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Lithium381

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Senate antipiracy legislation introduced Thursday would dramatically increase the government’s legal power to disrupt and shutter websites “dedicated to infringing activities.”

A major feature of the Protect IP Act, introduced by 11 senators of all stripes, would grant the government the authority to bring lawsuits against these websites, and obtain court orders requiring search engines like Google to stop displaying links to them.

“Both law enforcement and rights holders are currently limited in the remedies available to combat websites dedicated to offering infringing content and products,” said Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), the bill’s main sponsor.

The proposal is an offshoot to the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act introduced last year. It was scrapped by its authors in exchange for the Protect IP Act in a bid to win Senate passage.

Under the old COICA draft, the government was authorized to obtain court orders to seize so-called generic top-level domains ending in .com, .org and .net. The new legislation (.pdf), with the same sponsors, narrows that somewhat.

Instead of allowing for the seizure of domains, it allows the Justice Department to obtain court orders demanding American ISPs stop rendering the DNS for a particular website — meaning the sites would still be accessible outside the United States.

Either way, though, the legislation amounts to the holy grail of intellectual-property enforcement that the recording industry, movie studios and their union and guild workforces have been clamoring for since the George W. Bush administration.

“As the guilds and unions that represent 400,000 creators, performers and craftspeople who create the multitude of diverse films, television programs and sound recordings that are enjoyed by billions of people around the world, we unequivocally support this bill which, by providing protection for our members’ work, clearly shows that our government will not condone or permit the wholesale looting of the American economy and American creativity and ingenuity — regardless of how that looting is disguised on the internet to fool the American consumer,” (.pdf) a host of unions said Wednesday, including the American Federation of Musicians, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists and the Directors Guild of America.

The new bill also gives content owners more rights than the old bill. It would allow rights holders to seek court orders instructing online ad services and credit card companies from partnering with the infringing sites — a power the government is granted in either legislative version.

Only the government gets the DNS blocking powers. And the Digital Millennium Copyright Act already grants rights holders the ability to demand search engines to stop displaying search results linking to infringing sites.

Despite the new bill watering down the United States’ reach, the government has been invoking an asset-forfeiture law to seize generic top-level domains of infringing websites under a program called Operation in Our Sites.” It began last year, and the Department of Homeland Security has targeted 120 sites.

Abigail Phillips, a copyright attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said because of Operation in Our Sites, the DNS changeover “doesn’t seem all that meaningful.”

Sherwin Siy, deputy legal director at Public Knowledge, noted that the measure does not narrowly define the websites that could be targeted.

“The bill still defines a site as ‘dedicated to infringing activities,’ if it is designed or marketed as ‘enabling or facilitating’ actions that are found to be infringing,” he said. “In other words, even if the site isn’t itself infringing copyright, if its actions ‘enable or facilitate’ someone else’s infringement, the government can tell ISPs to blacklist your site, and copyright holders can sue to cut your funding.”
i got it from wired, didn't see it posted already. Seems to me we're going the way of the chinese with our internet censorship. While i don't necesarily believe what the pirated sites are doing is right, i disagree with the way things look to be turning out
 

DesiPower

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They own us, if they want us to follow their rules and regulations, well... you better get in line unless you don't want to disappear in some newly built unknown secret prison in Alaska.
Atleast they are doing it in a systematic manner by forcing their laws through influencing our law makers.

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Schadenfroh

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The Chinese use censorship to crush political opposition, pornography, historical events that portray Communism in a negative light, news reports of Communist Party corruption, etc.

America uses censorship to prevent copyright infringement.

Not an apples to apples comparison.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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That great senator from VT, Leahy. Talk about selling souls.

We need to toss everyone, not let them back in and start over.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The Chinese use censorship to crush political opposition, pornography, historical events that portray Communism in a negative light, news reports of Communist Party corruption, etc.

America uses censorship to prevent copyright infringement.

