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debating to get radeon 9800 pro vs. Geforce FX5900 Ultra
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SilverTrine
Senior member
You can be sure of one thing anyone who says ATi's drivers are unstable, doesnt own an ATi card. 🙂
My 9800 Non Pro @ 405/305 is perfectly stable since I lowered my FSB overclock down slightly from 211MHz to 209MHz and increased my AGP Voltage 1 notch on my NF7-S. I was a little worried at first, thinking I'd been fooled by the hype into getting a great performing card with same ol' ATi driver problems. Luckily it was easily fixed without losing any noticable performance and now I never crash in games :beer:
edit: oops, quoted wrong post
edit: oops, quoted wrong post
BS. ATI has better AF and AA and that is a fact. Anandtech themselves say so about the AF here. Look above the first graph.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1812&p=13
"ATI's Performance mode is significantly better than NVIDIA's Performance mode
ATI's Quality mode is slightly better than NVIDIA's Quality mode"
dude, why do you do this... whithout checking the test bed. These drivers are ancient. C3.2 and D43.45, go sit in the corner. New Nvidia drivers rock and give better performance and better AF IQ. Go looking for that.
Anandtech's IQ Analysis says that it goes both ways, sometimes ATI AF looks better and sometimes Nvidia AF looks better. This is due to ATI using lower resolution textures in certain areas to save bandwidth.
Review's from other sites that I have read agree that AF on Nvidia is better, but it could have just been those instances where the ATI looks worse. So, it's a draw I guess.
Anandtech's IQ Analysis says that it goes both ways, sometimes ATI AF looks better and sometimes Nvidia AF looks better. This is due to ATI using lower resolution textures in certain areas to save bandwidth.
Review's from other sites that I have read agree that AF on Nvidia is better, but it could have just been those instances where the ATI looks worse. So, it's a draw I guess.
LongCoolMother
Diamond Member
seems like these video card topics are very touchy touchy lol, as everyone has contradicting opinions. ill just assume that both are equally reliable then since its hard to really call a clear line. but how about the issue with more memory? is there any benefit at all for a higher amount of memory? 256 to 128? or is it all marketing? thanks. the benchmarks ive seen doesnt seem to suggest there is any difference at all. but if there isnt, then why do they even sell it? i mean i might be missing out. but hey, you know how these companies are, whatever gets the $$$!
DreamInBlue
Senior member
I owned a ATI 9800 pro and now own a BFG GeforceFX5900 I paid a $100 less ($199 from outpost.com) and got Call of Duty free with it and it works better for me on the games which i mainly play which are UT2003, NFSU, FFIX, and Unreal2. I would recommend it as the best value card right now it has an excellent heatsink w/ quiet dual fans w/ blue leds, has vivo, and mine clocks to 495/990 well above GeforceFX 5950 speeds
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
Yes there is an advantage going with 256MB but particularly when you are looking at that price range you are better off waiting a month or so for the NV40/R420. This close to the next gen parts I wouldn't be considering a ~$300 or higher graphics card. Both the NV40 and R420 should smoke anything out now and they should both be hitting within two months.
LongCoolMother
Diamond Member
do you have any links to any info on the next-gen cards? i cant seem to dig up any on anandtech, sharky, or toms.
here's a link for next gen cards it's not in english and not official ,but they say they have pictures of ati and nvidia prototype cards:
next gen cards
or at :
RAGE3D.COM
next gen cards
or at :
RAGE3D.COM
BFG10K
Lifer
It's not guessing at all; it's called accurate predicition.
It's a fact that next generation cards will be faster than current generation cards and it's also a fact that the next generation of games will push 256 MB VRAM as a standard just like current cards have done to 128 MB VRAM.
Keysplayr
Elite Member
So by saying that you mean that whatever is sitting between the chair and the keyboard has to be pretty computer savvy to get their video card to work right. Since when is everyone a computer wiz? I dont think that it is the PC owner's responsibility to get their brand new hardware to run right anymore. I used to be that way for sure, but is inexcusable today.
