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HomerJS

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ondma said:
I'll believe that when I see it. More tax credits for low income earners and for people to have kids, perhaps. But an across the board tax cut for the middle class??? Not gonna happen.
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You won't have to do anything. The Trump tax cuts are set to expire in 2025. Just extend them for everyone making <250K or thereabouts.
 
nakedfrog

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Muse said:
My favorite part was her embracing the persona, Kamala Harris for the People, explaining that she intends to continue what she started as a prosecutor as chief executive.
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"For the People"? Sounds like MARXIST talk to me!!!

/s but that's what I expect the redhats will take from it
fskimospy said:
Well nothing at all would certainly be better than the middle class tax hike Trump gave us in 2017.
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That's sort of what I'd maybe expect, reverting that to what it was prior.
Pretty sure my partner's Republican parents either never connected the dots as to why they suddenly owed taxes after Trump came into office, or found some way to pin it on Democrats.
 
HomerJS

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In case you thought right wingers couldn't sink any lower. Host has a point. Isn't Ann Coulter one of those childless cat ladies who put career first.
 
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MrSquished said:
I kind of noticed there are a group of posters who aren't celebrating so much with us. Too fucking funny.
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Nothing to celebrate yet. To use one of Tim's analogies, it is not even halftime yet and the game is tied.
By the way, my response to Walz's "It is the fourth quarter and we need a field goal" to close out his speech, is yea, and we have the Minnesota Vikings kicker. (look up Gary Anderson choke). Not a very good analogy for someone from Minnesota.
 
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HomerJS

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ondma said:
Nothing to celebrate yet. To use one of Tim's analogies, it is not even halftime yet and the game is tied.
By the way, my response to Walz's "It is the fourth quarter and we need a field goal" to close out his speech, is yea, and we have the Minnesota Vikings kicker. (look up Gary Anderson choke). Not a very good analogy for someone from Minnesota.
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Worse than the Scott Norwood choke?
 
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ondma

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HomerJS said:
Worse than the Scott Norwood choke?
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Probably not, except that Norwood's attempt was for 47 yards which is on the edge of make-ability. Anderson's kick was only 38 yards (should be routine) and he hadn't missed a kick all year, so it was particularly crushing for Vikings fans. The Vikings are notorious for having field goal kickers choke in critical situations. That is why Walz's analogy made me burst out laughing. (See also Blair Walsh choke)
 
MrSquished

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ondma said:
Nothing to celebrate yet. To use one of Tim's analogies, it is not even halftime yet and the game is tied.
By the way, my response to Walz's "It is the fourth quarter and we need a field goal" to close out his speech, is yea, and we have the Minnesota Vikings kicker. (look up Gary Anderson choke). Not a very good analogy for someone from Minnesota.
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Of course there is something to celebrate right now. Doesn't mean you think the election is in the bag. But goddamn right we should be celebrating and taking that energy to go do something and win this election. In case you haven't noticed, energy, inspiration, excitement, these are all huge parts of politics and getting voter turnout and motivating people to volunteer and all sorts of good things.

Also you picking on that analogy is bonkers, you have some strange issues man.
 
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JujuFish

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ondma said:
Nothing to celebrate yet. To use one of Tim's analogies, it is not even halftime yet and the game is tied.
By the way, my response to Walz's "It is the fourth quarter and we need a field goal" to close out his speech, is yea, and we have the Minnesota Vikings kicker. (look up Gary Anderson choke). Not a very good analogy for someone from Minnesota.
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Gary Anderson has the 3rd most points scored in NFL history. You've got some issues to work through, man.
 
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JujuFish said:
Gary Anderson has the 3rd most points scored in NFL history. You've got some issues to work through, man.
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That is the classic example of a choke, man: great overall, but blows it in the most critical situation. You would have to be a fan of the Vikings I suppose to understand the degree of angst that surrounds our history with field goal kickers.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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I caught all four evenings of the DNC. It didn't fail my expectations, or I can say it exceeded them.

You can call it a 'propaganda-fest", but I think citizens have a responsibility to tune in to the propaganda so they can evaluate it. There is, you know, a "Propaganda of the Truth". People are naive and stupid to think that all propaganda is falsehood.

It's campaign season! This is all part of the show! I could feel sorry for Trump and his base, but I just won't. I won't do it . . .
 
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JujuFish

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ondma said:
That is the classic example of a choke, man: great overall, but blows it in the most critical situation. You would have to be a fan of the Vikings I suppose to understand the degree of angst that surrounds our history with field goal kickers.
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My team has one of the most famous field goal misses in NFL history: wide right. I think I understand just fine, and I stand by my statement that you have issues to work through.
 
