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debating to get radeon 9800 pro vs. Geforce FX5900 Ultra

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Are you referring to the benchmarks that were done on unprepared ATi drivers?

Unprepared drivers? Well, Carmack didn't pull a Newell and make the testers use any particular driver, and all of the drivers that they would have even looked at came out long after ATi had a build of DooM3 to work with and test on so I'm not sure what you mean by unprepared drivers....?
 
cindy22, age ain't nothin' but a numba! And my number is 25."

agreed! I'm so fascinated by intellectual people, so far I've only seen a few here, besides mr. BFG10K and a few others you are one too.

Ouch. As I alluded to in the other "Cindy romance" thread, I would be fairly surprised if "Cindy" is a woman. Anything is possible I suppose, but over the years I haven't seen a whole lot of interest in bbs or gaming by women. I've seen a fair amount of creepy "guys" pretending to be women though. 🙁

I still think Cindy is Rogo's alter-ego and he's just playing you.
 
Originally posted by: cindy22
" I couldn't tell any differences in the 3D image for either card (9600 v 5900). "

of course because it's only in 3d , that's the exact same thing other articles and I said recently.


but in 2d or movies and working on graphics ati is more crisp and vibrant than nvidia .

[snip]

Not all replies are in response to your post -- I was actually responding to the OP. In response to the 2D issues: I've found the the manufacturer has a lot to do with the output. My Gainward Ti4600 was noticeably better at 2D than my ATi-built 9600 Pro. And while the 5900 was the worst of the three, it takes a very critical eye to discern the difference.


For me stability was more important than marginally better 2D quality especially when you consider that I bought the card to play 3D games.


Chum
 
From the Poll:

ATI probs: 36 + 9.5 = 45.5 - 19.5 = 26

Nvidia probs: 9 + 9.5 = 18.5 - 19.5 = -1

Both probs: 19 (divide this in half and give each 9.5)

No probs
with either: 39 (divide this in half and take from each 19.5)

Any way you do the math, whether you like it or not, ATI has a much larger percentage of problems according to our forum users.
You dont even have to add (both probs) or (no probs) to see this. So, I really dont know what you were looking at. Or at least what kind of eyes you were using to look at it. Numbers don't lie. Neither do I.
 
" Like it matters, I only use a PCI slot for my Audigy. So I have plenty of room. Everything comes built in already, so that arguement is stupid "

1. you might not need the space but someone else might

Everyone that pretty much has a Athlon XP or Pentium 4 mobo most likely only uses, if they even use, a RAID controller and or a sound card.

"Doom has a custom back end that uses the lower precisions on the GF-FX, but when you run it with standard fragment programs just like ATI, it is a lot slower.
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There you have it folks, John Carmack said it himself that Nvidia will shine in Doom III compared to ATI. "

either your the stupidest person I know or your're the biggest bs there is you've turned what he says 180 degrees around !

I'm like windows, I have to interpret much chicken scratch and attempt to understand people's writing, having a hard time - and wondering why when this is college. And sometimes, I mess up.

And Nvidia is faster in OpenGL than ATI so, Nvidia will shine. So there.

if any one who read that whole review with carmack about half life 2 and doom 3 , they would know he's saying that ati is a much better and more future proof video card !

Future proof card, huh. So it's gonna support and run DX9.1 like a dream? No card is future-proof. They are outdated within months and truly trashed in a year - when newer cards that are quicker and support better special effects come out that your trash isn't capable of doing. What future?

Look at what lengths nvidia fanatics like vain goes too to try and give bs interpretation of things to try to make buying his nvidia card justifiable !

OK. ATICindy
 
I agree, nVidia seems to have designed their cards with the knowledge that they WILL perform exceptionally in next generation games. That remains to be seen, but if you look at the DoomIII sneak preview test on toms hardware guide the nVidia cards SMOKE the ATI cards. Oh yea, and its not really that big a deal as to who is winning the "battle of the graphics" now because when PCI-xpress comes out it's going to be a whole new playing field. AGP will be outdated, and the new cards will be the determining factor in both companies success.
 
