Decriminalize Drugs ?

[kstu]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: kstu

Originally posted by: lupi
yeah, we'll I'll just hold my breath the moment it becomes a non criminal offense to use or poses an amount for personal consumption as the flock moves as one to treatment centers.

Yep, right after they kill small children and rape all the women. All because of that evil marijuana.

people do that now, what's your point?

Simply extolling the dangers of that filthy, disgusting plant.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: kstu

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: kstu

Originally posted by: lupi
yeah, we'll I'll just hold my breath the moment it becomes a non criminal offense to use or poses an amount for personal consumption as the flock moves as one to treatment centers.

Yep, right after they kill small children and rape all the women. All because of that evil marijuana.

people do that now, what's your point?

Simply extolling the dangers of that filthy, disgusting plant.

I would think that plenty of animals are killed and raped (I'm thinking cows inseminated with human fists up their asses according to dirty jobs) to create the foods eaten when the side effect of "munchies" rears its ugly head.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I was in Lisboa last summer and there was no shortage of people trying to sell drugs to tourists I can tell you that...not that the street cafe owners were any better of course.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Putting pot smokers in jail and paying for their jailing with tax payer money is stupid. PERIOD!

Yeah, I don't really see why everyone wants to punish the users for using. Do people really care that much if their neighbor tokes up after work?

 

[IGBT]

if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Yep, if we just prohibit intoxicants all of society's ills will fade away... that's what the alcohol prohibitionists thought a century ago. And they were wrong, just the same as you are.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: lupi
has no correlation on what the effect here would be or about "nightmare scenarios". They did not legalize it and still go after distributors, the retards around here want everyone to be free to buy/use at any time.

It has a huge correlation. It shows that if you focus on treatment vs punishment you can reduce usage and related crime. Something we have not been able to do.

It goes after the dealers vs the users.

The consumption, acquisition and
possession for one?s own consumption
of plants, substances or preparations

The key phrase??for one?s own consumption??is defined in Article 2(2), as a quantity
?not exceeding the quantity required for an average individual consumption during a period of 10 days.? Decriminalization does not apply to ?drug trafficking,? which remains criminalized and is defined as ?possession of more than the average dose for ten days of use.?

and that's where you are missing the point. those users will just stay angry at the system because you are still interdicting their supply.

That is not what the results prove. You have a theory, they have data.

You give him too much credit. Stupid, backward and irrational ideology doesn't constitute a theory. Combine that with syntax that would shame a 3rd grader and the irony that he would call anyone retarded becomes stunning.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

well actually yes... well far more so than all the lethargic potheads whose asses are stuck to the chairs.

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

well actually yes... well far more so than all the lethargic potheads whose asses are stuck to the chairs.

Bush..
Clinton..
Obama..
Virtually all artists..

Hell let's just bring out a list:

