Democratic hypocrites pandering for money and support

[searcher]

Let's recap:

EngineNr9 said: {Gore}"has millions invested in the oil industry"?

I said:

"I just read in Newsweek that he sold all his stock holdings when he entered Congress because he felt it would be a conflict of interest."

EngineNr9 admits he can't back it up.

Russ says:"If Newsweek said that, they're feeding you a nice, steamy pile of dung. He didn't sell his Occidental, he put it in to a trust."

Russ makes feeble attempt to claim being "above" having to back up his statements.

Kingham finds link that says nothing about Al Gore, the Vice-President, owning any shares of oil stock or having ever owned any, for that matter. Nor does it say anything about the Vice-President putting anything into a trust. In fact, this article that apparently proves that Newsweek is feeding me a nice, steaming pile of dung says absolutely nothing about what Al Gore did when he entered Congress.

Russ now dismisses me, confident that I have been enlightened.

Walking away, shaking my head.

Michael

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I feel sorry for people that get their news from tabloid magazines like Newsweek. You're just a pawn in their game.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe the real issue on bush and gore on the environment is that bush wants to dialog with industry to shape them up, work with them, you know, for reasonable (not to expensive) improvement, where as gore will shoot for stricter and perhaps more costly regulations. Now depending on how you view this, your opinion on which is better can vary. But just suppose for a mu=inute that the issue was dialoging with clinton to get him to knock off the extramarital sex or regulating his behavior. So much depends on your underlying prejudices.

 

[glenn1]

Tripleshot...

Sorry dude, but i'm going to need to body slam you here. I don't have a problem with your politics, but if you're going to make statements, please take the time and trouble to see that they at least have some basis in fact.

Statement: "We sure can see how good of a Gov Bush has been. The feds are about to bitchslap Houston for not taking care of the pollution down there. It's so bad,its causing brain damage in children that have to breath that stuff. Yep,thats the kinda guy I want running my country.Hell with the health of the children,we got to have those chemical plants and oil refineries working overtime to line our republikan pockets with all those profits.

Fact: Pollution in Texas has been cut by about 47% in Texas since 1988, about the same as the national average. Which is even more impressive in light of the fact that manufacturing activity in Texas increased 69% during the same period.

Statment: "Nice try Russ,but GW has been governor long enough to do something about it.But he didn't,and I would surmise that it wasn't to his politcal or financial interest to clean it up."

Fact: From 1995 to 1998, Texas led the nation with a reduction of total TRI releases of 43 million pounds at the same time manufacturing activity in Texas increased 30 percent.

Statement: "Bush has no envirnmental policy at all because that is a "Liberal" issue and would most certainly impact his bank account.And he doesn't want his name tied to any liberal policy lest his croneys withdraw support for his lame run for the Presidency"

Fact:Bush last year supported legislation requiring most Texas power plants to reduce nitrogen-oxide emissions by 50 percent and acid-rain compounds by 25 percent -- greater reductions than are required by most other states. The main credit for this bill goes to a state representative named Steve Wolens, who originated the idea, but Bush backed the measure.

If anyone out there doubts any of the facts i've presented, i direct you to the following URLs:

EPA homepage: Toxic Release Inventory Data
Houston area TRI monitoring site historical data readings
Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission

 

[BoberFett]

Nice beatdown glenn1. I guess they're too busy picking themselves from the ground and licking their wounds that they can't respond.

 

[chess9]

Glenn1:

Did you see this link? How reliable do you suppose data is that is self-reported? My guess, is that TRIs are at least twice those reported, and probably much greater. The problem is a very serious one that really isn't getting much better. Ask the people who live in Houston, L.A., upper N.J., etc. Cleveland and Pittsburgh have done a good job in the past, but some of the warmer climates are having serious difficulties because they also are the areas where mass transit is less likely to be found and where growth is occuring at very high rates.

EPA GIVITH AND EPA TAKETH AWAY

 

[BoberFett]

Nevermind, it's like talking to a wall.

 

[jjm]

Geez, Bober, lighten up. Why do you insult people when their facts turn out to be equally as good as the facts you like seeing reported? Your reaction is too myopic.

Neither candidate can be trusted to actually do what he says. The voting public knows that. If you are upset that Jr Bush has slipped, then so be it. But I think he has slipped on his own poor strategy, not on anything that Gore & Co have done.

