Kingham,

You shouldn't make it so easy for the uninformed; they will never learn to think for themselves.

Tripleshot,



<< I have picked up and delievered product to those smoke stack chemical spewing companies. >>



Companies that existed decades before Bush was elected. Again, nice try. Fact is, you can't pin a fifty year problem on a five year Governor no matter how desperately you'd like to be able to.



<< so a mindless republican sheeple? >>



Wrong again. I am not now, or have I ever been a registered Republican. In the primary election we just had less than half of my votes went to Republicans. Apparently, since you slavishly adhere to a narrow ideology, you mistakenly assume that everyone does. You really should try and get your facts straight.

Russ, NCNE
 

Russ

Lifer
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brandc,

Yes, Hammer was a major exporter to the USSR before anyone else was allowed in.

Russ, NCNE
 

searcher

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<< Fact is, you can't pin a fifty year problem on a five year Governor no matter how desperately you'd like to be able to. >>

Fact is, he is responsible for five years worth.

Michael
 

KingHam

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searcher,

You'll notice that it says &quot;chief beneficiary&quot; not sole beneficiary.



<< Do you have control over the stock purchases of your parents? >>



If I was executor of their trust fund I sure as hell would.

KingHam
 

Tripleshot

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Russ


Oh yes I try to get my facts straight.I just needed to prod you a bit to see if you would buy into the republican lie.It seems you think it's only half a lie.;)

Yep,He gets the blame for doing nothing.He has had plenty of time to do the right thing,and it is much easier at the state level to get things done than the federal level if you believe the mantra of the republican platform. Of course most of us know that mantra is false B.S. and will be part of the reason Bush will lose the election. There is a time and a place for Federal intervention and Houston is one of them(along with Ford/Firestone and ADM).