? Abbie Hoffman
? Abraham Lincoln. On a Hohner box cover but disputed.
? Al Gore.
? Aldous Huxley
? Aleister Crowley
? Alexander Dumas
? Alice B. Toklas
? Allen Ginsberg. Poet.
? Alexis Korner. Musician.
? Andy Warhol. Artist.
? Annita Roddock. Founder 'The Body Shop'.
? Anjelica Huston. Hollywood actress. Jack Nicholson's girlfriend for 17 years. Pro-drug statements by her in Peter McWilliams book, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country'.
? Arthur Conan Doyle. Author, creator 'Sherlock Holmes'.
? Aswad. Musicians.
? Beatles.
? Bill Clinton.
? Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in the Playboy interview
? Bill Murray Arrested for possession
? Bob Denver.
? Bob Dylan. Poet, singer, song writer.
? Bob Marley. Poet, singer, song writer.
? The Bishop of Monmouth.
? Brian Eno. Singer, song writer. Signed 'Independent' list.
? Boy George.
? British Lords & MP's - too many to list .
? Buddy Rich.
? Cab Calloway. Jazz musician.
? Carl Sagan. Author.
? Caroline my excellent compatriot. Artist, founder 'Release', manager of the Clash.
? Carl Segan . Author.
? Carlos Santana. Musician, guitarist.
? Carrie Fischer.
? Cary Grant.
? Cary Mullis. Nobel Laurate, Biology
? Charles Beaudelaire
? Charles Dickens. Claims but no evdience.
? Cheech Marin.
? Chris Armstrong. Footballer, tested positive.
? Chris Conrad.
? Chris Farley. 60's singer.
? Chris Rock.
? Conan O'Brian.
? Count Basie. Jazz legend.
? Dame Ruth Runsiman. Author; Police Federation Report (March 2000) advising liberlization.
? Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd.
? Dave 'Tinki Winky' Thompson - TV personality (UK); the Tellie Tubbie that was sacked.
? Diego Rivera.
? Dion Fortune.
? Dioscorides.
? Dizzy Gillespie.
? Douglas Adams. Author.
? Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
? Dr Lester Grinspoon.
? Dr Mark Porter. TV doctor who says cannabis is not more harmful than alcohol.
? Dr Anne Biezanek (authoress)
? Dr R.D.Laing.
? Dr John Marks
? Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy.
? Drew Barrymore.
? Duke Ellington.
? Eddie Ellison. Ex head of Scotland Yard Drug Squad.
? Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user.
? Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer.
? Emperor Liu Chi-nu.
? Emperor Shen-Nung.
? Ernest Hemmingway. Author.
? Errol Flynn.
? Fela Kuti. Musician. Afro/jazz king.
? Felix Dennis. Publisher.
? Fitz Hugh Ludlow.
? Fran Healey. Musician; Travis.
? Francis Ford Coppella.
? Francis Rabelais.
? Francis Wilkinson. Ex Chief Constable of Gwent Police.
? Fredreich Nietzshe.
? Ganesh - Hindu God.
? Gary Johnson.
? Gene Krupa.
? George Clinton. Ex President's brother.
? George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite.
? George Gurdjieff.
? George Melly. Jazz musician (early sponsor of Legalise Cannabis Campaign, Uk).
? George Michael. Singer.
? George Washington.
? George Soros.
? Gerard de Nerval.
? Gilberto Gil. Brazilian musical icon.
? The Greatful Dead.
? Hasan I-Sabah.
? Heinrich Khunrath.
? Helen Petrova Blavatsky.
? Henri Michaux.
? Herman Hesse.
? Hiero the Second.
? Howard Marks. Author, cannabis smuggller.
? Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio.
? Hua T'o.
? Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush.
? Ian Botham. Convicted Cricket legend.
? Irvine Welsh.
? Kurt Cobain.
? Jabir Ibn el-Hayyan.
? Jack Herer. Author 'The Emporor Wears No Cloths'
? Jack Kerouac. Author ' On the Road'.
? Jack Nicholson. Film actor.
? Jackie Gleason.
? Jackson Pollock.
? Jane Fonda. Actress.
? James Brown. Singer, song writer.
? Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer.
? Jesse 0Ventura.
? Jerry Lee Lewis. Musician, song writer.
? Jimmy Dorsey.
? Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writer
? Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors.
? Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis).
? Joan Rivers.
? Joe Strummer. Musician, singer, songer writer; The Clash.
? John Belushi.
? John Denver.
? John F Kennedy. Popular US president (assassinated).
? John Keats. Poet.
? John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
