Death penalty for pedophiles?

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87
Castration does nothing. Talk about a waste of taxpayers money. Pedophilia(sp) and rape are pyschological issues, not sexual.

Sure it's a disincentive that's less severe than death, that's better than what we currently have - which amounts to talking to a shrink and promising not to be bad. Therapy actually enables sociopaths in my opinion.

It's also cheaper than locking them up or killing them and it might help suppress their 'urges'.

Well i think it would be cheaper yet if we simply tossed the jerk behind bars until he died. Toss him into general and chances are what our judicial system cant do, the prison population will.

As for castration, you might as well threaten to lop off a finger or leg. You will get the same disincentive value to one of these sickos.

But in a lot of prisons they don't toss them into general population, they are separated for their 'protection'.

That's crap.

As an aside - I don't think anyone should receive special protection, Paris Hilton for example, she's going to be into an isolation wing. If anyone ever needed a good shanking it's her.

Don't you mean shagging? Or maybe that's been done before 😕

Nah, a filed down toothbrush to the face or throat would do her some good methinks.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I don't feel comfortable paying my tax dollars (let alone if it's coming from somwhere else) for someone to sit in an A/C comfortable cell, get fed every day and entertain themselves.

Who wouldn't want to spend 23 hours of their day in tiny cell eating crappy cafeteria food for the rest of their life?

Some facts about the death penalty:
- Costs more than life in prison
- Has been proven to not be a deterrent to commiting crimes
- Since 1976 one person on death row has been freed for every seven people put to death

By advocating the death penalty you implicitly support the idea that the benefits of the death penalty outweigh the "cost" of executing innocent people. You think a one day rape/murder is bad? What about executing an innocent person whose been forced to rot away decades of his life in small cell?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Death penalty for pedophiles

Apparently we're going to keep moving the bar lower for capital punishment. As horrific a crime as child rape is, does is really require the death penalty? Is raping a child really that much worse than raping an adult? Will a 17 year old with a 15 year old girlfriend in a state where minors can face the death penalty find themselves strapped to a gurney?

On top of the death penalty being an irreversible punishment, and all too frequently found to have been sentenced upon innocent people, this seems like we're going the wrong direction.

I'm very for the death penalty. I believe a lot of things should be punishable with death. That is the problem in this country right now. Everybody gets a good attorney and gets off or does good behavior in prison and gets time reduction. Does a plea bargin for information and gets off. In China for example if your caught with drugs it's the death penalty. China dosen't pussyfy their death penalty like the U.S. does. They use a firing range execution style in public display. That will teach people not to break the law.

I do also suggest persons who show psychologically that they are true pedophiles should be medically casterated. In some situations it dosen't have to be proven but if at least they perform the criminal act of pedophilia they should be chemically casterated or physically. I also believe in branded people like you would do cattle so everyone knows you were a pedophilia.

It has been said dozens if not hundreds of times on here, but it will not teach people not to break the law. There is NO correlation between the death penalty and a decrease in crime. Increasing the severity of punishments is the WORST possible way to control crime. Studies have clearly... clearly shown that if you reduce prison sentences, but put that money into more law enforcement that you will have a far better effect on crime rates then simply more draconian laws.

I'm not sure if you guys know this, but rape used to be an executable offense in the US until Coker v. Georgia. The supreme court concluded that the punishment was far in excess of the crime committed, and so it ran afoul of the cruel and unusual punishment clause of the constitution. (that, and that close to ninety percent of the people sentenced to death for rape were black, so it was racist too) As the article mentions, this law may very well run into problems when it reaches the supreme court.

Yeah, pedophiles in particular seem to have zero self control. So, I really don't see much opportunity for a deterent effect.

Also, as noted in the article, who's gonna turn in "uncle Bob" when they know the death penalty is applicable.

I think this goes way to far. I don't know why the Cooey case is mentioned, he murdered her and that alone is sufficient for the death penalty in such heinous cases.

Fern

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Castration is the only way. And everyone would support it.