Not an apples to apples comparison.

No, they use it to pad their political war chests. There was a 105 million dollar judgement in the news today which the RIAA won. Well that's great news for the artists. Oops, no. Turns out they won't see one cent.

This is a pay off.
 

ericlp

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ya know we use to have a lot of rights. But the internet is such a powerful influence and lot's of money. You know the government would get it's fingers in the flow of cash sooner or later.

Uncle Sam has his hand out and needs to be paid. Soon we'll all have to log into some old slow encrypted underground dial up system to get away from the BS. Remember BBS's? :)
 

ch33zw1z

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The Chinese use censorship to crush political opposition, pornography, historical events that portray Communism in a negative light, news reports of Communist Party corruption, etc.

America uses censorship to prevent copyright infringement.

Not an apples to apples comparison.

Censorship of a "free" internet is still censorship. Just because the USA HASN'T censored politically doesn't mean they WON'T if given the chance.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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ya know we use to have a lot of rights. But the internet is such a powerful influence and lot's of money. You know the government would get it's fingers in the flow of cash sooner or later.

Uncle Sam has his hand out and needs to be paid. Soon we'll all have to log into some old slow encrypted underground dial up system to get away from the BS. Remember BBS's? :)

I once used a 300 baud modem with a Sinclair. :D

People are missing what this allows, which is shutting down virtually any site. If someone has a link that directs to a site where someone posted copyrighted materials? You've "facilitated". Laws are not restricted to claimed purposes. See Rico. This gives complete censorship to the government.
 

ericlp

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I once used a 300 baud modem with a Sinclair. :D

People are missing what this allows, which is shutting down virtually any site. If someone has a link that directs to a site where someone posted copyrighted materials? You've "facilitated". Laws are not restricted to claimed purposes. See Rico. This gives complete censorship to the government.

I think the real point is this gives the government complete control over the internet. Yay! Now what will they do next? :rolleyes:
 

Kadarin

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Nov 23, 2001
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Another step in the march toward a fascist police state, where due process of law and individual liberties take a back seat to guaranteed corporate profits. It won't change until the revolution.
 

wuliheron

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First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller
 

JSt0rm

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None of you have a "right" to the internet. Think of it long term more as driving on the highway - there are rules and you must be licensed.
 

Jaskalas

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First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

They were all criminals and copyright infringes, honest!
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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None of you have a "right" to the internet. Think of it long term more as driving on the highway - there are rules and you must be licensed.

And you don't have a right to profit off the backs of other. You brag about how much money you make, you're just another one of those greedy, evil rich that we're supposed to hate.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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None of you have a "right" to the internet. Think of it long term more as driving on the highway - there are rules and you must be licensed.

Holy crap I didn't think you were such a huge authoritarian.
 

JSt0rm

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And you don't have a right to profit off the backs of other. You brag about how much money you make, you're just another one of those greedy, evil rich that we're supposed to hate.

First off I never brag about money.

Secondly I WORK. I dont "profit off the backs of others"
 

Modelworks

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None of you have a "right" to the internet. Think of it long term more as driving on the highway - there are rules and you must be licensed.

The problem is the rules they want would allow them to pull you over, haul you into jail, strip search you, convict you and then while in jail you would get the chance to ask for an attorney.
 

woolfe9999

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Why they do whatever they like with legal justification.

So what is your solution if a website like oh, say, rapidshare, provides a file sharing service and in fact 98.9% of everything uploaded to it is IP theft, and it's all but certain that the propietors of the website know as much, and they're profiting from it. Since everything the government does is apparently wrong, even when they try to prevent thievery, then what, if anything, is your solution? Lets here how the free market prevents theft on its own.
 
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JSt0rm

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The problem is the rules they want would allow them to pull you over, haul you into jail, strip search you, convict you and then while in jail you would get the chance to ask for an attorney.

And I'm sure the aclu would be all over that. We need a BALANCE.