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Dem lawmakers announce bill to limit mail-order and internet ammunition sales.

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TerryMathews said:
It's legally mandating against buying in bulk. It serves no common good. Isn't that enough?
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That seems like a reasonable argument for rejecting it, sure. But I'm more talking about the level of angst this proposal seems to have generated, which seems way out of proportion to what's actually being discussed. Particularly since it's only two people and it's unlikely to go anywhere due in no small part to Senator Reid and President Obama.
 
How many people must die before sensible gun control can be enacted?

I saw a report recently about how mind numbingly easy it is for anyone to go to a gun show and get weapons. It's pathetic how little oversight there is. Don't be fooled by gun owners who claim everything is in ship-shape. It's all lies.
 
TerryMathews said:
Six shooters have been used in more crimes than any other type gun. Ever hear the phrase "Saturday night special"?
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have six shooters been used in public killings in the same way that glock handguns have? It would physically be impossible since you have to reload each round by hand.
 
OneOfTheseDays said:
How many people must die before sensible gun control can be enacted?

I saw a report recently about how mind numbingly easy it is for anyone to go to a gun show and get weapons. It's pathetic how little oversight there is. Don't be fooled by gun owners who claim everything is in ship-shape. It's all lies.
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News flash: Gun bans don't work.
 
From the OP's link:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said last week that he does not intend to bring gun control legislation to the floor
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Ain't going nowhere. This may play in the sponsors' districts but it don't play nationally and the sponsors are fools for grandstanding an issue their party will lose seats over while accomplishing nothing. Maybe the sponsors need to re-read Bismark's quote "Politics is the art of the possible." This legislation is not possible and a waste of everybody's time. <diversion>Sort of like the Reps trying to repeal Obamacare or grandstanding the debt ceiling votes. <end that there diversion>
 
karmypolitics said:
have six shooters been used in public killings in the same way that glock handguns have? It would physically be impossible since you have to reload each round by hand.
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Thank you for proving your complete and utter ignorance, please tell us more.

BTW, with a speed loader you can reload a revolver just as fast, maybe faster than a Glock, just a little fyi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgvCGcD-i love you
 
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karmypolitics said:
They could work if they were comprehensive.
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You can't make a comprehensive gun ban, and even if you did. it still wouldn't work. Case in point: Prohibition.


Also, FYI there are more revolvers than semi-autos on the streets. And the majority of handgun crimes comes from small, cheap pistols like the Lorcin, Phoenix, Hi-points, Ravens, Davis, ect....anything thats super cheap. Most of the guns only carry 5-6 rounds, same as a typical revolver. So banning 15rd Glocks won't do anything....

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF


edit: I realize its old, but look at the figures on page 4 and 5. Most of the guns seized were small shitty pocket pistols. Most of the murders were from .38 specials or .357s, so yeah, taking my glock won't stop anything.
 
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karmypolitics said:
They could work if they were comprehensive.
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Are you seriously arguing that what America needs is a comprehensive gun ban?

First, how are you possibly going to enforce that with the millions of guns already out there in the country? Are you rounding them all up? How?

Second, are you making the claim that the psycho in Colorado would not have been able to harm anyone if he didn't have access to guns? 9/11 and Oklahoma City are some pretty strong examples of the amount of damage you can do without a gun if you have the proper mix of determination and insanity. If he'd blown up the theater, things would have been much, much worse.
 
karmypolitics said:
Then what's your solution to Aurora? Nothing?

It's so easy to criticize. That's all the tea party/gun idiots do.
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Who the fvck you calling Tea Party bub?



A good idea is not a prerequisite for spotting a bad idea. It'd be just swell if Congress could somehow "legislate away the crazy," but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

Guns are tools, the weapon is the person. When will anti-gun nuts get this?

I don't believe there is a "solution for Aurora." I think trained CCW holders blending into the populace and being assigned to various public venues as sheepdogs is a good start. Psychotic, cowardly killers prefer innocent and helpless groups. Knowing that there are probably several hidden and determined responders present can do a lot to change a cowards mind.
 
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zinfamous said:
Democrats are the greatest thing for the gun industry.

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Yep.

I kinda like what's been happening last couple years. I have many quite liberal friends who are now shooters, actually buying guns instead of borrowing or renting them. On the flip side, several of the more socially conservative people I know have reversed their views on gay marriage. It's like wedge issues are starting to erode away faster...

Good luck with that GOP!
 
xj0hnx said:
Thank you for proving your complete and utter ignorance, please tell us more.

BTW, with a speed loader you can reload a revolver just as fast, maybe faster than a Glock, just a little fyi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgvCGcD-i love you
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Mostly true, but utterly misleading. A 40 S&W Glock w/ extended magazine holds up to 31 rounds, 5 times as many as a six shooter...
 
Jhhnn said:
Mostly true, but utterly misleading. A 40 S&W Glock w/ extended magazine holds up to 31 rounds, 5 times as many as a six shooter...
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That doesn't mean people who own 31round mags will go out and kill people.


And the .40 cal glocks only have magazines extendable to 22 rounds. 23 with a round chambered. the 9mm have 30+1 rounds.
 
Jhhnn said:
Mostly true, but utterly misleading. A 40 S&W Glock w/ extended magazine holds up to 31 rounds, 5 times as many as a six shooter...
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Right, that is what Loughner was using right? The one that jammed also?

Also, as terrible as it was in Aurora, how many were wounded vs killed? 12 killed, 58 wounded? While horrible the fact is that's a much better ratio than 70 killed. Same with Loughner, 6 killed 14 injured, the extra capacity didn't exactly help them.

And there's nothing "misleading" about it.
 
Jhhnn said:
Mostly true, but utterly misleading. A 40 S&W Glock w/ extended magazine holds up to 31 rounds, 5 times as many as a six shooter...
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I'd also guess that speed loaders in general are more bulky than glock clips, making it more difficult to carry large amts of ammo.
 
xj0hnx said:
Right, that is what Loughner was using right? The one that jammed also?

Also, as terrible as it was in Aurora, how many were wounded vs killed? 12 killed, 58 wounded? While horrible the fact is that's a much better ratio than 70 killed. Same with Loughner, 6 killed 14 injured, the extra capacity didn't exactly help them.

And there's nothing "misleading" about it.
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His gun jammed because he was using a shitty extended mag, anyone whose fired from an extended mag knows how shitty they are.
 
xj0hnx said:
Right, that is what Loughner was using right? The one that jammed also?

Also, as terrible as it was in Aurora, how many were wounded vs killed? 12 killed, 58 wounded? While horrible the fact is that's a much better ratio than 70 killed. Same with Loughner, 6 killed 14 injured, the extra capacity didn't exactly help them.

And there's nothing "misleading" about it.
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goddamn you're dumb. And callous.
 
HybridSquirrel said:
His gun jammed because he was using a shitty extended mag, anyone whose fired from an extended mag knows how shitty they are.
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we should legislate that all such extended magazines have an engineered failure rate? I'm serious. Gun engineers are working all the time to make stuff more reliable.
 
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