LOL nvidiots fanatics that will lie call names and turn everthing 180 degrees they see 1 game like doom3 which only when using lower percision in that game to win, so they say nvidia will win in most new games

that's a bunch of bs ! and we know that while if using the standards it will lose just like in half life 2 and almost every new and future just look at recent benches or ones that disable cheats in nvidia and not old ones

think about it guys if nvidia is so good then why so many going over to ati and happy with their cards

and if nvidia's products so good then why do they cheat so much ! doesn't that make you go hmmmmm

rollo maybe your a girl too ? your upset, because you know I'm right and you've never seen a girl smarter than you.

keysplayr2003 - like I said before, you've brought your hardcore nvidia fanatics to vote with you, that's why there's so many nvidia fanatics here ,
and that poll is out of 100 nvidia fanatics here that lies, so it's not valid and isn't even official .

if you try using that poll in lets say rage3d , then you'll see more ati fanatics and ati will win in every case.

just because your in denial or aren't happy about your nvidia purchase and because your not happy gaming with your cards then you come bash and lie anything ati ,


while all the happy ati owners are playing their games and don't have time to come in forums like this

vain - you've still haven't admit to why you've lied and or turn something 180 degrees around from the truth about carmacks story just like what the other person in this thread said also!

that prooves what I've said before all nvidia fanatics will lie and tell half truths to justify their bad nvidia purchase

what about this stupid imature one that you've post , I'd just prooved your imature ,stupid, in denial, and another nvidia fanatic

"And Nvidia is faster in OpenGL than ATI so, Nvidia will shine. So there."

in opengl it's only a bit faster but when aa and af enabled the gap's very close ati winning some nvidia winning some ,

but as soon as you use aa and af in recent and new games or directx 9 games ati wins by a long margin as much as double.

nvidia fanactics stop lying and telling half truths because your in denial and unhappy with your recent nvidia purchase
 
" I agree, nVidia seems to have designed their cards with the knowledge that they WILL perform exceptionally in next generation games "

LOL!!!!! show me proof about that !

your in total denial and you've just lied for nvidia , because everyone and many articles have said and prooved that nvidia will perform badly in new and future games and ati is much more future proof

another nvidia fanatic trying to lie and turn everthing 180 degrees , I just prooved my point ,
there's more hardcore nvidia fanatics in this forum , than in others , and they have to lie cheat , just like what nvidia's being doing all along

here:


benchmarks

or

recent game benchmarks

or

nvidia lowers image quality to catch up to ati but still loses

or

nvidia caught cheating

or

nvidia drivers cause catastrophic failure

or


NV38 seals Nvidia's coffin

or

9800 XT Honored With 2004 CES Innovations Award
 


bottom line is both nvidia and ati cards have their goods and bads

but ati has way more goods than nvidia right now, like much better directx 9 performance, better crisp vibrant 2d image quality, faster when using higher res with aa and af , uses only 1 pc slot , quieter, more future proof, better overall performance , better at highest min fps, etc. the list goes on

so much benefits out ways a few bads

 
this is STILL alive?! anyway, i decided to wait from your guys' suggestions. there are no games right now i really want to play. i really want to play HL2 or Doom3 and im going to wait for that.
 
give me an example
After the first 3DMark fiasco Unwinder analayzed nVidia's drivers and found no less than forty game-specific checks in them. He then implemented anti-cheat scripts that defeated them and also lowered performance considerably in a wide variety of games as a result (DigitLife did some tests and found this indeed to be the case). Then nVidia responded by encrypting their drivers to defeat his anti-cheating routines.

Also after custom benchmarks started being used around the web, nVidia cards often took a nosedive in performance in games that they had previously dominated in the standard benchmarks.

I'm not sure what you mean by unprepared drivers....?
At the time the latest Catalyst 3.4 couldn't even run the Doom3 at all and the Catalyst 3.2s were extremely slow and probably were never even tested or designed to run it.