? John Le Mesurier. Tried it but said it's not for him.
? Johnny Cash.
? John Peel. DJ, BBC broadcaster.
? John Sinclair.
? Judge John L. Kane. Chief Judge from the US District Court
? Julie Christie. Actress.
? Jules Verne.
? John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.'
? Kelsey Grammar.
? Ken Livingston. Mayor of London - supports decriminalisation but does not smoke or support the use of recreational drugs.
? Kirk Douglas. Actor.
? Kurt Cobain.
? Larry Adler. Harmonica player and
friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it.
? Lenny Bruce. Comedian.
? Lewis Carroll. Author 'Alice in Wonderland'.
? Linda St Clair
? Little Richard. Musician.
? Lord Avebury.
? Lord Byron. Poet.
? Lord Deedes.
? Lord Tony Gifford. QC, civil rights lawyer.
? Louis Armstrong. 'Oh what a wonderful world'.
? Louis Hebert.
? Mark Thomas . Comedian.
? Marlon Brando. Actor.
? Martin Sheen.
? Mary Shelly. Author 'Frankinstein'.
? Mary Tyler Moore.
? Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones.
? Michael Mansfield QC. Lawyer.
? Jade Jagger.
? JC 100. Fastest rapper in the west.
? JT Moore. Legendary white rasta guitarist.
? Mike Tyson.
? Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer.
? Mo Mowlan. Genuine honest politician.
? Modigliani. Sculptor.
? Montgomery Clift. Mentioned in his biography.
? Neil Diamond.
? Nick Hornby. Author.
? Niel Young. Musician.
? Norman Mailer. Author.
? Oasis. Rock band.
? Oliver Stone.
? Oscar Wilde. Poet.
? Pablo Picasso. Artist.
? Pancho Villa. Mexican bandit revolutionary.
? Paul Flynn. Uk Member of Parliament.
? Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
? Paul Simon. Musician, song writer.
? Pharoahs of Egypt. Traces in body samples.
? Phil Donohue.
? Phil Tufnell. Former test cricketer, now media celeb.
? Peter Fonda. Actor; 'Easy Rider'.
? Peter Sellers. Actor, comedian.
? Peter Tosh. Musician.
? Philip K. Dick. Science fiction author.
? Pierre Burton.
? Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
? Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters.
? Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' .
? Prince William.
? Prince Harry.
? Pythagoras.
? Queen Arnegunde.
? Queen Victoria. Used it for medical purposes.
? Ram Dass.
? Ray Charles. Musician.
? Rev Kenneth Leech.
? Richard Branson. 'Virgin'. Entreprenur.
? Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.
? Richard Prior.
? Richard Wilson. Actor; 'One Foot in the Grave'.
? Rimbaud. Author.
? Robert Burns. Mentioned it in a poem.
? Robert 'King' Carter. Grower.
? Robert Anton Wilson. Author.
? Robert Mitchum. Jailed 90 days for possession of marijuana, 1949.
? Roger McGough. 60's liverpool poet.
? Rolling Stones. Rock band.
? Ronnie Scot. Jazz club owner, musician, busted on stage 1958, at his club in Soho, London.
? S Club 7. 'Super clean' pop band, busted in Soho, very embarrassing.
? Salvador Dali. Artist.
? Samuel Beckett.
? Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Poet.
? Shen Nung. One of the fathers of Chinese medicine. 2700 B.C .
? Sinead O'Connor. Singer.
? Sidi-Hidi.
? Sigmun Freud. Shrink.
? Sonny Bono.
? Super Furry Animals. Welsh band who wrote a song about Howard Marks.
? Stephen King.
? Sting/Gordon Sumners.
? Tariq Ali. Activist Writer.
? Tenessee Williams. Author.
? Terence McKenna. Author.
? Terry Gilliam. Actor, comedian;Monty Python.
? The Who. Rock band.
? Thelonius Monk.
? Thomas Jefferson.
? Timothy Leary.
? Tom Lehrer.
? Top Tories. Senior members of the shadow cabinet.
? Tony Elliot. Publisher, 'Time Out.
? Tracy Blevins. Artist.
? Tuppy Gore.
? UB40. Band.
? Victor Hugo.
? Vincent Van Gogh. Artist.
? Walt Disney. Cartoonist.
? Walter Benjamin.
? Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.
? William Burroughs. Author, poet, artist.
? Will Self. Author. Did smack on Blairs plane.
? William Shakespeare. Playwright.
? William Straw. UK Home Sec Jack Straw's son. Cautioned for supplying undercover journalists in pub 'shocker'.
? Willie Nelson.
? Winston Churchill. British Prime Minister, poet, artist & multi drug user.
? Woody Harrelson. Actor. Features in a book on growing medical marijuana .
? Zoroaster. Persian prophet.

