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[dead?] Norton SystemWorks Professional 2003 $10.90 Shipped!

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I did a search at www.pricewatch.com about 5 days ago on "Norton Systemworks" and was pleased to find the 2003 version available shipped for around $10, pretty much in line with this thread's title. I was looking for my brother because I was helping him over the phone to do an online order for a computer at Dell. The option to have NAV 2003 installed on the box was an added $40. I told my brother that he shouldn't get it since he could get it online for around 10 bucks.

I have Norton Systemworks 2001, and it seems to be all I need for my Windows 2000, but I multiboot and my Windows 98's NAV is complaining that I have to subscribe ( IOW pay money ) if I want Liveupdate to work on it. For whatever reason my Windows 2000 hasn't complained. Maybe it's because I did a complete reinstall of Windows 2000 and the NAV hasn't sat on it for over a year.

The only reason I'd prefer SW over NAV is for Ghost, but my brother's not going to get into that. I heard that Ghost 2002 makes you enter a password every time you want to use it. I don't have to do that with my Ghost 2001. Don't know the score with Ghost 2003, though.

BTW, folks, when you install Systemworks you should probably configure things so only NAV runs automatically at startup. Have everything else configured to run manually. This is right in the installation routine if it's like version 2001. Many people have said that SW trashed their Windows 2000 machines when configured to run that other stuff automatically. Maybe things have improved with XP, but personally I wouldn't take a chance on it without evidence that Symantec has improved things.

Another thing: When you install Ghost, not only create Ghost floppies, but print out the manual, read it and figure out how to make a bootable Ghost CD. Ghost runs around 20 times faster from a CD.
 
Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
just an FYI about Norton Systemworks 2K3 for me... a virus WAS detected on my system by this software, but the software couldn't do anything for it, couldn't quarantine it, couldn't delete it. I eventually had to reformat just to rid myself of it.
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Yeah, I hear ya. I spent several hours trying to help my brother via phone to rid his wife's Win98 computer of a virus infestation and in the end the machine was so trashed he couldn't even get into Add/Remove programs to see what was installed. Very frustrating, but I'm sure it was way worse for him. The machine was just trashed. Reinstalling NAV 2002 didn't help since Liveupdate wouldn't uncompress the downloads for some reason. If I was there I could straighten things out but he's just getting a new machine with XP, etc. The moral of the story? Run virus protection with the latest updates and don't compromise your protection.
 
Ordered one, along with a Samsung floppy drive. Free shipping on both. Came in 2 days via USPS Priority Mail. Seems like a good co. to do business with.
 
I like Norton Antivirus the best, I feel its the best for detecting viruses and it has a nice interface with auto-updates, and is usually not very expensive.

Only I think I have given up on it due to the bugs. I've lost count now of how many times the stupid "Live Update" stops updating, or somehow it loses my "subscription data".

I'm currenty using the freeware virus scanner called Avast. It has an auto updater also.
 
Nice deal, just ordered as my NSW 2002 just expired. Do you guys use add remove to delete the old NSW or NAV or do you just install over it?
 
had trouble ghosting xp with 2002 version - but worked fine w/ 2003 version.

good to hear turbo tax cratered on the activation !!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: Boomer2
Any idea if this has something like Ghost Multicast? I really need the application running on another PC to store the image.
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Its not nessasary. The version supplied on the pro has the ability to backup to another computer. I just used that to backup my brothers laptop with a NTFS partition to my machine with a FAT32 partition. You just set it up as master slave and use TCP/IP, its all in the documentation.
Originally posted by: gypsyman
Nice deal, just ordered as my NSW 2002 just expired. Do you guys use add remove to delete the old NSW or NAV or do you just install over it?
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I just installed over on my grandma's computer and it worked fine.
Originally posted by: Muse
I did a search at <a href="http://www.pricewatch.com">www.pricewatch.com</A> about 5 days ago on "Norton Systemworks" and was pleased to find the 2003 version available shipped for around $10, pretty much in line with this thread's title. I have Norton Systemworks 2001, and it seems to be all I need for my Windows 2000, but I multiboot and my Windows 98's NAV is complaining that I have to subscribe ( IOW pay money ) if I want Liveupdate to work on it. For whatever reason my Windows 2000 hasn't complained. Maybe it's because I did a complete reinstall of Windows 2000 and the NAV hasn't sat on it for over a year.
The only reason I'd prefer SW over NAV is for Ghost, but my brother's not going to get into that. I heard that Ghost 2002 makes you enter a password every time you want to use it. I don't have to do that with my Ghost 2001. Don't know the score with Ghost 2003, though.
Another thing: When you install Ghost, not only create Ghost floppies, but print out the manual, read it and figure out how to make a bootable Ghost CD. Ghost runs around 20 times faster from a CD.
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If you format and reinstall windows, you can install norton again and it will give you another year. I think I mentioned that above 🙂 If you are the type that formats frequently you dont HAVE to buy norton again after a year. For for $10 I'd go ahead anyway, get the new features and stuff. Yeah, ghost 2002 makes you enter some license number, but the number is on the ghost splash screen, so its not a big deal, just a hassle. Plus I think you can't access the image without that on ghost 2002. Ghost 2003 did away with all that though fortunately.
Ghost CD is a good idea actually, that or a floppy.
 