It's a lot less vile than killing the guy.

i agree. but i see the ACLU stepping in saying castration is cruel punishment but its ok to kill him/her.

which leads me to the other side. we all keep saying him. i think the news lately has clearly shown women are just as big offenders for prying on kids as much as men are. the difference is that women dont usually kill their victims. so what do we do with a 23 year old teacher who f*cks a 12 year old boy and gets pregnant by the boy?????

would the state wait unil she gives birth then kill her? or give her a pass because she is too pretty go go to jail? lots of valid questions.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
talk about a punishment that doesn't fit the crime.

No joke. They should be tortured first.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Castration is the only way. And everyone would support it.

It's a lot less vile than killing the guy.

i agree. but i see the ACLU stepping in saying castration is cruel punishment but its ok to kill him/her.

which leads me to the other side. we all keep saying him. i think the news lately has clearly shown women are just as big offenders for prying on kids as much as men are. the difference is that women dont usually kill their victims. so what do we do with a 23 year old teacher who f*cks a 12 year old boy and gets pregnant by the boy?????

would the state wait unil she gives birth then kill her? or give her a pass because she is too pretty go go to jail? lots of valid questions.

Come on. Name one 12 year old boy who didn't want to boink his hot, 20-something year old teacher?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Castration is the only way. And everyone would support it.

It's a lot less vile than killing the guy.

i agree. but i see the ACLU stepping in saying castration is cruel punishment but its ok to kill him/her.

which leads me to the other side. we all keep saying him. i think the news lately has clearly shown women are just as big offenders for prying on kids as much as men are. the difference is that women dont usually kill their victims. so what do we do with a 23 year old teacher who f*cks a 12 year old boy and gets pregnant by the boy?????

I don't think that a adolescent boy is nearly as traumatized by sexual attention from a woman as is the reverse, from my understanding. I agree, it's a double-standard, but I can bet you dollars to doughnuts that that 12-year-old boy brags to his friends and grows into a normal joe. Whereas girls preyed upon by adult males generally grow up with issues like psychosis, etc.

This is all generally speaking, and from a non-professional perspective. But I think it fits for the most part.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: ayabe
The problem is that these people can never be released from prison, it's an incurable disease basically and the chances that they will harm another child are astronomical.

Don't know if I would go for the death sentence, maybe castration.

I'm fresh out of ideas. 😱

Castration accomplishes nothing, other than preventing penetration. The desire is all in the brain.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87
Castration does nothing. Talk about a waste of taxpayers money. Pedophilia(sp) and rape are pyschological issues, not sexual.

Sure it's a disincentive that's less severe than death, that's better than what we currently have - which amounts to talking to a shrink and promising not to be bad. Therapy actually enables sociopaths in my opinion.

It's also cheaper than locking them up or killing them and it might help suppress their 'urges'.

Well i think it would be cheaper yet if we simply tossed the jerk behind bars until he died. Toss him into general and chances are what our judicial system cant do, the prison population will.

As for castration, you might as well threaten to lop off a finger or leg. You will get the same disincentive value to one of these sickos.

But in a lot of prisons they don't toss them into general population, they are separated for their 'protection'.

That's crap.

As an aside - I don't think anyone should receive special protection, Paris Hilton for example, she's going to be into an isolation wing. If anyone ever needed a good shanking it's her.

Don't you mean shagging? Or maybe that's been done before 😕

Nah, a filed down toothbrush to the face or throat would do her some good methinks.

Wow, did she piss in your wheaties or something?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Castration is the only way. And everyone would support it.

It's a lot less vile than killing the guy.

i agree. but i see the ACLU stepping in saying castration is cruel punishment but its ok to kill him/her.

which leads me to the other side. we all keep saying him. i think the news lately has clearly shown women are just as big offenders for prying on kids as much as men are. the difference is that women dont usually kill their victims. so what do we do with a 23 year old teacher who f*cks a 12 year old boy and gets pregnant by the boy?????

would the state wait unil she gives birth then kill her? or give her a pass because she is too pretty go go to jail? lots of valid questions.