 

[BoberFett]

<< Your reaction is too myopic >>

Pot, I'd like you to meet Kettle.

 

[chess9]

BF:

I thought you were a died-in-the-wool disbeliever in government?

Why would you believe any of these numbers? A scientist would keel over at the thought of anyone doing anything serious with them. Frankly, I think the American public is being fed a bunch of pap. We need real data and real change if anyone, Republican or Democrat, is going to deal effectively with these problems. The same people who brought you Firestone Tires, bring you a lot of this pollution. And the State governments have been the worst about letting polluters destroy our environment. Texas should not be singled out because Florida, Ohio, Michigan, California, Massachusetts, N.Y., N.J., all have serious problems which have been all but ignored. We are using and abusing our children's air, water, and other resources.

 

[chess9]

JJM:

CNN says Gore has a 10 point lead. If those numbers are solid (CNN is pretty liberal so I'd guess they are soft), the Congress could very well go Democratic as well. All of this lost because the Republicans were afraid of a real man-John McCain. I believe he was the &quot;man of the hour&quot; and would have won decisively.

Just my two farthing's worth.

 

[BoberFett]

Give me anarchy or give me death...
- BoberFett

You're right, I don't believe any of these numbers or studies. That is why it's quite annoying to see them thrown back and forth as evidence that one candidate is better than another. They're all self-serving egomaniacs who would serve this country better if their job involved scooping monkey sh!t from the bottom of the cages at the zoo rather than telling me how to live my life.

I need to quit opening these threads. :|

Oh, and as far as the environment, first come first serve, IMO.

 

[jjm]

Okay, Bober, I'll bite.

How do my comments, taken in total, not just conveniently targeted snippets, demonstrate anything close to the single-mindedness demonstrated by your posts in this thread? I think I have offered criticism aimed at both of the major candidates. But it is clear that I have less faith in Jr Bush than I have in Gore. I reject your untrue implication that my view is anywhere near as myopic as your posts demonstrate.

If you are simply going to resort to what appears to be frustrated childishness, do you think people will attempt to respond to you reasonably?

 

[Raspewtin]

<< I believe he [McCain] was the &quot;man of the hour&quot; and would have won decisively. >>



I think you are right. McCain would have won comfortably IMO. It seems the Republicans played it safe and will get hurt as a result. The Republican primary election system is flawed, b/c one of McCain's greatest strength was his ability to woo Democrats and Independents, a strength not measured in many primaries since they are limited to registered Republicans. The ones that are mixed and opened to all do not have the same weight as those traditional kind yet.

 

[Tripleshot]

Raspewtin

I agree. I would have voted for McCain in a minute,but all that oil money pumped into the Bush machine beat McCain down.Too bad. Everytime a person puts gas in his car,I hope he thinks of Bush/Cheney and the soft money contributers that fuel the republican machine.It isn't in there interest to increase production. They know the the laws of supply and demand and they control both. Profits are up over 138% on sales of gas and oil and production is down in comparison to last year.(I believe I saw that on one of the news shows I watched before I dosed off last night).

BF, Others have put you in your place. I need not even respond to you.
Your states voting record is a joke. A WWF wrestler for a Gov who entered the race on a lark? He's been laughing at you people from the git go. HE knows you don't minnisotans don't take politics seriously anyways.(BTW,I like Jesse as a person.It takes guts to pull of what he did.He just needs a 4th party now.His 3rd party disintegrated when that ass Bucchanin switched parties and envaded Perotland)

Glenn1

My facts are from news reports that the Feds are ready to take action in Houston because of the states failure to control pollution levels and the terrifing harm it is doing to the people and children who must breath the polluted air there. That is under Bush's watch. He is accountable.Russ states those plants have been around for 50 years.True,True. That doesn't mean sh!t. If it is a problem now---FIX IT! Bush should take the lead,but that is against his interests and he does not want to anger his financial supporters.Heavon forbid a REP being an environmentalist.Thats liberal territory.
Links to state records and a speach Bush gives that he &quot;supports&quot; 50% cuts in NOX levels and 25% cuts in &quot;Acid Rain Compounds&quot; is just political reteric.All talk,no action. And it was more than likely prompted by threats from the Fed to clean up pollution and is just his response. Bush,as I said,is not going to take on the polluters who feed his bank account.That would be politcal suicide.

 

[BoberFett]

Who put me in my place? It must have been so subtle that I didn't even notice.

