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Delta Force vs. Navy SEAL's vs Rangers.... who would win * POLL *

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This poll and topic just goes to show how misinformed the OP and other posters are on this topic. For once I agree with Son of a Noob. 😛

Delta is at the top, and takes its members from the Army SOG's and Navy Seals amongst others. So you can't compare the Navy Seals to Delta Force at all.

The Rangers are special operations (I was in a Ranger unit, so know first hand), and anyone who says they aren't are idiots. And even though they in the realm of SOF, they are not equivalent to either the Army SF or the Navy Seals, not to mention Delta for that matter. It's a matter of training and qualifying. Rangers do not have to go though the SFQC at all, which is easily the most demanding school in the Army, but rather have to go thru Ranger school, which is a PITA and pretty damn tough, but not in the same class as SFQC. But when push comes to shove, the Rangers are special operations, and their missions reflect this fact.

As far as which would win a fight? That is just retarded to ask. It should be painfully obvious.
 
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛

Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.
 
how come US Army Special Forces, Marine Force Recon, USAF Combat Controllers,etc,etc. arent on there??? get the hell outa here.
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛

Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.

you forgot to mention a very very common mission that only SF can do, due to the quick reaction and training needed for the job...

airfield takedowns

please sir just leave this thread...the Rangers are much better trained than regular paratroopers...and if you want to believe that fine...but its far from the truth
 
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛

Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.

you forgot to mention a very very common mission that only SF can do, due to the quick reaction and training needed for the job...

airfield takedowns

please sir just leave this thread...the Rangers are much better trained than regular paratroopers...and if you want to believe that fine...but its far from the truth

btw your still and idiot...the irony of you failing to crasp the definition let alone whole concept of is SF is actually quite entertaining...if you would like to continue and this old "tard" will pull up a lawn chair and watch
 
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛

Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.

you forgot to mention a very very common mission that only SF can do, due to the quick reaction and training needed for the job...

airfield takedowns

please sir just leave this thread...the Rangers are much better trained than regular paratroopers...and if you want to believe that fine...but its far from the truth

No i didnt fail to mention that mission which is covered under what I said.

10 years US Navy including Desert Sheild/Storm here worked with SOG grps on several occasions and am very familiar with the various duties of each unit.
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛

Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.

you forgot to mention a very very common mission that only SF can do, due to the quick reaction and training needed for the job...

airfield takedowns

please sir just leave this thread...the Rangers are much better trained than regular paratroopers...and if you want to believe that fine...but its far from the truth

No i didnt fail to mention that mission which is covered under what I said.

10 years US Navy including Desert Sheild/Storm here worked with SOG grps on several occasions and am very familiar with the various duties of each unit.

then if it is covered (which it is not) under what you said then you are completely wrong

ANYONE who even knows SF at all and not some hollywood fan etc knows you wouldn't send a delta or seal platoon to capture an airfield....Dboys and Seals are not trained to work as a large unit in quick reaction forces...thus thats where the rangers come in...

and do not een try to say that the marines could do what the rangers can or something like that

face it...you are wrong...the rangers are SF and that is that....if you would like me to elucidate the 99million reasons why I will be happy to, for you and everyone else that can see this pwnage of an ignorant misinformed member who thinks he is right
 
you should add "tie" as an option. Considering that these groups are each trained for three seperate things they would be proficiant in their own fighting skills.
 
Rangers and seals are same branch...

You should compare Army SF in general, Seals, and Recon. But dont forget about para rescue.

But whatever... I wont even enter the debate.
 
/me pulls up a lawnchair, cracks a Heineken, and enjoys the Son of a N00b / CVSiN mountain-goat clash. :laugh:
 
You can NOT even come CLOSE to comprehending the raw power of the most powerful armada ever assembled....The Coast Guard Reserves
 
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛

Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.

you forgot to mention a very very common mission that only SF can do, due to the quick reaction and training needed for the job...

airfield takedowns

please sir just leave this thread...the Rangers are much better trained than regular paratroopers...and if you want to believe that fine...but its far from the truth

No i didnt fail to mention that mission which is covered under what I said.

