Delphi LOWERS offer to UAW to $9/hr!

[zendari]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
Ford did, the Escape Hybrid. IMO it was an inferior product. GM admittedly was late to the game.

Didn't Ford have to buy the technology from Toyota or Honda?

They were first to market with the hybrid SUV. And if they did have to buy the technology, that means their engineers suck.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh I'm am working.

I work the new version of the Republican American Dream.

I bounce from temporary job to temporary job so that the Rich Republican Employers don't have to pay health benefits and pay me as low as possible.

I have been searching for a job on a daily basis since 2002.

Nice try, play again.

How does it feel knowing your entire life is a joke? It hurts, huh?

When one spends their day neffing on the Internet, it should be understand why nobody will hire you. Employers expect a person to work when they are at work, not play on the Internet.

I'm sure I get more work done in one day than you do in a week.

 

[nfamous]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dirtboy
These are wages as low as $9 per hour, most likely starting wages. Can't raise a family on $9/hr? Don't have children in high school and drop out. :roll:

We live in a consequence free society didnt you hear? The liberals have been yapping for the last 30 years a single mother is the best thing since sliced bread!

Sure it is, because those people need handouts; need to suck on the gov't nipple. All courtesy of the DNC which believes that no person should be accountable for their actions unless they are a Republican.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[HeaterCore]

Originally posted by: nfamous

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dirtboy
These are wages as low as $9 per hour, most likely starting wages. Can't raise a family on $9/hr? Don't have children in high school and drop out. :roll:

We live in a consequence free society didnt you hear? The liberals have been yapping for the last 30 years a single mother is the best thing since sliced bread!

Sure it is, because those people need handouts; need to suck on the gov't nipple. All courtesy of the DNC which believes that no person should be accountable for their actions unless they are a Republican.

Couldn't agree more.

And the GOP believes that everyone is accountable unless you're in Congress.

-hc-

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: joshw10
How is $9 an hour too little? The right amount to pay is the amount legal American citizens are willing to work for. If they can find qualified Americans willing to do the job for $9/hour wages, then that's what the job is worth. I suspect they would have no problem finding qualified individuals at $9/hour for most positions if they are not held hostage by a union.

Sad but true. The choice is either do the jobs for poverty-level wages or let the jobs get offshored. What used to be solid middle class jobs are becoming poverty-wage jobs. Welcome to the new America--welcome to Third World America.

This should be a wake-up call to my fellow citizens that we need to address some very serious economic issues, but I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears. "Everything is fine! The economy is good and getting goodah! Unemployment is at all time lows--just look at these beautiful numbers we were able to massage out of the data! We need more education! Education will save us!

OK everyone...go back to inhaling your opiate of the masses...that notion that education will be the nation's savior. Don't worry about the problems at Delphi, GM, and Ford. It's all good. People can get college educations and advanced degrees and find wonderful jobs at Walmart. It's all good.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: halik

so $27 for pushing rubber grommets is the dmcowen american dream?

Where do i sign up then, I mean I'm about to get TWO diplomas from a top tier university and my job market hovers at $30/hr :roll:

Food for thought. What if all of those displaced workers do the retraining/re-educate gig and go to the university to obtain degrees in your field. They work very hard and strive to bet he best. Then they offer to work in your field for 50% less. Would you be concerned?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Indeed, these people should be the poster children for why getting more than a highschool or GED education is a must in our country.

Sure there may be a few college grads who dont want to aspire to anything more than a low skilled 12 dollar an hour laborer. But I am guessing the majority of these people hit have highschool educations and that is it.

Are you saying that we have as enough high-value-added knowledge-based-jobs for all of the people with college degrees who want to fulfill them? Are you saying that there's no such thing as a college grad who's unemployed (in spite of bona fide efforts to find suitable employment)?

Read the newspapers man! Didn't you read about all the IT layoffs? Haven't you read about MBAs with years of experience who can't find decent jobs? I'm under the impression that millions of college-educated people are unemployed or significantly underemployed.

Education is not the solution for real structural economic problems. If education were the key to national prosperity then we should be far more prosperous today than we are now. Heck, there are people with science Ph.D.'s who work gypsy scientist positions earning only $30,000/year (or less) with no benefits.

Believe it or not, we have an oversupply of college-educated people.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

When you have a nation of 330,000,000 and 25,000 well paid people loose a job it isn't going to bring the country to a screaming hault.

