Decriminalize Drugs ?

[preslove]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Ns1
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2003-2004 Deaths from Marijuana:

Just a few:
Detriot 83
Los Angeles 62
New Orleans 47
Newark - 37
New Hampshire - 16
Utah - 48

Even if I were to believe that those are deaths caused by using marijuana so what? Unless someone forced them at gunpoint to ingest the pot they died doing what they wanted to do. I do not feel I am any more responsible to stop people from killing themselves using drugs than I am responsible for stopping someone from killing themselves base jumping, rock climbing, sky diving, or pretty much any other risky endeavor a free person chooses to engage in.

i was simply rebutting an ignorant statement made by a previous poster that marijuana has never caused a death.

You = Idiot

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: sao123
i was simply rebutting an ignorant statement made by a previous poster that marijuana has never caused a death.

I suppose I will concede your point, even though I have no idea how they define marijuana related deaths, seeing as how I have TRIED to OD on marijuana.


It's an interesting study seeing as how there is no other information readily available on the internet to back it up.

//edit

^^

I see they've done the research for me.

Why would you concede his point when he wrong?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: preslove

Why would you concede his point when he wrong?

Cuz I was typing my reply while other people were doing the research.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

 

[dbk]

It really doesn't matter what we think because Washington won't let it happen.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

Please quote from the links you provided, mr idiot.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: sao123
driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

In that case we should ban religion since it's clearly the most dangerous out of all drugs.

Drugs don't kill people, stupidity kills people.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: dbk
It really doesn't matter what we think because Washington won't let it happen.

Those old farts have to croak eventually...or if they just get pressured enough / voted out.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

so I guess DUI accidents arent caused by alcohol?
The drug does not have to be the absolute single cause of death: if its a contributing factor then IMO it is a valid cause.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

Agreed. It will not work here. And it has become a failure in Holland where criminal gangs are taking over the drug distribution business (surprise, surprise). The Mexican gangs are already growing pot on American federal lands. This will only further enrich them.

That's why decriminalization doesn't work. You've made taking the drug essentially legal but selling it isn't. If you're going to legalize the use you've got to legalize the sale. If WalMart sold pot the dealers would be out of business overnight.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

so I guess DUI accidents arent caused by alcohol?
The drug does not have to be the absolute single cause of death: if its a contributing factor then IMO it is a valid cause.

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

Marijuana slows your thinking and reaction reflexed.
Alcohol slows your thinking and reaction reflexes.

and yes, you can be charged with DUI for driving with benedryl in your system if it results in impaired driving.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

Agreed. It will not work here. And it has become a failure in Holland where criminal gangs are taking over the drug distribution business (surprise, surprise). The Mexican gangs are already growing pot on American federal lands. This will only further enrich them.

That's why decriminalization doesn't work. You've made taking the drug essentially legal but selling it isn't. If you're going to legalize the use you've got to legalize the sale. If WalMart sold pot the dealers would be out of business overnight.

Sam's Select Blend? :laugh:

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

so I guess DUI accidents arent caused by alcohol?
The drug does not have to be the absolute single cause of death: if its a contributing factor then IMO it is a valid cause.

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

The thing is, sao123 is lying about those scenarios. Looking through the links, that information is not there.

So, not only is sao123 an idiot, but a blatant liar. The dude found some studies that he didn't read, posted numbers he didn't understand, and then claimed they included information that they do not include.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

Agreed. It will not work here. And it has become a failure in Holland where criminal gangs are taking over the drug distribution business (surprise, surprise). The Mexican gangs are already growing pot on American federal lands. This will only further enrich them.

That's why decriminalization doesn't work. You've made taking the drug essentially legal but selling it isn't. If you're going to legalize the use you've got to legalize the sale. If WalMart sold pot the dealers would be out of business overnight.

Sam's Select Blend? :laugh:

Great Value! Hash 😉

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

The only relationship I can come up with to match what's being said regarding marijuana use and death is that sao has stated his stance against all forms of intoxication, cannabis intoxication included. Thus, one could make the argument that the intoxication, via such avenues as decreased inhibition, slowed cognitive processing, and/or diminished judgment, contributed to and/or directly brought about death.

It's a stretch, and there are plenty of "what ifs," but I suppose it's tenable with adequate empirical support.

As for depression, I personally don't know a great deal regarding what the literature says about the effects of marijuana intoxication on individuals with depression. My guess would be that marijuana use in depressed individuals is correlated with higher rates of attempted suicide. Then again, this phenomenon is not at all restricted to marijuana, as substance use/abuse in general is correlated with higher rates of suicide, and extracting the causal relationship (if present) is especially difficult in these situations.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

so I guess DUI accidents arent caused by alcohol?
The drug does not have to be the absolute single cause of death: if its a contributing factor then IMO it is a valid cause.

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

The thing is, sao123 is lying about those scenarios. Looking through the links, that information is not there.

So, not only is sao123 an idiot, but a blatant liar. The dude found some studies that he didn't read, posted numbers he didn't understand, and then claimed they included information that they do not include.