10 years US Navy including Desert Sheild/Storm here worked with SOG grps on several occasions and am very familiar with the various duties of each unit.

then if it is covered (which it is not) under what you said then you are completely wrong

ANYONE who even knows SF at all and not some hollywood fan etc knows you wouldn't send a delta or seal platoon to capture an airfield....Dboys and Seals are not trained to work as a large unit in quick reaction forces...thus thats where the rangers come in...

and do not een try to say that the marines could do what the rangers can or something like that

face it...you are wrong...the rangers are SF and that is that....if you would like me to elucidate the 99million reasons why I will be happy to, for you and everyone else that can see this pwnage of an ignorant misinformed member who thinks he is right

I did not say that Airfield capture was a Seal/Delta Op... that is 100% airborne mission..
and i said they cannot be compared to the real SF units...
they are UNDER THE SOG COMMAND but are not as elite as the other units therefore should not even be included in this kind of comparison.

so reread what I said..
fvcking idiots cant even read..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command#Army
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
you also got to remember.. these units all have DIFFERENT MISSIONS they are trained to fill..

they are not the same and never pretended to be.. so you cannot compare them..
they all have different tactics and missions they are tasked with.

rangers are not technically SOG anymore.. they are just paratroopers and that doesnt make them SOG.

the 3 US SOG groups are Marine Force Recon, US Navy Seals (Top group is Seal Team 6,) US Army Green Berets (with thier top echelon being Delta)


http://www.globalspecialoperations.com/sf.html#Detachment-D

not putting down anyone that may have served as a ranger but they are not in the same league as the true SOG groups.

Ok, this page proves you wrong on the status of US Army Rangers: US Army Special Operations Command. Notice on the left hand side that 4th one listed is 75th Ranger Regiment.

"Special operations" is a designation, which is why there are components of the Marine Corps which are listed as "special operations capable" but are not necessarily full time within USSOCOM.

Are Rangers capable of the same missions as Delta, SEALs or Force Recon? Not necessarily, but that's not really an issue. Rangers specialize in Direct Attack, with airfield seizure being one aspect (as is mentioned above). While the others operate in small groups, Rangers operate in large ones, but they are most definitely special operations.
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
but what really dissapoints me here is not who is more elite but the lack of information here and a lot of idiots here who say stuff and are completely wrong......


I know a lot about SF and there is a lot of misinformation here
BTW to the moron that staated the rangers are not SF anymore...yeah wow...just go logoff now


sorry for being harsh but do not pretnd to know what you do not

😛

Noob you are a tard... you cannot compare the basic training and paratroop ability the ranger recieve compared to the speciallized training the REAL SOG groups recieve.. they are not even in the same Mission capacity..

you would not send a Ranger Battallion to siege an Oil Rig or to retake a hostage situation or to assasinate someone.. those are jobs of the real CQB experts navy Seals and Delta.. rangers are designed as foward deployed solders before the main groups come ashore.. thier job is to secure landing zones, spot advanced targets, and provide intellegence for invasion forces...

Seals and Delta are much more speciallized in CQB as well as hostage rescues and ther nasty jobs where a large force is not wanted nor is neccessary. rangers are just the Airborne "Zerg" unit of the US Army. while they do retain command structure under USSOGC command they are still not even close to as elite as the other units and are not special forces when compared with Speznaz, SAS, or any other US SOG group.

Ok...lets clarify a bit here. Your absolutely right about the training. Ranger school is not in the same ballpark as SFQC. The training is vastly different, and the missions are as well.

The 75th Ranger RGT at benning does recieve orders from and is under the command of the army SOC, so there shouldn't be an arguement about the rangers affiliation with special operations (And yes I see your not arguing that 😛 ). They are not just glorified airborne units and are a middle ground between the SOG's and the regular army combat units. And I would hardly call ranger school ("the basic training and paratroop ability the rangers recieve"), and they do train with SOG groups and other foreign forces such as the KSK in germany.

I do agree however on the bottom line, is that in you can not compare the rangers training and missions to that of the army SF, navy seals, force recon, or AF pararescue.
 
each group has its strengths and sending the wrong group on the wrong mission can be a disaster. take panama for instance, when the US went after noriega. they sent a large group of seals to take out the airport where noriega's plane was at. their mission was to take the airport and disable the plane. it was a disaster, and a lot of good seals got killed. the seals afterwards even said, that it was the wrong type of mission for them and that they weren't used to working in groups that large. they said army rangers take down airport, not them. wrong team for the mission flat out.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: So
Air Force. 😛

Para Rescue is about the toughest sf unit to make.

The Coast Guard rescue swimmers are definitely up there as well. Going out and getting shot at is definitely scary, but it takes a special kind of badass to jump out of a helicopter into 20-30 foot seas at night.
 
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