Yup, the definition of lethargic. Someone should have helped them get their asses off from their chairs.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Dragula22

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

well actually yes... well far more so than all the lethargic potheads whose asses are stuck to the chairs.

Bush..
Clinton..
Obama..
Virtually all artists..

Hell let's just bring out a list:

? Abbie Hoffman
? Abraham Lincoln. On a Hohner box cover but disputed.
? Al Gore.
? Aldous Huxley
? Aleister Crowley
? Alexander Dumas
? Alice B. Toklas
? Allen Ginsberg. Poet.
? Alexis Korner. Musician.
? Andy Warhol. Artist.
? Annita Roddock. Founder 'The Body Shop'.
? Anjelica Huston. Hollywood actress. Jack Nicholson's girlfriend for 17 years. Pro-drug statements by her in Peter McWilliams book, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country'.
? Arthur Conan Doyle. Author, creator 'Sherlock Holmes'.
? Aswad. Musicians.
? Beatles.
? Bill Clinton.
? Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in the Playboy interview
? Bill Murray Arrested for possession
? Bob Denver.
? Bob Dylan. Poet, singer, song writer.
? Bob Marley. Poet, singer, song writer.
? The Bishop of Monmouth.
? Brian Eno. Singer, song writer. Signed 'Independent' list.
? Boy George.
? British Lords & MP's - too many to list .
? Buddy Rich.
? Cab Calloway. Jazz musician.
? Carl Sagan. Author.
? Caroline my excellent compatriot. Artist, founder 'Release', manager of the Clash.
? Carl Segan . Author.
? Carlos Santana. Musician, guitarist.
? Carrie Fischer.
? Cary Grant.
? Cary Mullis. Nobel Laurate, Biology
? Charles Beaudelaire
? Charles Dickens. Claims but no evdience.
? Cheech Marin.
? Chris Armstrong. Footballer, tested positive.
? Chris Conrad.
? Chris Farley. 60's singer.
? Chris Rock.
? Conan O'Brian.
? Count Basie. Jazz legend.
? Dame Ruth Runsiman. Author; Police Federation Report (March 2000) advising liberlization.
? Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd.
? Dave 'Tinki Winky' Thompson - TV personality (UK); the Tellie Tubbie that was sacked.
? Diego Rivera.
? Dion Fortune.
? Dioscorides.
? Dizzy Gillespie.
? Douglas Adams. Author.
? Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
? Dr Lester Grinspoon.
? Dr Mark Porter. TV doctor who says cannabis is not more harmful than alcohol.
? Dr Anne Biezanek (authoress)
? Dr R.D.Laing.
? Dr John Marks
? Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy.
? Drew Barrymore.
? Duke Ellington.
? Eddie Ellison. Ex head of Scotland Yard Drug Squad.
? Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user.
? Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer.
? Emperor Liu Chi-nu.
? Emperor Shen-Nung.
? Ernest Hemmingway. Author.
? Errol Flynn.
? Fela Kuti. Musician. Afro/jazz king.
? Felix Dennis. Publisher.
? Fitz Hugh Ludlow.
? Fran Healey. Musician; Travis.
? Francis Ford Coppella.
? Francis Rabelais.
? Francis Wilkinson. Ex Chief Constable of Gwent Police.
? Fredreich Nietzshe.
? Ganesh - Hindu God.
? Gary Johnson.
? Gene Krupa.
? George Clinton. Ex President's brother.
? George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite.
? George Gurdjieff.
? George Melly. Jazz musician (early sponsor of Legalise Cannabis Campaign, Uk).
? George Michael. Singer.
? George Washington.
? George Soros.
? Gerard de Nerval.
? Gilberto Gil. Brazilian musical icon.
? The Greatful Dead.
? Hasan I-Sabah.
? Heinrich Khunrath.
? Helen Petrova Blavatsky.
? Henri Michaux.
? Herman Hesse.
? Hiero the Second.
? Howard Marks. Author, cannabis smuggller.
? Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio.
? Hua T'o.
? Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush.
? Ian Botham. Convicted Cricket legend.
? Irvine Welsh.
? Kurt Cobain.
? Jabir Ibn el-Hayyan.
? Jack Herer. Author 'The Emporor Wears No Cloths'
? Jack Kerouac. Author ' On the Road'.
? Jack Nicholson. Film actor.
? Jackie Gleason.
? Jackson Pollock.
? Jane Fonda. Actress.
? James Brown. Singer, song writer.
? Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer.
? Jesse 0Ventura.
? Jerry Lee Lewis. Musician, song writer.
? Jimmy Dorsey.
? Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writer
? Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors.
? Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis).
? Joan Rivers.
? Joe Strummer. Musician, singer, songer writer; The Clash.