I had a bad experience with a squirrel that I'd rather not discuss, so parks are right out.
Yeah I heard about him. He was arrested but apparently he got off on a technicality. 😛

Edit: BFG, intellectual? Pffft. That guy's got only one thing on his mind. And that thing is high minimum framerates. 😉
LMAO! 😀
 
so they say nvidia will win in most new games
I'm not saying that, I just said that Doom III is my bag, and Nvidia is what's gonna be put in it. I am just defending my card of you ignorant statements.

and we know that while if using the standards it will lose just like in half life 2 and almost every new and future just look at recent benches or ones that disable cheats in nvidia and not old ones
OpenGL is a standard that ATI doesn't follow. And Nvidia is better at that standard than ATI. Benches are very controversial. No games have cheats. Cheats are very questionable too. How can you possibly cheat. It's all optimization, and it was all legal. They just made that application work better. I don't think it was cheating.

think about it guys if nvidia is so good then why so many going over to ati and happy with their cards
There are more D3D games in the world that look better than OpenGL.

and if nvidia's products so good then why do they cheat so much ! doesn't that make you go hmmmmm
They don't.

keysplayr2003 - like I said before, you've brought your hardcore nvidia fanatics to vote with you, that's why there's so many nvidia fanatics here ,
and that poll is out of 100 nvidia fanatics here that lies, so it's not valid and isn't even official .
Well, I happen to think that you also got your ATI fanatics to vote that they had more Nvidia problems than ATI, thats why there are so many.
rolleye.gif


if you try using that poll in lets say rage3d , then you'll see more ati fanatics and ati will win in every case.
This is a neutral place. It's not RAge 3d or Force 3d.

just because your in denial or aren't happy about your nvidia purchase and because your not happy gaming with your cards then you come bash and lie anything ati ,
I'm love my 5900. Although I wished I had an Ultra version for the extra 128MB.

vain - you've still haven't admit to why you've lied and or turn something 180 degrees around from the truth about carmacks story just like what the other person in this thread said also!
My name is VIAN, not VAIN. I didn't lie, I seriously read it wrong.

in opengl it's only a bit faster but when aa and af enabled the gap's very close ati winning some nvidia winning some ,

but as soon as you use aa and af in recent and new games or directx 9 games ati wins by a long margin as much as double.
Nvidia runs OpenGL a lot faster. So much faster that at times the Ti 4200 almost caught up to the 9800 Pro. AA and AF do close the gap. I have never seen ATI double their performance with AA and AF on.

atleast ati's alot more future proof than nvidia you nvidiot!
Not if OpenGL is the future. There is another API besides D3D in the future k, ATICindy.

" I agree, nVidia seems to have designed their cards with the knowledge that they WILL perform exceptionally in next generation games "
I'm curious about that. That's a bold remark.

I just try to tell it how it is. I almost never go into a a thread about which ATI card I should get and recommend an Nvidia card. They can get whatever they want. And ATI cards are great too, with a very efficient system. However, my choice remains Nvidia. I am anticipating Doom III more than HL2. If I really wanted HL2, my decision would have been different. also, my D3D games play great.


 
Originally posted by: cindy22
LOL nvidiots fanatics that will lie call names and turn everthing 180 degrees they see 1 game like doom3 which only when using lower percision in that game to win, so they say nvidia will win in most new games

that's a bunch of bs ! and we know that while if using the standards it will lose just like in half life 2 and almost every new and future just look at recent benches or ones that disable cheats in nvidia and not old ones

think about it guys if nvidia is so good then why so many going over to ati and happy with their cards

and if nvidia's products so good then why do they cheat so much ! doesn't that make you go hmmmmm

rollo maybe your a girl too ? your upset, because you know I'm right and you've never seen a girl smarter than you.

keysplayr2003 - like I said before, you've brought your hardcore nvidia fanatics to vote with you, that's why there's so many nvidia fanatics here ,
and that poll is out of 100 nvidia fanatics here that lies, so it's not valid and isn't even official .

if you try using that poll in lets say rage3d , then you'll see more ati fanatics and ati will win in every case.

just because your in denial or aren't happy about your nvidia purchase and because your not happy gaming with your cards then you come bash and lie anything ati ,


while all the happy ati owners are playing their games and don't have time to come in forums like this

vain - you've still haven't admit to why you've lied and or turn something 180 degrees around from the truth about carmacks story just like what the other person in this thread said also!

that prooves what I've said before all nvidia fanatics will lie and tell half truths to justify their bad nvidia purchase

what about this stupid imature one that you've post , I'd just prooved your imature ,stupid, in denial, and another nvidia fanatic

