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Delta Force vs. Navy SEAL's vs Rangers.... who would win * POLL *

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Rangers are dead last in that competition!

Regular soldiers of the rest of the world are trained to similar levels of the 'elite' rangers...Canadian soldiers routinely stomp Rangers when they invite us down for Wargames...

Delta and SEALs are actually elite.
 
Originally posted by: SilentZero
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛
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Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.
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Ok...lets clarify a bit here. Your absolutely right about the training. Ranger school is not in the same ballpark as SFQC. The training is vastly different, and the missions are as well.

The 75th Ranger RGT at benning does recieve orders from and is under the command of the army SOC, so there shouldn't be an arguement about the rangers affiliation with special operations (And yes I see your not arguing that 😛 ). They are not just glorified airborne units and are a middle ground between the SOG's and the regular army combat units. And I would hardly call ranger school ("the basic training and paratroop ability the rangers recieve"), and they do train with SOG groups and other foreign forces such as the KSK in germany.

I do agree however on the bottom line, is that in you can not compare the rangers training and missions to that of the army SF, navy seals, force recon, or AF pararescue.
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thats all i was trying to say.. thank you for the backup.. I am sorry i made it sound trivial to be a ranger.. that is not how I feel about it in reality.. I have much respect when i see that beret and rocker and know the sacrifice it takes to earn one.
 
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: frankgomez75
Anyone know whats the name of the military unit that the U.S. govt will not acknowledge if caught?

EDIT:

Who would win a battle between these military branches. Meaning which are the best of the best?
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WAIT WAIT WAIT....NEW YORK Rangers or TEXAS Rangers
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I'm sure some NYRangers can hit the ball decently but I'm not so sure the Texas Rangers can skate and score.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: SilentZero
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: So
Air Force. 😛
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Para Rescue is about the toughest sf unit to make.
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lol
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About 10% of the people trying out make it. Their training is intense. I'm not joking.
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Yeah but for every 200 people that try out for pararescue, there are about 5000 trying to get into the army SF. At my last unit they send practically 95% of all men who were not on profile and could pass the APFT to the SFAS (assessment and selection portion). And I was in a large unit. 😉 Can't speak for the Navy and marines, but I assume their tryout rate is extremely large as well. That and of course the basic and daily training the Air Force recieves is hardly close to the training the marines and army must endure. I was in a joint command the last year of my service and while we ran 4+ miles a day and did PT twice daily (flak vest, rifle and sometimes MOP 4 PT in the morning, and regular PT in the afternoon), the Air Force personel went to the gym on the base 3 times a week to workout on their own, with the occassional 2 mile run every few weeks. I am surprised that even 10% made it through pararescue school.
 
Originally posted by: melchoir
Marine Force Recon?
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FTW!

Most people have never heard of them though. I was on a float once and watched the Force Recon guys punk on the seals for fun, it was pretty funny. These guys are like finley tuned maniacs.

Force recon is the only elite unit not under Socom, because socom is a central command, considered to react "too slow". They are pretty much on thier own level.

within 48 hours of Sept 11th the US already had forces in Afghanistan. It wasn't the Seals, or Delta force, or the Rangers. It was Force Recon
 
The way I understand it, the various special forces groups focus an a certain type of mission. Depending on what it is one may be better then the other. I thought delta did hostage rescue also seal team 6 for counter terror things of that nature. Rangers took air fields for invasions see grenada. Seal's(SEa Air Land) boat/swim/parachute in get special interest targets. Marine recon/snipers gather intel and get single high value targets... That is just the way I think it works.
 
Delta Force if Chuck Norris was one...

Cause Chuck Norris's chief export is pain...
 
SEALS, Delta Force, Rangers, Green Beret's they all train for different types of missions. Rangers are best at taking over large airports, SEALs are best at swimming up to a ship and raping everyone on it. Its like comparing apples to oranges.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: melchoir
Marine Force Recon?
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FTW!

Most people have never heard of them though. I was on a float once and watched the Force Recon guys punk on the seals for fun, it was pretty funny. These guys are like finley tuned maniacs.

Force recon is the only elite unit not under Socom, because socom is a central command, considered to react "too slow". They are pretty much on thier own level.

within 48 hours of Sept 11th the US already had forces in Afghanistan. It wasn't the Seals, or Delta force, or the Rangers. It was Force Recon
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ding ding ding BS fact makeruper alert ding ding ding


wow no it was not...it was actually a team of CIA contractors (notice I said contractorrs) who contained all former delta force members...then it was contingents of Seal Team 2 and also Seal Team 4 if IRRC...the green eberets were actually much more heavily envlolved in afgan. because it is more of their specialty than deltas...
 
BTW someone already brought this up but the invasion of panama is a perfect example

I read extensively about it (lol wish iw as there) and I could go into a lot of detail but basically it was like this

Seal team 6 - take down of the governors house to secure his exit from the island...were later relieved by Marines

Delta Force - besides hunting Noriega from the beggining and being there before zero hour in the city (all teams resumed looking for pineapple face after their inital mission) they tookdown a jail cell and made sure an american business man held there was borught back *this is quite a short and interesting read...I wish if wasnt just Delta on the raid so there would be more info about it but it invlolved a lot of awesome techniques and ended very dramitcally

Seal Team 2 with members of 4 and it was a horriblly panned mission...people in the pentagon were believing that bs hollywood crap...they also were not relieved for hours by a marine group that never showed


There was also grenada which i can get into

I love discussing this stuff...
 