? John Belushi.
? John Denver.
? John F Kennedy. Popular US president (assassinated).
? John Keats. Poet.
? John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
? John Le Mesurier. Tried it but said it's not for him.
? Johnny Cash.
? John Peel. DJ, BBC broadcaster.
? John Sinclair.
? Judge John L. Kane. Chief Judge from the US District Court
? Julie Christie. Actress.
? Jules Verne.
? John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.'
? Kelsey Grammar.
? Ken Livingston. Mayor of London - supports decriminalisation but does not smoke or support the use of recreational drugs.
? Kirk Douglas. Actor.
? Kurt Cobain.
? Larry Adler. Harmonica player and
friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it.
? Lenny Bruce. Comedian.
? Lewis Carroll. Author 'Alice in Wonderland'.
? Linda St Clair
? Little Richard. Musician.
? Lord Avebury.
? Lord Byron. Poet.
? Lord Deedes.
? Lord Tony Gifford. QC, civil rights lawyer.
? Louis Armstrong. 'Oh what a wonderful world'.
? Louis Hebert.
? Mark Thomas . Comedian.
? Marlon Brando. Actor.
? Martin Sheen.
? Mary Shelly. Author 'Frankinstein'.
? Mary Tyler Moore.
? Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones.
? Michael Mansfield QC. Lawyer.
? Jade Jagger.
? JC 100. Fastest rapper in the west.
? JT Moore. Legendary white rasta guitarist.
? Mike Tyson.
? Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer.
? Mo Mowlan. Genuine honest politician.
? Modigliani. Sculptor.
? Montgomery Clift. Mentioned in his biography.
? Neil Diamond.
? Nick Hornby. Author.
? Niel Young. Musician.
? Norman Mailer. Author.
? Oasis. Rock band.
? Oliver Stone.
? Oscar Wilde. Poet.
? Pablo Picasso. Artist.
? Pancho Villa. Mexican bandit revolutionary.
? Paul Flynn. Uk Member of Parliament.
? Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
? Paul Simon. Musician, song writer.
? Pharoahs of Egypt. Traces in body samples.
? Phil Donohue.
? Phil Tufnell. Former test cricketer, now media celeb.
? Peter Fonda. Actor; 'Easy Rider'.
? Peter Sellers. Actor, comedian.
? Peter Tosh. Musician.
? Philip K. Dick. Science fiction author.
? Pierre Burton.
? Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
? Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters.
? Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' .
? Prince William.
? Prince Harry.
? Pythagoras.
? Queen Arnegunde.
? Queen Victoria. Used it for medical purposes.
? Ram Dass.
? Ray Charles. Musician.
? Rev Kenneth Leech.
? Richard Branson. 'Virgin'. Entreprenur.
? Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.
? Richard Prior.
? Richard Wilson. Actor; 'One Foot in the Grave'.
? Rimbaud. Author.
? Robert Burns. Mentioned it in a poem.
? Robert 'King' Carter. Grower.
? Robert Anton Wilson. Author.
? Robert Mitchum. Jailed 90 days for possession of marijuana, 1949.
? Roger McGough. 60's liverpool poet.
? Rolling Stones. Rock band.
? Ronnie Scot. Jazz club owner, musician, busted on stage 1958, at his club in Soho, London.
? S Club 7. 'Super clean' pop band, busted in Soho, very embarrassing.
? Salvador Dali. Artist.
? Samuel Beckett.
? Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Poet.
? Shen Nung. One of the fathers of Chinese medicine. 2700 B.C .
? Sinead O'Connor. Singer.
? Sidi-Hidi.
? Sigmun Freud. Shrink.
? Sonny Bono.
? Super Furry Animals. Welsh band who wrote a song about Howard Marks.
? Stephen King.
? Sting/Gordon Sumners.
? Tariq Ali. Activist Writer.
? Tenessee Williams. Author.
? Terence McKenna. Author.
? Terry Gilliam. Actor, comedian;Monty Python.
? The Who. Rock band.
? Thelonius Monk.
? Thomas Jefferson.
? Timothy Leary.
? Tom Lehrer.
? Top Tories. Senior members of the shadow cabinet.
? Tony Elliot. Publisher, 'Time Out.
? Tracy Blevins. Artist.
? Tuppy Gore.
? UB40. Band.
? Victor Hugo.
? Vincent Van Gogh. Artist.
? Walt Disney. Cartoonist.
? Walter Benjamin.
? Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.
? William Burroughs. Author, poet, artist.
? Will Self. Author. Did smack on Blairs plane.
? William Shakespeare. Playwright.
? William Straw. UK Home Sec Jack Straw's son. Cautioned for supplying undercover journalists in pub 'shocker'.
? Willie Nelson.
? Winston Churchill. British Prime Minister, poet, artist & multi drug user.
? Woody Harrelson. Actor. Features in a book on growing medical marijuana .
? Zoroaster. Persian prophet.