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[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

The only relationship I can come up with to match what's being said regarding marijuana use and death is that sao has stated his stance against all forms of intoxication, cannabis intoxication included. Thus, one could make the argument that the intoxication, via such avenues as decreased inhibition, slowed cognitive processing, and/or diminished judgment, contributed to and/or directly brought about death.

It's a stretch, and there are plenty of "what ifs," but I suppose it's tenable with adequate empirical support.

As for depression, I personally don't know a great deal regarding what the literature says about the effects of marijuana intoxication on individuals with depression. My guess would be that marijuana use in depressed individuals is correlated with higher rates of attempted suicide. Then again, this phenomenon is not at all restricted to marijuana, as substance use/abuse in general is correlated with higher rates of suicide, and extracting the causal relationship (if present) is especially difficult in these situations.

That's well said, if I could tack on this I'd like to:

Marijuana is a depressant, true, so in some situations I'll concede it can make your depression deepen, but other cases that involve pain, or physical illness, it can lighten your depression by removing some of these hardships.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

The only relationship I can come up with to match what's being said regarding marijuana use and death is that sao has stated his stance against all forms of intoxication, cannabis intoxication included. Thus, one could make the argument that the intoxication, via such avenues as decreased inhibition, slowed cognitive processing, and/or diminished judgment, contributed to and/or directly brought about death.

It's a stretch, and there are plenty of "what ifs," but I suppose it's tenable with adequate empirical support.

As for depression, I personally don't know a great deal regarding what the literature says about the effects of marijuana intoxication on individuals with depression. My guess would be that marijuana use in depressed individuals is correlated with higher rates of attempted suicide. Then again, this phenomenon is not at all restricted to marijuana, as substance use/abuse in general is correlated with higher rates of suicide, and extracting the causal relationship (if present) is especially difficult in these situations.

That's well said, if I could tack on this I'd like to:

Marijuana is a depressant, true, so in some situations I'll concede it can make your depression deepen, but other cases that involve pain, or physical illness, it can lighten your depression by removing some of these hardships.

This is why it's especially difficult to parsimoniously attribute any form of causality in research examining depression, substance use/abuse, and suicidality. It's possible that there are direct relationships between all three variables, and it's also very possible that there are moderating and mediating variables affecting the effects of these variables on one another, and on various other aspects of life.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

The only relationship I can come up with to match what's being said regarding marijuana use and death is that sao has stated his stance against all forms of intoxication, cannabis intoxication included. Thus, one could make the argument that the intoxication, via such avenues as decreased inhibition, slowed cognitive processing, and/or diminished judgment, contributed to and/or directly brought about death.

It's a stretch, and there are plenty of "what ifs," but I suppose it's tenable with adequate empirical support.

As for depression, I personally don't know a great deal regarding what the literature says about the effects of marijuana intoxication on individuals with depression. My guess would be that marijuana use in depressed individuals is correlated with higher rates of attempted suicide. Then again, this phenomenon is not at all restricted to marijuana, as substance use/abuse in general is correlated with higher rates of suicide, and extracting the causal relationship (if present) is especially difficult in these situations.

That's well said, if I could tack on this I'd like to:

Marijuana is a depressant, true, so in some situations I'll concede it can make your depression deepen, but other cases that involve pain, or physical illness, it can lighten your depression by removing some of these hardships.

This is why it's especially difficult to parsimoniously attribute any form of causality in research examining depression, substance use/abuse, and suicidality. It's possible that there are direct relationships between all three variables, and it's also very possible that there are moderating and mediating variables affecting the effects of these variables on one another, and on various other aspects of life.

Much of being in a human involves moderation and knowing yourself, so in the end it is up to us to do what is in our own best interest. The drug companies often struggle in developing effective and safe treatments as each and every one of us is slightly different and are variables in a huge unsolvable equation.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

Marijuana slows your thinking and reaction reflexed.
Alcohol slows your thinking and reaction reflexes.

and yes, you can be charged with DUI for driving with benedryl in your system if it results in impaired driving.

Too bad the studies you linked to don't include this information.

In fact, this information is impossible to obtain, since marijuana screenings only show that a person has gotten high within a few weeks. There is no way to prove someone is high on weed in the labratory.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
That's well said, if I could tack on this I'd like to:

Marijuana is a depressant, true, so in some situations I'll concede it can make your depression deepen, but other cases that involve pain, or physical illness, it can lighten your depression by removing some of these hardships.

Honestly, I would be more inclined to believe that substance abuse is more often a result of depression rather than depression being a result of substance abuse anyway. If the drugs aren't the cause of the depression in the first place, then why do we fixate on them as such?

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Much of being in a human involves moderation and knowing yourself, so in the end it is up to us to do what is in our own best interest. The drug companies often struggle in developing effective and safe treatments as each and every one of us is slightly different and are variables in a huge unsolvable equation.

Such are the joys of conducting research in human samples 🙂

 

[lupi]

Yeah drug regulative never works. How is the drug problem in singapore or saudi arabia?