Delphi LOWERS offer to UAW to $9/hr!

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Delphi to UAW: Massive wage cuts or no more contract

Union site posts supplier's proposal

David Barkholz

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Delphi Corp. wants its 25,000 UAW-represented employees to accept wage cuts from $27 an hour to as little as $9.50 an hour or the company will ask the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York to terminate labor contracts.

Delphi also is demanding an end to the company's job bank, which pays about 4,000 idle workers. The supplier also wants major new employee cost-sharing on health care, reduced holidays and the right to sell, close or consolidate any of its 45 U.S. factories and support centers.

The Delphi proposal to the UAW leadership was posted Tuesday afternoon on a UAW rank-and-file Web site, www.futureoftheunion.com.

Delphi also proposes freezing the pension plan for hourly employees, but the supplier may later terminate the plan, the posting said.

Delphi is not commenting on the proposal, except to say that the provisions are needed for the company to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, said Lindsey Williams, Delphi corporate affairs manager. Delphi, North America's largest auto supplier, put its U.S. operations under Chapter 11 protection Oct. 8.

The response on the site: "No UAW leader or member would agree to this ridiculous proposal!" Phones at UAW headquarters after business hours were not answered, but UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said last Friday that the proposal displayed "a total lack of concern" for Delphi workers and their families.

Delphi proposes paying one group of production workers $9.50 an hour and another group $10.50 an hour. Skilled workers would earn $18-$19 an hour. A wage of $9.50 an hour is equal to $19,760 a year without overtime, just $410 above the national poverty threshold for a family of four.

The proposal says that Delphi plans to implement the agreement Jan. 1. It would run through Jan. 1, 2012.

Delphi said it sought Chapter 11 protection to relieve losses from high labor costs and from operating unnecessary plants.
 

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either way, does anyone else agree that this is the decline of the american blue collar worker?

Sure the UAW sucks, but they set a standard for above average wages for, well, the people in this country who are most likely to spend most of their paycheck and bolster the economy.
Yes, no?
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: redly1
either way, does anyone else agree that this is the decline of the american blue collar worker?

Sure the UAW sucks, but they set a standard for above average wages for, well, the people in this country who are most likely to spend most of their paycheck and bolster the economy.
Yes, no?



People around here tend to look down on the blue collar worker...they have no "formal" education...:roll:
 

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"The proposal says that Delphi plans to implement the agreement Jan. 1. It would run through Jan. 1, 2012."

Owned.

UAW can't win this one. Its over. This is Delphi saying "your time is over, you must leave now"
 

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I'd really like to know if anyone else thinks this is going to have a Major longterm economic impact in the US

Also, does anyone know what the average Ohio or Alabama Honda factory worker or US toyota worker makes? I've never heard a number
 

eakers

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ps: those wages are ridiculous!
Toyota starts at $23.75/hour and they are non-union.
 

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Originally posted by: Goo
Now we need the big 3 to follow.


GM and Ford are waiting in the wings on this one.
Chrysler has kraut backup, and a rebounding bottom line
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: spidey07
"The proposal says that Delphi plans to implement the agreement Jan. 1. It would run through Jan. 1, 2012."

Owned.

UAW can't win this one. Its over. This is Delphi saying "your time is over, you must leave now"




Delphi can't force a contract on the UAW...
 

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Originally posted by: eakers
ps: those wages are ridiculous!
Toyota starts at $23.75/hour and they are non-union.


are you serious?? are you sure that isn;t skilled labor?
 

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Originally posted by: eakers
ps: those wages are ridiculous!
Toyota starts at $23.75/hour and they are non-union.

Toyota, at least in Georgetown, KY, starts many out at much lower wages through temporary agencies. I've heard stories of folks working for 2+ years through a temp. agency without going full time at Toyota.

However, their wages, once full time, are very good with good benefits. They, however, expect and GET hard working employees who share ideas to constantly help themselves and the company.

Oh, and my view is that I would rather have 25,000 US workers making $9.50 an hour and the same 25,000 Mexicans making $0.85 per hour (nothing against Mexicans, I'm just MORE pro US).
 