Come on. Name one 12 year old boy who didn't want to boink his hot, 20-something year old teacher?

it doesnt matter. if a law like this is passed that 23 year old hottie english teacher is getting the needle.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: ayabe
The problem is that these people can never be released from prison, it's an incurable disease basically and the chances that they will harm another child are astronomical.

Don't know if I would go for the death sentence, maybe castration.

I'm fresh out of ideas. 😱

Castration accomplishes nothing, other than preventing penetration. The desire is all in the brain.

Castration is the removal of the testes, not the penis.

The testes are a big part of the sex drive.

 

[sandorski]

Capital Punishment, for any crime, is Barbaric.

 

[Ferocious]

I don't think the US Supreme Court has been contaminated quite enough (yet) to allow a law like this to stand.


Because of the reality that certain small segments of the population are practically exempt from the death penalty, it must be abolished.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Death penalty for pedophiles

Apparently we're going to keep moving the bar lower for capital punishment. As horrific a crime as child rape is, does is really require the death penalty? Is raping a child really that much worse than raping an adult? Will a 17 year old with a 15 year old girlfriend in a state where minors can face the death penalty find themselves strapped to a gurney?

On top of the death penalty being an irreversible punishment, and all too frequently found to have been sentenced upon innocent people, this seems like we're going the wrong direction.

I understand the concern about 18 and 14 year olds, and similar what if situaitons... but 30 year olds preying on 12 year olds is a little much for a civilized society to permit.

What would you have us do with them? Give them free room and board for life? If they are not fit to live in society then why does society suffer them to live?

I love how everyone makes life in prison seem as if it were some bed and breakfast cottage in the mountains - prison is not a free ride. Life in prison is cheaper than putting them to death considering the legal processes that come into play when someone is put to death. Who are you to decide if life in prison is suffering for a person? Many will gladly take it over death....

I am not suggesting prison life is a piece of cake. I am suggesting that these people are not worth their cost to society. The legal process is borked to favor the criminal, it seems to ignore the victim way too much.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Death penalty for pedophiles

Apparently we're going to keep moving the bar lower for capital punishment.

The bar was a lot lower just 150 years ago. Perhaps it was unreasonably raised.

If the victim is 10 or more years younger, and they?re under legal age, and they were raped, then kill the offender.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Capital Punishment, for any crime, is Barbaric.

How many jails do you think we can build? How many people you think we can afford to pay their way in life? It isn't reasonable to sustain what we're now doing. The alternative, is to what, let them walk free?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Death penalty for pedophiles

Apparently we're going to keep moving the bar lower for capital punishment. As horrific a crime as child rape is, does is really require the death penalty? Is raping a child really that much worse than raping an adult? Will a 17 year old with a 15 year old girlfriend in a state where minors can face the death penalty find themselves strapped to a gurney?

On top of the death penalty being an irreversible punishment, and all too frequently found to have been sentenced upon innocent people, this seems like we're going the wrong direction.

I'm very for the death penalty. I believe a lot of things should be punishable with death. That is the problem in this country right now. Everybody gets a good attorney and gets off or does good behavior in prison and gets time reduction. Does a plea bargin for information and gets off. In China for example if your caught with drugs it's the death penalty. China dosen't pussyfy their death penalty like the U.S. does. They use a firing range execution style in public display. That will teach people not to break the law.

I do also suggest persons who show psychologically that they are true pedophiles should be medically casterated. In some situations it dosen't have to be proven but if at least they perform the criminal act of pedophilia they should be chemically casterated or physically. I also believe in branded people like you would do cattle so everyone knows you were a pedophilia.

lol you say that until some crooked cop who doesn't like you decides to get rid of you by merely planting drugs on you :roll:

The death penalty does NOT deter capital crimes.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: sandorski
Capital Punishment, for any crime, is Barbaric.