The concern is whether this is an isolated incident or whether it's representative of thousands of other simliar situations in industries and businesses that are too small (relative to Delphi) to make national news.

 

[alent1234]

i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: joshw10
How is $9 an hour too little? The right amount to pay is the amount legal American citizens are willing to work for. If they can find qualified Americans willing to do the job for $9/hour wages, then that's what the job is worth. I suspect they would have no problem finding qualified individuals at $9/hour for most positions if they are not held hostage by a union.

Sad but true. The choice is either do the jobs for poverty-level wages or let the jobs get offshored. What used to be solid middle class jobs are becoming poverty-wage jobs. Welcome to the new America--welcome to Third World America.

This should be a wake-up call to my fellow citizens that we need to address some very serious economic issues, but I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears. "Everything is fine! The economy is good and getting goodah! Unemployment is at all time lows--just look at these beautiful numbers we were able to massage out of the data! We need more education! Education will save us!

OK everyone...go back to inhaling your opiate of the masses...that notion that education will be the nation's savior. Don't worry about the problems at Delphi, GM, and Ford. It's all good. People can get college educations and advanced degrees and find wonderful jobs at Walmart. It's all good.

They won't find qualified replacements for these workers on these shores. These jobs are going to China, Mexico, South America, etc.

Delphi is not an assembler of autos. The assembly line workers are still GM. Delphi is most if not all the parts plants. At parts plants you have many jobs that are mundane, but you also have many jobs that require a specialized skill to make the part. This skill might take years to learn.

You won't see American workers devoting years of their lives to learn a job for $9/hr. with no benefits.

Delphi will get a contract that allows them to, slowly over years, move their operations offshore like so many others already have.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alent1234
i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them

I have no sympathy for those with graduate degrees that make sh!t for a living, they could have gotten a job with the UAW instead but no, they went to school which is much easier than working and now they feel they are entitled to make a decent living. Most of those with college degrees are at best mediocre employees no different than the mediocre employees at Delphi and they both share the sense of entitlement.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alent1234
i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them

I have no sympathy for those with graduate degrees that make sh!t for a living, they could have gotten a job with the UAW instead but no, they went to school which is much easier than working and now they feel they are entitled to make a decent living. Most of those with college degrees are at best mediocre employees no different than the mediocre employees at Delphi and they both share the sense of entitlement.

Working in the auto field, I get to see both. You're absolutely right. BOTH sides (college grads vs non grads), at times, have a sense of entitlement. Hell, I've got a new grad that absolutely thinks he's ABOVE everyone and, in reality, he don't know crap. Might not last into 2006.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
...they went to school which is much easier than working.

You're right about that one. Nothing is worse than mind-numbingly boring, brain-crushingly rote labor.

 

[tommywishbone]

Yesterday Lou Dobbs said that Walmart is now the single biggest employer in the country. The biggest. If this is true, $9/hr would be the high end of the national pay scale.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alent1234
i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them

I have no sympathy for those with graduate degrees that make sh!t for a living, they could have gotten a job with the UAW instead but no, they went to school which is much easier than working and now they feel they are entitled to make a decent living. Most of those with college degrees are at best mediocre employees no different than the mediocre employees at Delphi and they both share the sense of entitlement.

:laugh::thumbsup:

 

[OrganizedChaos]

$9 bucks is plenty for an assembly line job. If this plant was in my town I'd be willing to do it.

 

[IronMentality]

Tell them to get a job at Wal-Mart.

http://businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8DEJRA81.htm

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
...they went to school which is much easier than working.

You're right about that one. Nothing is worse than mind-numbingly boring, brain-crushingly rote labor.

Just because one might be college educated that doesn't mean that they won't have a mind numbing boring brain crushing routine job themselves. Being a college educated "Pencil Pusher" doesn't sound any more interesting than an assembly line worker.

 

[Stunt]

Did you guys read the article?

It said wages *start* at $9, today's averages are $26.

There are jobs in a factory that just don't demand hiigher pay...ie. janitor. The idea that $9 is the new going rate for all union employees is HIGHLY misguided. I will be looking to see the average pay...to make a reasonable comparison.

That article seems heavily biased, giving confusing data and information.