Yup, the definition of lethargic. Someone should have helped them get their asses off from their chairs.

:thumbsup:

Not to mention some people can actually function much better.

Have you ever suffered from a disease that caused constant nausea, sao123? I have family that has, and it helps them cope.

 

[lupi]

What this thread needs is more chain email material.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

well actually yes... well far more so than all the lethargic potheads whose asses are stuck to the chairs.

Bwhaha...Ok Sao, I'll give you credit for coming back to these threads after you've been owned so badly in every other thread. Although you're predictable, you also intrigue me a little. I wonder what someone went through to create such a close minded person like yourself.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

Agreed. It will not work here. And it has become a failure in Holland where criminal gangs are taking over the drug distribution business (surprise, surprise). The Mexican gangs are already growing pot on American federal lands. This will only further enrich them.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

cigarettes and alcohol kill more people in the US than all illegal drugs combined.

This a was a gem:

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

And it hits on the point exactly. If you put pot smokers in jaail, they are not being rehabilited. Drug abusers are sick. They are not criminals. They need help.

 

[lupi]

Jail sentences should be reserved based on the severity of the act conducted. Like so many other bad ideas when you sprout a big government, immovable minimum sentences and such are as much a problem and an aide. You want to rot your mind and live in a green haze, then just toss a big fine on them everytime they are caught. There are plenty of programs out there that you could walk up to and receive treatment. If you don't want to, hope your checking account is looking good.

 

[wwswimming]

i wonder what would happen in Mexico if America de-criminalized possession.

until domestic manufacturing is allowed, you'd still have drug gangs fighting over
"rights" to distribute.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

well actually yes... well far more so than all the lethargic potheads whose asses are stuck to the chairs.

Bwhaha...Ok Sao, I'll give you credit for coming back to these threads after you've been owned so badly in every other thread. Although you're predictable, you also intrigue me a little. I wonder what someone went through to create such a close minded person like yourself.

Must have been drugs.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

well actually yes... well far more so than all the lethargic potheads whose asses are stuck to the chairs.

Bwhaha...Ok Sao, I'll give you credit for coming back to these threads after you've been owned so badly in every other thread. Although you're predictable, you also intrigue me a little. I wonder what someone went through to create such a close minded person like yourself.

well... my father has been a pastor for going on 30 years, many people have and still do come to him for counciling. I've seen first hand, almost a quarter centurys worth of peoples whose lives and families were ruined by addiction to drugs and alcohol - overdose, rapes & other sex abuses, jailed for fighting, physical and verbal abuse of family, unwed/unwanted pregnancies, divorces, people losing their jobs/houses, etc.


It might be peoples rights to fuck up their own lives, but ill be damned if I just sit and watch it happen. its fun for individuals, its destructive for families. go sit in an addiction center for a few days, listen to sob story after sob story, and then call me closed minded.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

Agreed. It will not work here. And it has become a failure in Holland where criminal gangs are taking over the drug distribution business (surprise, surprise). The Mexican gangs are already growing pot on American federal lands. This will only further enrich them.

Here's an idea that no one has thought of: Make it legal and control it ourselves.

Money for us. None for drug cartels. People don't go to jail for using it. Money that was used for enforcement can be used for meaningful purposes.

As shown by other countries, usage may increase slightly but if your against it now, are you going to go out and use it if it's legal? I doubt it. So what's the problem?

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: sao123
well... my father has been a pastor for going on 30 years, many people have and still do come to him for counciling. I've seen first hand, almost a quarter centurys worth of peoples whose lives and families were ruined by addiction to drugs and alcohol - overdose, rapes & other sex abuses, jailed for fighting, physical and verbal abuse of family, unwed/unwanted pregnancies, divorces, people losing their jobs/houses, etc.


It might be peoples rights to fuck up their own lives, but ill be damned if I just sit and watch it happen. its fun for individuals, its destructive for families. go sit in an addiction center for a few days, listen to sob story after sob story, and then call me closed minded.

And for every person who has a sob story like this, there are 10 who it didn't affect their lives much at all. Ever been to a college campus?

Also, every problem you described above goes hand in hand with being an alcoholic (which you did mention). Do you also oppose the sale of alcohol, and would be willing to pass a law with long jail sentences for any person who drinks it?