Keysplayr
Elite Member
You guys crack me up with this "performance" argument.
Both cards are so damn fast what does performance matter at this point? ATI 180fps and Nvidia 145 fps. In what way is 180 superior to 145 in gaming? Negligible. 50fps to 30 fps is a much different story of course. But when the fps are so high now, you just cant use performance as a solid argument nowadays. Go ahead and try your DX9 argument now. Those games wont be out until after the next gen of cards anyway. You cant tell which has better IQ unless you have 2 PC's side by side running ATI and Nvidia respectively and both running the same game at the same settings. IMHO, all this is just a huge REACH in terms of "mine is better than yours".
Long Cool Mother, you can be assured of the following:
If you buy the 9800pro, you will have a 50/50 chance of trouble free installation and stability.
If you buy the 5900U, you will have more like 90/10 chance of trouble free installation and stability.
Do a search for a recent poll run in this forum for Nvidia vs. ATI stability and problems and see the results for yourself.
From just users in this forum, they report ATI having a much, much larger percentage of issues.
Some users will say " I have a 9xxx whatever and it has been 100% stable in everything I throw at it. Nary a hitch of problems, and that was with me upgrading from a Tixxxx whatever too."
They are ther very lucky few, believe me. I upgraded to ATI from my GF2 and OMG what an ordeal to get it running HALF decent. I had top notch mainstream motherboard/ram/power supply and the works as well.
Go with the 5900U and be done with it. You will not need a bottle of Excedrin and a glass of water next to you at all times and you wont lose nearly as much hair because you wont be ripping it out. Your dentist wont make any money off you because you wont be grinding your teeth.
/solid advice
Keys
Corporate Thug
Lifer
why not get the 180 fps if you can???
really? i have several DX9 games installed on my computer right now
i can speak only from personal experiance but i used ATi cards in all the computers i built in recent memory and never had a major problem with one
I agree, my friends and I also don't have any major problems with ati too but I had lots of problems with my previous nvida cards , I heard ati had lot's of problems in the past but lately with new drivers with recent video cards are very stable.my friends and I have tested and exausted ati cards to the max and they were very stable, many sights an articles said the same thing,
just because 1% or 2% of recent ati buyers complain about problems does that mean everyone else will have them too?
it's like saying 5800fx had lots of problems, but does that mean all new and recent nvidia cards will be the same?
the performance on both ati and nvidia are good when you only play old games or don't use aa and af , but as soon as you use higher res with both aa and af or directx 9 games nvidia falls behind sometimes way below 30fps while ati stays over 40fps , so it's obvious ati is faster with aa and af , better image quality, much more stable now and is more future proof than nvidia , just exactly what many other sites and articles say also!
who would buy these cards and not use higher resolutions with aa and af?
it also depends on what's the lowest fps your card goes to too , because even though you get 100 fps , but if alot of times you will go as low as 15 fps then you will experience bad jerky movements and choppiness , this is where ati shines also
here:
videocards conclusions and recommendations
or
benchmarks
or
review about half liife 2 and future directx 9 games
or
review with min fps and max fps
just because 1% or 2% of recent ati buyers complain about problems does that mean everyone else will have them too?
it's like saying 5800fx had lots of problems, but does that mean all new and recent nvidia cards will be the same?
the performance on both ati and nvidia are good when you only play old games or don't use aa and af , but as soon as you use higher res with both aa and af or directx 9 games nvidia falls behind sometimes way below 30fps while ati stays over 40fps , so it's obvious ati is faster with aa and af , better image quality, much more stable now and is more future proof than nvidia , just exactly what many other sites and articles say also!
who would buy these cards and not use higher resolutions with aa and af?
it also depends on what's the lowest fps your card goes to too , because even though you get 100 fps , but if alot of times you will go as low as 15 fps then you will experience bad jerky movements and choppiness , this is where ati shines also
here:
videocards conclusions and recommendations
or
benchmarks
or
review about half liife 2 and future directx 9 games
or
review with min fps and max fps
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