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At the very least it wasn't fear-mongering dreck like the GOP puts out constantly and has for decades. They just keep amping it up is all.

And if anyone wants to say bringing up Project 2025 is fear-mongering--well if fear is based on facts it's healthy. I wouldn't swim in the ocean at night with a cut, because factually that is greatly increasing my chances of a shark attack. Try to get right-wingers to articulate fears on things like gay people and illegals, and it's just a stream of lying warbl-garbl. "Open borders!" etc.

As a Vikings fan in FL, how about we stop bringing up the '98 season and Gary Anderson. That one fricking hurt. That game single-handedly made me step back from sports a bit and stop being a fan(atic) about it. For an extremely funny and pathetic movie example, watch Buffalo 66 where the girl's parents keep re-watching the tape of Norwood's miss and praying that this time he makes it.... :)
 
hal2kilo

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BonzaiDuck said:
I caught all four evenings of the DNC. It didn't fail my expectations, or I can say it exceeded them.

You can call it a 'propaganda-fest", but I think citizens have a responsibility to tune in to the propaganda so they can evaluate it. There is, you know, a "Propaganda of the Truth". People are naive and stupid to think that all propaganda is falsehood.

It's campaign season! This is all part of the show! I could feel sorry for Trump and his base, but I just won't. I won't do it . . .
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It was seriously well produced and executed. I just hope that a machine and not people inflated that endless stream of balloons at the end.
 
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manly

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MrSquished said:
Of course there is something to celebrate right now. Doesn't mean you think the election is in the bag. But goddamn right we should be celebrating and taking that energy to go do something and win this election. In case you haven't noticed, energy, inspiration, excitement, these are all huge parts of politics and getting voter turnout and motivating people to volunteer and all sorts of good things.

Also you picking on that analogy is bonkers, you have some strange issues man.
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Seriously, it was a generic football analogy from a high school coach.
How our resident Walz-crusher extrapolates that to mean the Vikings specifically is silly and dumb.

As for the expiring tax cuts, everyone knows that the bulk of the middle class cuts will be extended no matter who is POTUS. They'll probably extend it all the way up to $400k, which some could quibble over but it's not meaningful in the big picture. I personally don't know how the Byrd rule affects the sausage-making in this case. Will the personal income tax rates be made permanent, or do they again sunset in ~ 8 years? What happens to the SALT cap? I don't think the corporate rates will revert to pre-2017 as Kamala Harris has proposed, but would something like a nominal 25% maximum rate be in play?

It all depends on how much "political capital" POTUS brings to the negotiating table. Barack Obama infamously was a poor negotiator with Repug legislators, and his team caved when it came time to extend the "Bush tax cuts."
 
HomerJS

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manly said:
Seriously, it was a generic football analogy from a high school coach.
How our resident Walz-crusher extrapolates that to mean the Vikings specifically is silly and dumb.

As for the expiring tax cuts, everyone knows that the bulk of the middle class cuts will be extended no matter who is POTUS. They'll probably extend it all the way up to $400k, which some could quibble over but it's not meaningful in the big picture. I personally don't know how the Byrd rule affects the sausage-making in this case. Will the personal income tax rates be made permanent, or do they again sunset in ~ 8 years? What happens to the SALT cap? I don't think the corporate rates will revert to pre-2017 as Kamala Harris has proposed, but would something like a nominal 25% maximum rate be in play?

It all depends on how much "political capital" POTUS brings to the negotiating table. Barack Obama infamously was a poor negotiator with Repug legislators, and his team caved when it came time to extend the "Bush tax cuts."
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Someone needs to remind people the Trump tax cuts for corporations were permanent but temporary for people. I'm ok with <400K because that is what Biden originally promised
 
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hal2kilo said:
It was seriously well produced and executed. I just hope that a machine and not people inflated that endless stream of balloons at the end.
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All the hot air coming from Trump could do the job easily.
 
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ondma

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HomerJS said:
Someone needs to remind people the Trump tax cuts for corporations were permanent but temporary for people. I'm ok with <400K because that is what Biden originally promised
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Yes, and also that Kamala's proposed 28% corporate tax rate is still below the rate in place before Trump's tax cuts, and businesses were doing fine.
 
MrSquished

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ondma said:
Yes, and also that Kamala's proposed 28% corporate tax rate is still below the rate in place before Trump's tax cuts, and businesses were doing fine.
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I mean she is practically a Republican at this point. I'm voting for Jill Stein!
 
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