"And Nvidia is faster in OpenGL than ATI so, Nvidia will shine. So there."

in opengl it's only a bit faster but when aa and af enabled the gap's very close ati winning some nvidia winning some ,

but as soon as you use aa and af in recent and new games or directx 9 games ati wins by a long margin as much as double.

nvidia fanactics stop lying and telling half truths because your in denial and unhappy with your recent nvidia purchase


Are you f****** stupid? Re-read the first line of your post and tell me you're not a dumbs***. You sound 12 and every single one of your posts is filled with hypocrisy.

Personally i think buying a video card right now is stupid. Arguing about which card will perform in FUTURE games that ARE NOT EVEN OUT is stupid as well. Who cares if nVidia beats ATi in Doom3 and ATi beats nVidia in HL2 right now? Those games aren't OUT. Things will change by the time those games will be released. nVidia and ATi will be able to run those games fine.

Oh Cindy, nice link to a nVidia driver problem forum...like there aren't ones for ATi driver problems. You seriously are f****** stupid. People on the AT forums have had more problems with ATi than nVidia according to that poll. Yet you prove him wrong by linking to a nVidia driver problem site? Good logic kid.
 
Funny Thread 🙂 It's amazing that someone can post a thread, and others start ripping at each other like jackals in the night...sheesh. My only hope is that the Gent that started the thread got some decent insight as to the question.
 
"I agree, nVidia seems to have designed their cards with the knowledge that they WILL perform exceptionally in next generation games."

If by next gen games you mean Doom 3, I agree. For all other next gen games, I'm not holding my breath in anticipation of exemplary performance within its generation (meaning I believe the Radeon series will be faster in most upcoming DX9 games).

At least some good came of this thread. LCM, I'm surprised you were able to glean such good advise from this madhouse, but you're doing the smart thing. Don't upgrade unless you have to, and don't accept anything less than actual benchmarks on your anticipated games for proof.
 
After the first 3DMark fiasco Unwinder analayzed nVidia's drivers and found no less than forty game-specific checks in them. He then implemented anti-cheat scripts that defeated them and also lowered performance considerably in a wide variety of games as a result (DigitLife did some tests and found this indeed to be the case). Then nVidia responded by encrypting their drivers to defeat his anti-cheating routines.

Also after custom benchmarks started being used around the web, nVidia cards often took a nosedive in performance in games that they had previously dominated in the standard benchmarks.

Yeah... ok, they did cheat. I apologize. The only way to cheat, then, is to have application detection pre-written code, meaning that it isn't happening in real-time anymore.
 
I would buy an Asus board. Actually i own a V9950 wich is the 5900 chip with 128 MB super high quality ddr ram. I can boost at 500 MHZ core an 1Ghz ram speed, and runs smoothly as a pussycat. It's got a powerfull dissipation quality it only costs 400?. It kicks ass, and it's 99% compatible with every game on the street nowadays. I personally don't like ATI, 'cause they remind me those days when they only made crap boards for cheap rigs.
p.s The Asus board come with 3 year warranty, so you can burn the dam thing to hell, 'cause in 3 years from now you'lle be begging for another monster framerate, perhaps with 512MB.
Att bottom line: buy an ati or buy an nvidia card, buy it from asus. They remaind me the deceased hercules with theyre astonighing cards.

ps. I'm not an asus affiliate, lolix.
 
I did some searching in the FS/FT forum and there are six threads for people who want to trade there Radeon 9700/9800/pro/XT for a 5900/5950/Ultra. I didn't see one person wanting to trade the other way around however. Some people were selling 5900's outright and there getting eaten up. I myself have posted there to trade my 9700np for a 5900nu. Not one bite hehe...
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I did some searching in the FS/FT forum and there are six threads for people who want to trade there Radeon 9700/9800/pro/XT for a 5900/5950/Ultra. I didn't see one person wanting to trade the other way around however. Some people were selling 5900's outright and there getting eaten up. I myself have posted there to trade my 9700np for a 5900nu. Not one bite hehe...

Trade a 9700 for a 5900!! I can't understand it.
 
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