And where do you get off disparaging MN? You're from UT, which is nothing to be proud of. Oh wait, you did give us the Osmonds.

 

[Tripleshot]

BoberFett
And Steve Young


You do have great fishing lakes,and misquitos large enough to BBQ!









Don't take things sooo seriously. I don't.

 

[BoberFett]

I usually don't Tripleshot, I'm just in a ah heck of a mood today. When when I'm attacked out of nowhere I get a bit defensive.

 

[BoberFett]

jjm

If you'd like a view of your own myopia, just do a search on your handle in Off Topic and check out some of the political threads. It doesn't appear to me that you're an unbiased observer, in fact you've even started several pro-Dem/anti-Rep threads.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< We need real data and real change if anyone, Republican or Democrat, is going to deal effectively with these problems. >>

chess9,

You are choice-limited. No republicrat will offer real change. In a way I admire your mind-soul-body approach to trusting government, even if it is dangerous. You come from a different era than I. I'd implicitly trust them too, but they prove their incompetence on a daily basis. The only &quot;real change&quot; you speak of will come from independents or a new party.

<< Your states voting record is a joke. A WWF wrestler for a Gov who entered the race on a lark? >>

Tripleshot,

Minnestoa ann Maine both have independent leadership and both states have enjoyed incredible voter turnout in recent years. How's your state doing?

 

[jjm]

Bober - CAN YOU READ?

I just blatantly re-stated my bias in the post above. Where did I ever state or even imply that I am unbiased? Even with my bias, I assert that I have offered criticism of both major candidates (more heavily leaning against Republicans and Jr Bush). Your posts, in this thread anyway, have digressed into whining about anyone who disagrees with your political leanings. What purpose does that serve?

Come on, you can't really be one of those simple-minded people who just blindly accepts political party propaganda. That's the way your posts here make you appear.

 

[Tripleshot]

JellyBaby

This is the most republican state in the union.Well kown fact,If the LDS church endorses a candidate,the state in mass votes that way.Dems don't even bother coming here.It is a waste of time and resource.

Great lead for another rant.

Why do we still have the friggin electoral collge? If we used the popular vote,at least my vote would count in this conservitive bastion of sheeple who claim to have &quot;free agency&quot;.<<<gag>>>:|

 

[I'm Typing]

EnginR9: I am sure that reliable sources like Rush is where you get your information. Stay ignorant. It suits you.

Raspewtin: McCain could never get the nomination, because he could not be controlled by the RNC puppet Masters. Look who the last four candidates have been: Raygun, Bush, Dole, Bush. None of them would ever step out of line when it comes to the way conservatives want the country to be run...which is why they were nominated. If the Dems had not thrown a bone to Dukakis, we might have had Dems in the white house for the last 12 years. The American people know a marionette when they see one. Which is why Bush will not win.

Chess9: How easy it is not to believe the polls...gives you comfort at night, doesn't it? You assume that people are either not being honest or the poll takers are somehow skewing the results. A lot of MSNBC polls come from MSNBC viewers--a largely rich, white, conservative bunch. Of course Republicans are going to do well in that kind of atmosphere. Gallup polls, or the ones run by major news networks, place random calls to people, ask if they are likely to vote, and then ask for whom are they voting. And in those polls, bushlite gets his ass kicked.

Another FACT: Not a single person behind in the polls at labor day has one a presidential election. And we all know who was bringing up the rear that week...the same guy who is behind now.

 

[BoberFett]

jjm

If you limit yourself to my one or two posts in this thread, then I might be able see where you're coming from. Maybe but not likely, I'm still not sure what exactly prompted you to go after me. Perhaps since you had nothing with which to combat the other side in this thread you felt it necessary to attack me personally.

 

[chess9]

I'MTyping:

I was pretty young when Truman beat Dewey, BUT Truman beat Dewey! These polls are only a very rough indicator of where some members of the public are today. Also, the sample sizes are usually very small. It's too soon to start assuming the election is in the bag. We have about 6 weeks left. Plenty of time for someone to goof up big time. And it will probably be GWB who blows it.

I'm going to vote for Gore, just in case you forgot, because Bush is nothing but another playboy like Clinton, only half as smart. If McCain had been nominated I would have voted for him because campaign finance reform is a big issue with me. Also, I like someone who has the b*lls to speak his mind.