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

Agreed. It will not work here. And it has become a failure in Holland where criminal gangs are taking over the drug distribution business (surprise, surprise). The Mexican gangs are already growing pot on American federal lands. This will only further enrich them.

Here's an idea that no one has thought of: Make it legal and control it ourselves.

Money for us. None for drug cartels. People don't go to jail for using it. Money that was used for enforcement can be used for meaningful purposes.

As shown by other countries, usage may increase slightly but if your against it now, are you going to go out and use it if it's legal? I doubt it. So what's the problem?

Honestly, that's really the only way that I think you'd cut down on the criminal activity behind the scenes. It's hard to compare drugs to alcohol/cigarettes because drugs don't have Budweisers and Philip Morris type companies which are fully established, legal entities watched by a whole slew of government regulatory bodies producing and distrubuting them.

Until that regulated distribution exists, the seedy side of that market is going to exist.

 

[kstu]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: sao123
well... my father has been a pastor for going on 30 years, many people have and still do come to him for counciling. I've seen first hand, almost a quarter centurys worth of peoples whose lives and families were ruined by addiction to drugs and alcohol - overdose, rapes & other sex abuses, jailed for fighting, physical and verbal abuse of family, unwed/unwanted pregnancies, divorces, people losing their jobs/houses, etc.


It might be peoples rights to fuck up their own lives, but ill be damned if I just sit and watch it happen. its fun for individuals, its destructive for families. go sit in an addiction center for a few days, listen to sob story after sob story, and then call me closed minded.

And for every person who has a sob story like this, there are 10 who it didn't affect their lives much at all. Ever been to a college campus?

Also, every problem you described above goes hand in hand with being an alcoholic (which you did mention). Do you also oppose the sale of alcohol, and would be willing to pass a law with long jail sentences for any person who drinks it?

I guess you aren't too familiar with our friend sao. The answer is yes, to that question and any other that deals with personal freedoms. Oh, except for food. Our boy sao is an eater.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: sao123
well... my father has been a pastor for going on 30 years, many people have and still do come to him for counciling. I've seen first hand, almost a quarter centurys worth of peoples whose lives and families were ruined by addiction to drugs and alcohol - overdose, rapes & other sex abuses, jailed for fighting, physical and verbal abuse of family, unwed/unwanted pregnancies, divorces, people losing their jobs/houses, etc.


It might be peoples rights to fuck up their own lives, but ill be damned if I just sit and watch it happen. its fun for individuals, its destructive for families. go sit in an addiction center for a few days, listen to sob story after sob story, and then call me closed minded.

And for every person who has a sob story like this, there are 10 who it didn't affect their lives much at all. Ever been to a college campus?

Also, every problem you described above goes hand in hand with being an alcoholic (which you did mention). Do you also oppose the sale of alcohol, and would be willing to pass a law with long jail sentences for any person who drinks it?

If your in college, you probably have not been using long enough for it to affect you YET... use it long enough and it will eventually affect 100% of all users in some way shape or form.

we've already hashed this subject in other threads... yes, i would support laws opposing the sale of alcohol.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: IGBT
if you have a desire to intoxicate, you have a problem that needs rehab. Legal or otherwise.

Bet you're the life of the party.

well actually yes... well far more so than all the lethargic potheads whose asses are stuck to the chairs.

Bwhaha...Ok Sao, I'll give you credit for coming back to these threads after you've been owned so badly in every other thread. Although you're predictable, you also intrigue me a little. I wonder what someone went through to create such a close minded person like yourself.

well... my father has been a pastor for going on 30 years, many people have and still do come to him for counciling. I've seen first hand, almost a quarter centurys worth of peoples whose lives and families were ruined by addiction to drugs and alcohol - overdose, rapes & other sex abuses, jailed for fighting, physical and verbal abuse of family, unwed/unwanted pregnancies, divorces, people losing their jobs/houses, etc.


It might be peoples rights to fuck up their own lives, but ill be damned if I just sit and watch it happen. its fun for individuals, its destructive for families. go sit in an addiction center for a few days, listen to sob story after sob story, and then call me closed minded.

Are you an prohibitionist? You would seek to make illegal all recreational drugs including alcohol?

If so, what do you feel is the percentage of the population that imbibes of the evils of intoxication that also falls victim to it ruining their families, overdose, rapes & other sex abuses, or any of the other stuff you listed?

EDIT: wow, 100%