Dell: Exploding batteries are Sony's fault

[Coldkilla]

From a PS3 that wont sell, the whole rootkit thing, a PSP that don't sell UWD's, to being the major company to blame for the millions of exploding Dell Laptop batteries.

Link

How long before Sony dies?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Sony sucks.

 

[Coldkilla]

I say that they sell 10 Ps3's and have 599,990 that don't sell. They're so screwed

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
From a PS3 that wont sell, a PSP that don't sell UWD's, to being the major company to blame for the millions of exploding Dell Laptop batteries.

Link

How long before Sony dies?

You also forgot the whole rootkit issue.

 

[Coldkilla]

Of course. The list goes on!! Added to main post.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Was anyone seriously injured by the exploding battery? IE. loss of limb?

 

[MX2]

Hey! I wanna jump on the "Sony Sucks" bandwagon. Is this the line?

 

[Coldkilla]

Do buy the laptop LoKe , and keep it on your lap for a few hours. When it explodes - come back and tell us how you feel.

 

[Queasy]

Well of course the PS3 won't sell! It isn't on the market yet!

 

[Coldkilla]

Correction: It "Wont" Sell (Meaning Future tense)..but when it IS on the market.

If I said "Isn't selling right now" then you can say it isn't on the market yet.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
You're honestly going to pay 600 dollars on a system that may preform slightly better, but cost 100s more, and have 10's of 1000s of a decrease in online players because no-one can afford the damn thing.

Absolutely because I plan on selling as many as I can on eBay for a huge profit.

 

[Goosemaster]

From what that article what stood out was:

sony: if you buy one of our VAIO laptops we assure you they will not explode because our products are better since we make them.


dell: if you buy one of our Dell Laptops we assure you that we know which ones will explode because are so successful and do so much business;knowing which ones will explode makes us better than out competitors because they do not know when theirs will explode

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
You're honestly going to pay 600 dollars on a system that may preform slightly better, but cost 100s more, and have 10's of 1000s of a decrease in online players because no-one can afford the damn thing.

Absolutely because I plan on selling as many as I can on eBay for a huge profit.

smart man

 

[Soccerman06]

Blame Sony, blame Sony, blame Sony blah blah blah, its Dells fault for not testing the batteries properly in the first place.

 

[BrokenVisage]

The batteries WERE Sony's fault, but I don't see it as being a sign of Sony's demise.

 

[DougK62]

Uhhh...Sony has always made mistakes and had stupid proprietary technologies. People still buy them. They aren't going away anytime soon...

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Blame Sony, blame Sony, blame Sony blah blah blah, its Dells fault for not testing the batteries properly in the first place.

The manufacture should be the one doing the testing in the first place.

 

[mpitts]

Of course, Apple had the same issue with Sony batteries, but somehow the anti-Mac people here will find Apple at fault.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Exploding batteries are Sony's fault

Sony's manufacturing process is at fault, but Dell is partly responsible because their design doesn't incorporate an active power management chip into the battery to constantly monitor power circumstances. Thinkpads do, they use Sony batteries, yet none have been recalled and you don't hear about them exploding. The active power management would completely shut down the battery if certain parameters got out of safety values, same with AC input.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: mpitts
Of course, Apple had the same issue with Sony batteries, but somehow the anti-Mac people here will find Apple at fault.

Yeah, but those Apple's blew up in a hip and edgy way.

 

[dudeman007]

That's Sony Style baby

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: LoKe
The manufacture should be the one doing the testing in the first place.

How? How can ANY manufacturer test for a part problem that occurs that infrequently? If you test 1 million parts and find no bad part, are you to blame for poor testing if the 1,000,001th part fails?

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: LoKe
The manufacture should be the one doing the testing in the first place.

How? How can ANY manufacturer test for a part problem that occurs that infrequently?

You obviously don't know what happened with the Dell batteries.

Lithium-Ion batteries are constructed with coated anode and cathode foils separated by thin layers of polymer material, said Dan Doughty, manager of the Advanced Power Sources Research and Development Department at Sandia National Laboratory.

"It looks like a jelly roll. You get a high surface area with thin layers. The thinner they go with the separators, the more room there is for the active material," Doughty said.

The coated layers are wound up on commercial machines to create the individual Li-ion cell, and it's at that stage that contaminants, such as metallic particals, can get embedded in the battery cell. The metallic particles mentioned by Sony and Dell may have been cast off by those commercial machines, he said.

Generally, the polymer separator is very thin -- less than 25 micron (one millionth of a meter) thick. If that is punctured by an electrically conductive material, like a metal particle, the battery cell's anode and cathode short circuit, Doughty said.

He said an internal short circuit was "the worst scenario in battery design, because there's nothing you can do to control it," he said. In contrast, manufacturers have a variety of measures to guard the battery contents from external threats, like ambient heat.

Based on its conversations with Dell, Sony strengthened and reinforced the protective barriers and lining of their battery cells to address the danger of metal particles piercing the lining of the cell, Clancy said.

http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=1303

EDIT But it is true that out of a few million batteries, one will melt. That wasn't this case.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

A wiiiiii bit away from death be they

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
A wiiiiii bit away from death be they

Maybe not death but definitely wounded. Prior to the announcement of the PS3 delays and shortages, Sony execs were predicting they'd turn a profit on the PS3 in five years. What happens now that they've delayed the launch in Europe and Japan and North America won't be seeing the promised 6 million units by March 07? That should push their projections out a year or more. This especially hurts because the games division was the one division that was consistently turning a profit for Sony.