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Originally posted by: redly1
I'd really like to know if anyone else thinks this is going to have a Major longterm economic impact in the US

Also, does anyone know what the average Ohio or Alabama Honda factory worker or US toyota worker makes? I've never heard a number

Not so much on a nationwide impact as it will a regional thing. Some towns near major plant/factorys are artificially supported by the inflated wages of these employees.

When you have a town of 5,000 people loose 1,000 high paying jobs that's a major impact on that town.

When you have a town of 20,000 loose 5,000 high paying jobs, it will have a major impact on that town.

When you have a nation of 330,000,000 and 25,000 well paid people loose a job it isn't going to bring the country to a screaming hault.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: spidey07
"The proposal says that Delphi plans to implement the agreement Jan. 1. It would run through Jan. 1, 2012."

Owned.

UAW can't win this one. Its over. This is Delphi saying "your time is over, you must leave now"




Delphi can't force a contract on the UAW...

Exactly. The contracts will be null and void.

No more union. either take it or get out.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: redly1
either way, does anyone else agree that this is the decline of the american blue collar worker?

Sure the UAW sucks, but they set a standard for above average wages for, well, the people in this country who are most likely to spend most of their paycheck and bolster the economy.
Yes, no?



People around here tend to look down on the blue collar worker...they have no "formal" education...:roll:

Not everyone looks down on blue collar workers. I know I certainly don't. I do have an intense dislike for unions though. UAW and the Big 3 automakers have priced themselves out of the market.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: spidey07
"The proposal says that Delphi plans to implement the agreement Jan. 1. It would run through Jan. 1, 2012."

Owned.

UAW can't win this one. Its over. This is Delphi saying "your time is over, you must leave now"




Delphi can't force a contract on the UAW...

Exactly. The contracts will be null and void.

No more union. either take it or get out.




LOL...it won't happen

You think it is that simple...?
 

spidey07

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Yes Dartworth, I do.

Bankruptcy affords a company very lenient legal options. Proving that they can no longer pay their labor at contract prices and must take this action to get out = unions have to take it or get out.

I'm convinced that this was one of the main stratagies to get the union out and a big part of filing bankruptcy.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes Dartworth, I do.

Bankruptcy affords a company very lenient legal options. Proving that they can no longer pay their labor at contract prices and must take this action to get out = unions have to take it or get out.

I'm convinced that this was one of the main stratagies to get the union out and a big part of filing bankruptcy.




This goes beyond legal issues. This would be a public relations disaster of biblical proportions for the US auto industry. The UAW would be painted as a martyr in the public eye and Delphi, GM and the rest of the Big 3 would become the great satan.

Miller is trying to play hardball with the UAW. Everyone in Detroit knows that they have to cut costs, and the UAW will have to take a pay cut. But if think they are going to take $9/hour?keep dreaming.

They will reach an agreement. This is only the beginning of the negotiations?and yes, they will negotiate.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: redly1
I'd really like to know if anyone else thinks this is going to have a Major longterm economic impact in the US

Also, does anyone know what the average Ohio or Alabama Honda factory worker or US toyota worker makes? I've never heard a number

Not so much on a nationwide impact as it will a regional thing. Some towns near major plant/factorys are artificially supported by the inflated wages of these employees.

When you have a town of 5,000 people loose 1,000 high paying jobs that's a major impact on that town.

When you have a town of 20,000 loose 5,000 high paying jobs, it will have a major impact on that town.

When you have a nation of 330,000,000 and 25,000 well paid people loose a job it isn't going to bring the country to a screaming hault.



What I'm saying is, this will set a precedant for the little that's left of american industry..any eventually the toyotas and hondas
Just like I said, GM and Ford are waiting to see what happens, and then implement similar cuts. And so on and so forth

Plus, this will impact other companies with Union labor. Vi.. think Rockwell in CR, Maytag or Amana in central Iowa...and every other example nationwide.

This is the further evidence and action that is going to create a deeper class divide in the US
 

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Originally posted by: eakers
ps: those wages are ridiculous!
Toyota starts at $23.75/hour and they are non-union.

Then tell them to get a job at Toyota. The market will determine their value.