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[woolfe9999]

I thought criminal penalties for infringement were something that were added relatively recently, within the last 50 years or so. I Googled it a bit and couldn't find out exactly when these penalties were added, though.

JSt0rm, obviously I meant it shouldn't be the FBI's responsibility. The copyright industry has succeeded in perverting the law in their favor, though. Every time Mickey Mouse is about to go into the public domain, all they have to do is slip politicians a little money and get copyright terms extended yet again.

Copyright has been a criminal matter since 1976, for 35 years. While not exactly an ancient concept, it isn't exactly a new one either. Anyway, if the content providers have been so successful, I have to wonder why there is so much IP theft online. It seems to me that copyright holders have been fighting a losing battle since the inception of the internet. Try this as an experiment: think of any random piece of copyrighted content, a movie, song or pron, and give yourself 15 minutes to see if you can find it for free with a search engine. If you failed, then I think you need to learn to google.

 

[JSt0rm]

Copyright has been a criminal matter since 1976, for 35 years. While not exactly an ancient concept, it isn't exactly a new one either. Anyway, if the content providers have been so successful, I have to wonder why there is so much IP theft online. It seems to me that copyright holders have been fighting a losing battle since the inception of the internet. Try this as an experiment: think of any random piece of copyrighted content, a movie, song or pron, and give yourself 15 minutes to see if you can find it for free with a search engine. If you failed, then I think you need to learn to google.

I think the content providers have been very successful. Everyone still wants the content they just dont want to pay any money for it.

Of course everyone says hey this is all shit! I refuse to pay for this! but they will sit on their couch with their made in china snuggie and consume the product scoffing at it the entire time. Then they will turn around and complain about there being no jobs.

 

[frostedflakes]

Copyright has been a criminal matter since 1976, for 35 years. While not exactly an ancient concept, it isn't exactly a new one either. Anyway, if the content providers have been so successful, I have to wonder why there is so much IP theft online. It seems to me that copyright holders have been fighting a losing battle since the inception of the internet. Try this as an experiment: think of any random piece of copyrighted content, a movie, song or pron, and give yourself 15 minutes to see if you can find it for free with a search engine. If you failed, then I think you need to learn to google.

No doubt copyright infringement has hurt them. I just don't think the issue is serious enough to justify changes in how infringement is handled by the legal system and ISPs. The copyright industry has already received enough corporate welfare through term extensions and related legislation.

And as much as the music and movie industries complain about infringement, profits are up and they're making more money than ever. I just don't see it as a losing battle, I think the anti-piracy campaigns during the late 90s/early 00s did a lot of good. I truly believe a lot of people downloading music back then didn't even realize what they were doing was wrong and/or weren't aware of the consequences, and the industry has done a good job of changing public opinion on the issue. The creation of iTunes and other legal alternatives obviously helped a lot as well. You can't whine too much about people downloading your music when you don't provide them with legal alternatives, this was partly an issue of the industry not keeping up with technology and consumer demand. Piracy forced them to react and to make reasonably priced music downloads available to consumers.

The way I look at it, the people who continue to pirate in 2011 despite the potential negative effects on the music and movie industries and threat of litigation aren't worth expending a lot of resources on. You start to reach a point of diminishing returns where you throw a lot more money at enforcing copyrights for minimal gains. These are the people who refuse to pay a measly $1 for a song they enjoy. No amount of litigation or draconian enforcement is going to stop these people IMO, and even if you stopped them there's no guarantee they would actually buy it instead. The copyright industry loves to equate each download to a lost sale, but in reality that is likely not the case. Technology is always two steps ahead of the music and movie industries and determined pirates will always find a way. And even assuming they could somehow succeed in stopping copyright infringement online, there's nothing to stop these people from physically trading CDs, DVDs, legally purchased MP3s, etc.

 

[shortylickens]

Honestly, Washington just needs to burn at this point.

It already did burn.
The bureaucracy that rose from the ashes was 10 times stronger than before.

Think about it.

 

[Lithium381]

No doubt copyright infringement has hurt them. I just don't think the issue is serious enough to justify changes in how infringement is handled by the legal system and ISPs. The copyright industry has already received enough corporate welfare through term extensions and related legislation.

And as much as the music and movie industries complain about infringement, profits are up and they're making more money than ever. I just don't see it as a losing battle, I think the anti-piracy campaigns during the late 90s/early 00s did a lot of good. I truly believe a lot of people downloading music back then didn't even realize what they were doing was wrong and/or weren't aware of the consequences, and the industry has done a good job of changing public opinion on the issue. The creation of iTunes and other legal alternatives obviously helped a lot as well. You can't whine too much about people downloading your music when you don't provide them with legal alternatives, this was partly an issue of the industry not keeping up with technology and consumer demand. Piracy forced them to react and to make reasonably priced music downloads available to consumers.