Delta, Recon, Rangers, SEALS are all highly competent. They are the cream of the crop of America's military power.

And Frank, you have been watching too many movies.
 
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: melchoir
Marine Force Recon?
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FTW!

Most people have never heard of them though. I was on a float once and watched the Force Recon guys punk on the seals for fun, it was pretty funny. These guys are like finley tuned maniacs.

Force recon is the only elite unit not under Socom, because socom is a central command, considered to react "too slow". They are pretty much on thier own level.

within 48 hours of Sept 11th the US already had forces in Afghanistan. It wasn't the Seals, or Delta force, or the Rangers. It was Force Recon
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ding ding ding BS fact makeruper alert ding ding ding


wow no it was not...it was actually a team of CIA contractors (notice I said contractorrs) who contained all former delta force members...then it was contingents of Seal Team 2 and also Seal Team 4 if IRRC...the green eberets were actually much more heavily envlolved in afgan. because it is more of their specialty than deltas...
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fact makeruper? The whole mission was declassified a year later and well documented in the Marine Corps Gazette. I will link to it if I can find it online. Wheres your information from?
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: melchoir
Marine Force Recon?
Click to expand...
FTW!

Most people have never heard of them though. I was on a float once and watched the Force Recon guys punk on the seals for fun, it was pretty funny. These guys are like finley tuned maniacs.

Force recon is the only elite unit not under Socom, because socom is a central command, considered to react "too slow". They are pretty much on thier own level.

within 48 hours of Sept 11th the US already had forces in Afghanistan. It wasn't the Seals, or Delta force, or the Rangers. It was Force Recon
Click to expand...

ding ding ding BS fact makeruper alert ding ding ding


wow no it was not...it was actually a team of CIA contractors (notice I said contractorrs) who contained all former delta force members...then it was contingents of Seal Team 2 and also Seal Team 4 if IRRC...the green eberets were actually much more heavily envlolved in afgan. because it is more of their specialty than deltas...
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fact makeruper? The whole mission was declassified a year later and well documented in the Marine Corps Gazette. I will link to it if I can find it online. Wheres your information from?
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LOL the marine corps always has that progaganda BS in their newspapers...my borther is one and he is first to admit it

Go read the book Hunting the Jackal, and SF in Afganistan, a goverment published book
 
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: melchoir
Marine Force Recon?
Click to expand...
FTW!

Most people have never heard of them though. I was on a float once and watched the Force Recon guys punk on the seals for fun, it was pretty funny. These guys are like finley tuned maniacs.

Force recon is the only elite unit not under Socom, because socom is a central command, considered to react "too slow". They are pretty much on thier own level.

within 48 hours of Sept 11th the US already had forces in Afghanistan. It wasn't the Seals, or Delta force, or the Rangers. It was Force Recon
Click to expand...

ding ding ding BS fact makeruper alert ding ding ding


wow no it was not...it was actually a team of CIA contractors (notice I said contractorrs) who contained all former delta force members...then it was contingents of Seal Team 2 and also Seal Team 4 if IRRC...the green eberets were actually much more heavily envlolved in afgan. because it is more of their specialty than deltas...
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fact makeruper? The whole mission was declassified a year later and well documented in the Marine Corps Gazette. I will link to it if I can find it online. Wheres your information from?
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LOL the marine corps always has that progaganda BS in their newspapers...my borther is one and he is first to admit it

Go read the book Hunting the Jackal, and SF in Afganistan, a goverment published book
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An after action report is not propoganda. And its not a "newpaper" its a professional journal. Most of its subscribers are officers. Theres no need to feed propaganda to a bunch of brass.

 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: melchoir
Marine Force Recon?
Click to expand...
FTW!

Most people have never heard of them though. I was on a float once and watched the Force Recon guys punk on the seals for fun, it was pretty funny. These guys are like finley tuned maniacs.

Force recon is the only elite unit not under Socom, because socom is a central command, considered to react "too slow". They are pretty much on thier own level.

within 48 hours of Sept 11th the US already had forces in Afghanistan. It wasn't the Seals, or Delta force, or the Rangers. It was Force Recon
Click to expand...

ding ding ding BS fact makeruper alert ding ding ding


wow no it was not...it was actually a team of CIA contractors (notice I said contractorrs) who contained all former delta force members...then it was contingents of Seal Team 2 and also Seal Team 4 if IRRC...the green eberets were actually much more heavily envlolved in afgan. because it is more of their specialty than deltas...
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fact makeruper? The whole mission was declassified a year later and well documented in the Marine Corps Gazette. I will link to it if I can find it online. Wheres your information from?
Click to expand...
LOL the marine corps always has that progaganda BS in their newspapers...my borther is one and he is first to admit it

Go read the book Hunting the Jackal, and SF in Afganistan, a goverment published book
Click to expand...
An after action report is not propoganda. And its not a "newpaper" its a professional journal.
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LOL they don't publish the actual after action report in the journel

AND has it occured to you that other things may have not been declassified!

hello mcfly
 
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