How many jails do you think we can build? How many people you think we can afford to pay their way in life? It isn't reasonable to sustain what we're now doing. The alternative, is to what, let them walk free?

You're right, it isn't reasonable. What you need to do is rethink some Laws.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Death penalty for pedophiles

Apparently we're going to keep moving the bar lower for capital punishment. As horrific a crime as child rape is, does is really require the death penalty? Is raping a child really that much worse than raping an adult? Will a 17 year old with a 15 year old girlfriend in a state where minors can face the death penalty find themselves strapped to a gurney?

On top of the death penalty being an irreversible punishment, and all too frequently found to have been sentenced upon innocent people, this seems like we're going the wrong direction.

I understand the concern about 18 and 14 year olds, and similar what if situaitons... but 30 year olds preying on 12 year olds is a little much for a civilized society to permit.

What would you have us do with them? Give them free room and board for life? If they are not fit to live in society then why does society suffer them to live?

I love how everyone makes life in prison seem as if it were some bed and breakfast cottage in the mountains - prison is not a free ride. Life in prison is cheaper than putting them to death considering the legal processes that come into play when someone is put to death. Who are you to decide if life in prison is suffering for a person? Many will gladly take it over death....

I am not suggesting prison life is a piece of cake. I am suggesting that these people are not worth their cost to society. The legal process is borked to favor the criminal, it seems to ignore the victim way too much.

If your intent is to punish, why execute? Im anti-death penalty not for the mainstream reasons of right to life or any of that. Im anti-death penalty because IMHO I would rather have someone rot in prison for 50 years than die. Death is easy out IMHO. Death penalty, therefore, is a soft sentence. I'll tell you this: if *I* was in prison and had a choice of life in prison without parole or death by whatever, give me death. In a New York Second.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Castration does nothing. Talk about a waste of taxpayers money. Pedophilia(sp) and rape are pyschological issues, not sexual.

QFT... too many people here are ignoring this point.

 

[BrownTown]

OMFG I can't believe anyone can honestly support this. Ever heard of an eye for an "eye makes the whole world blind"? This is like an eye for a toenail. Obviously this is a terrible crime, but can you honestly say that rape is as bad as murder? Its not even close. I would rather be raped in the ass 100 times than be killed.

Personally I think sex crimes as a whole have way to much punishment. I know rape is bad, but how bad is it REALLY? Would you rather be raped or have your legs cut off? What about raped or losing all your property. So far as I see it rape is a terrible ting, but it only lasts a few minutes and then its over, killing is FOREVER.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
OMFG I can't believe anyone can honestly support this. Ever heard of an eye for an "eye makes the whole world blind"? This is like an eye for a toenail. Obviously this is a terrible crime, but can you honestly say that rape is as bad as murder? Its not even close. I would rather be raped in the ass 100 times than be killed.

Personally I think sex crimes as a whole have way to much punishment. I know rape is bad, but how bad is it REALLY? Would you rather be raped or have your legs cut off? What about raped or losing all your property. So far as I see it rape is a terrible ting, but it only lasts a few minutes and then its over, killing is FOREVER.

We're talking about the molesting of a child. Not rape.

As a victim of molestation myself, I will tell you I would rather die. STFU.

 

[Jaskalas]

What is the alternative? Today, we either throw them in jail and have them leech off society for the rest of their lives or we set them free and they continuously prove that once released they go back to doing the same crime. Just kill them and get it over with, so they can hurt less people.

Yes, it?s forever, the prevention of their future victims SHOULD be forever. Once is enough.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
What is the alternative? Today, we either throw them in jail and have them leech off society for the rest of their lives or we set them free and they continuously prove that once released they go back to doing the same crime. Just kill them and get it over with, so they can hurt less people.

Yes, it?s forever, the prevention of their future victims SHOULD be forever. Once is enough.

IMHO? Life in prison.

 

[adrunkgerbil]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Better than housing and feeding them for a lifetime at taxpayer expense.

it costs more to execute someone than life in prison