The way I look at it, the people who continue to pirate in 2011 despite the potential negative effects on the music and movie industries and threat of litigation aren't worth expending a lot of resources on. You start to reach a point of diminishing returns where you throw a lot more money at enforcing copyrights for minimal gains. These are the people who refuse to pay a measly $1 for a song they enjoy. No amount of litigation or draconian enforcement is going to stop these people IMO, and even if you stopped them there's no guarantee they would actually buy it instead. The copyright industry loves to equate each download to a lost sale, but in reality that is likely not the case. Technology is always two steps ahead of the music and movie industries and determined pirates will always find a way. And even assuming they could somehow succeed in stopping copyright infringement online, there's nothing to stop these people from physically trading CDs, DVDs, legally purchased MP3s, etc.

I downloaded mp3's back in highschool, back when CD's were almost $28/30 . . . . . now that CD's are reasonable again and with itunes i can pick and choose songs, i buy all my media from legitimate sources.... with hulu and netflix you can now stream your shows for less than $10 a month....WAY less than cable..... totally worth it.

but anyway, the topic at hand is government oversight, and in my opinion, too much of it. they have too much power..... and when i say "they" i mean the government. "We the people" we are the government, and those we have chosen directly or indirectly to lead us have forgotten their roles

 

[BoberFett]

Meh. I have as much respect for copyright as copyright has for me. None.

When copyright is lowered back to a reasonable time frame rather than extended continually purely for the benefit of massive international copyright conglomerates, we'll talk.

Until then, fuck you. I hope the content industry dies.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

More power more control. same pattern over and over. Change we can believe in.

 

[EXman]

And I'm sure the aclu would be all over that. We need a BALANCE.

Not if it was for a straight white male! which a lot of us are here. The ACLU does not protect people it pushes its own agenda forward on the backs of others who have "suffered."

 

[1prophet]

For all you that think this is all about the music or movie industry think again, the power you cede with these perpetual and draconian copyright laws are going to bite your freedom in the ass in ways not previously foreseen, it has all ready started and going to get worse.

Even if you are right without money and a good lawyer you are now wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/facebook-pages-copyright-infringement-claims_n_855029.html

http://atlantapost.com/2011/05/03/online-copyright-protection-for-profit/


http://patriot.net/~bmcgin/copyrightabuse.html



How about this abuse here
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...eid-for-reposting-her-own-website.php?ref=fpa


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...e-copyright-law-to-stop-patient-reviews.shtml

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091001/0313526384.shtml

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/10/copyright-abuse-ohio-governor-election

http://usefularts.us/2010/02/24/whdh-and-adm-make-bogus-dmca-claims/

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs...uit-abuse?utm_source=Tweed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[spidey07]

Two words. /etc/hosts

 

[JSt0rm]

Until then, fuck you. I hope the content industry dies.

I don't think "the industry" cares about the buying power of a unemployed vet.

It's still a pain in the ass to download blue ray level content but you probably don't own a 50" plasma and B&W 5.1 sound system to enjoy that anyhow.

 

[spidey07]

I don't think "the industry" cares about the buying power of a unemployed vet.

It's still a pain in the ass to download blue ray level content but you probably don't own a 50" plasma and B&W 5.1 sound system to enjoy that anyhow.

Lulz. B&W doesn't have the impact or dynamic range until you get into their upper tier. Knowing your broke ass you have the lower line. You like are proud of a measly 50" display as well. That's my bathroom tv broke ass.

 

[JSt0rm]

Lulz. B&W doesn't have the impact or dynamic range until you get into their upper tier. Knowing your broke ass you have the lower line. You like are proud of a measly 50" display as well. That's my bathroom tv broke ass.

lol. I dont even own B&W I was just illustrating a point. Your right about the tv though. I only have a 50" plasma. Shrug.

 

[JSt0rm]

Oh and you know we have a dub stage here? eh? broke ass?

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5500watts
22' screen
7000 lumen

Its fun as hell to put movies up in there, Broke ass.

 

[spidey07]

Oh and you know we have a dub stage here? eh? broke ass?

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5500watts
22' screen
7000 lumen

Its fun as hell to put movies up in there, Broke ass.

Yes spidey. That is my desk.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yes spidey. That is my desk.

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No idea what you are saying. lol.

 

[Schadenfroh]

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No idea what you are saying. lol.

See the posts regarding Nik
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1456184

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm sure there are some lulz in there but I just cant dig through 9 pages to find them.

 

[spidey07]

I'm sure there are some lulz in there but I just cant dig through 9 pages to find them.

You really, really, really should.

-edit- I'm a A/V geek as well.
Cheers bud and good night

 

[JSt0rm]

ok I get it luckily im at work

 

[spidey07]

I love it jstorm. Well done. Never doubted.

Well done. Wish you well in making that momey.

 

[spidey07]

Giving a bump for the Lulz.

 

[JSt0rm]

 

[Wordplay]

That great senator from VT, Leahy. Talk about selling souls.

We need to toss everyone, not let them back in and start over.

There needs to be a term limit for Senators and Representatives.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Its really the only issue that I feel like this about. It is like the wild west right now. I think in the future there will be order brought to the chaos.

Fuck that. The internet as it is now is a medium for free thought, exchange of ideas and opinions, and a source of strange, strange things. If any legislation is passed that allows the government to change content, it will never be the same. Once government gets power it doesn't let it go.