 

[eakers]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: eakers
ps: those wages are ridiculous!
Toyota starts at $23.75/hour and they are non-union.

Toyota, at least in Georgetown, KY, starts many out at much lower wages through temporary agencies. I've heard stories of folks working for 2+ years through a temp. agency without going full time at Toyota.

However, their wages, once full time, are very good with good benefits. They, however, expect and GET hard working employees who share ideas to constantly help themselves and the company.

Oh, and my view is that I would rather have 25,000 US workers making $9.50 an hour and the same 25,000 Mexicans making $0.85 per hour (nothing against Mexicans, I'm just MORE pro US).

I can only talk about Toyota here and I know a lot of people who work there... and they don't have hire temps to do in-house work, only to do third party inspection on their suppliers. Its crazy hard to get a job there though, usually general assembly people have college educations :Q

 

[eakers]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Did you guys read the article?

It said wages *start* at $9, today's averages are $26.

There are jobs in a factory that just don't demand hiigher pay...ie. janitor. The idea that $9 is the new going rate for all union employees is HIGHLY misguided. I will be looking to see the average pay...to make a reasonable comparison.

That article seems heavily biased, giving confusing data and information.

janitors generally are not in the UAW.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
...they went to school which is much easier than working.

You're right about that one. Nothing is worse than mind-numbingly boring, brain-crushingly rote labor.

Just because one might be college educated that doesn't mean that they won't have a mind numbing boring brain crushing routine job themselves. Being a college educated "Pencil Pusher" doesn't sound any more interesting than an assembly line worker.

/reminded of the SNL skit "You think you betta than me?!?!?"

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: eakers

Originally posted by: Stunt
Did you guys read the article?

It said wages *start* at $9, today's averages are $26.

There are jobs in a factory that just don't demand hiigher pay...ie. janitor. The idea that $9 is the new going rate for all union employees is HIGHLY misguided. I will be looking to see the average pay...to make a reasonable comparison.

That article seems heavily biased, giving confusing data and information.

janitors generally are not in the UAW.

Our janitors are part of the steelworker's union...
Janitors are likely part of UAW.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Did you guys read the article?

It said wages *start* at $9, today's averages are $26.

There are jobs in a factory that just don't demand hiigher pay...ie. janitor. The idea that $9 is the new going rate for all union employees is HIGHLY misguided. I will be looking to see the average pay...to make a reasonable comparison.

That article seems heavily biased, giving confusing data and information.

I have a copy of the company's full proposal (It's amazing the way this stuff gets around in Detroit). Starting pay for new hires is $9, but you can work yourself up to the top pay of $10.50 for unskilled labor.

Skilled tradesmen (diemakers, millwrights, machine repairmen, pipe fitters, electricians, etc.) start at $18 and work their way up to $19.

All work not directly effecting production will be contracted out.

Holidays are cut in half. No double time for Sunday, only time and a half after 40 hours.

No benefits, no medical coverage, no cost of living increases, no pension, no jobs bank.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Stunt
Did you guys read the article?

It said wages *start* at $9, today's averages are $26.

There are jobs in a factory that just don't demand hiigher pay...ie. janitor. The idea that $9 is the new going rate for all union employees is HIGHLY misguided. I will be looking to see the average pay...to make a reasonable comparison.

That article seems heavily biased, giving confusing data and information.

I have a copy of the company's full proposal (It's amazing the way this stuff gets around in Detroit). Starting pay for new hires is $9, but you can work yourself up to the top pay of $10.50 for unskilled labor.

Skilled tradesmen (diemakers, millwrights, machine repairmen, pipe fitters, electricians, etc.) start at $18 and work their way up to $19.

All work not directly effecting production will be contracted out.

Holidays are cut in half. No double time for Sunday, only time and a half after 40 hours.

No benefits, no medical coverage, no cost of living increases, no pension, no jobs bank.

Holidays are cut down to 10, basically what everyone else gets, dont feel bad.
Benefits will still exist, they will just cost the employee more.

The jobs bank needs to go away. No point in keeping idle workets at full pay forever.

This is delphi opening offer. Delphi is after several major things from UAW.

1. Right to combine and close plants.
2. Bring wages/benefits back in line with reality
3. Keep UAW from dictating its suppliers. Suppliers must currently be from union shops.
4. Killing the job bank. This costs them $100M/qtr.