I've had the same experience...Symantec doesn't track the install from the SW CD of NAV.

I buy SW because of the utilities.....Professional's just as good as the Standard, but the price kicks. I've a client who needs a modern copy (she has 4.0...yech 😀), and this'll do fine. Thanks!
 
I just want the NAV from the SW pro disk, the rest of the utilities stay on the CD. I put the CD in, cancel out of the splash screen, open explorer, open the NAV folder, and run setup.exe. Couldnt be much cheaper or easier to get NAV2003. I do hate the fact that live update rarely gives you the latest definitions. The are frequently a update behind, just one day, in some cases, but when you go to the Symantec website, click download, virus updates, you see you can download the June1 update, or that liveupdate will give you May31 update. I usually have to download the update myself, if I want the latest update.
 
"Ghost CD is a good idea actually, that or a floppy.host CD is a good idea actually, that or a floppy."

Ghost run from a bootable Ghost CD is the only way to fly. You'll never ever want to use a Ghost floppy again. I made such a CD and for some reason I haven't been able to copy it with a CDRW drive. I get something that doesn't work. However, I have the original one I made. The instructions are in the manual for how to make one.
 
I know with ghost you can create images that span multiple CDs, but how does that work? Does the first CD contain the Ghost program and the start of the image and then it just asks you for each disk after it is finished with the current one like many multi disc installers? Or is it something like you have to uncompress the CDs to a separate partition before restoring?

Also, how does this work with SATA RAID0? I am going to have 2 WD Raptors in RAID0 in multiple partitions and would like to back up the Ghost file on multiple CDs. How long will it take to restore a 3-4GB ghost file from a CD?

Thanks,
Brian
 
Originally posted by: BG4533
I know with ghost you can create images that span multiple CDs, but how does that work? Does the first CD contain the Ghost program and the start of the image and then it just asks you for each disk after it is finished with the current one like many multi disc installers? Or is it something like you have to uncompress the CDs to a separate partition before restoring?

Also, how does this work with SATA RAID0? I am going to have 2 WD Raptors in RAID0 in multiple partitions and would like to back up the Ghost file on multiple CDs. How long will it take to restore a 3-4GB ghost file from a CD?

Thanks,
Brian
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I don't see why it would have a problem with SATA or RAID0.
To restore a 4 gig ghost file it would depend on the speed of your cd reader. For instance if you have a 2x speed reader, it will take at leat 30 mins per cd to read it. If you have a 52x cd reader, it should take less than 2 minutes per CD to read. Of course you will have some time involved writing it to the hard drive as well. 4 gigs would be about 6 cds I think, but that's without compression. Ghost can do compression as well, takes a bit more time in the backup phase but saves you cds. Depending on what you backup, if you backup typical programs you can get a 2:1 compression, but if you have a lot of video files and .zip files, you wont get any compression. Anyway, with 6 cds, if you have a 52x reader, call it 2 mins per cd to read, that's only about 12 minutes. I'd raise it to 20 mins, just to have a conservative estimate.
One cool thing is that the ghost explorer allows you to read the files and restore them selectively.

Ok, on to the other question about spanning. First, you need to realize that the ghost program is a DOS program, that's why a boot disk is nessasary (and the ghost program can make a boot disk within windows, either a floppy or a CD). So ghost itself is a very small program (fits on a floppy) and is not placed on your cd, only the ghost image files are. The image files are named like xxxx001.gho xxxx001.gho or something like that. I don't remember exactly, but its similar. So if you tell it to write to a CD, it will do each cd with those files. Personallly I prefer to tell it to backup to a hard drive, or over a network to another computer. You can specify a switch on the command line of ghost to span disks and what size, so I tell it to break it up into 700 meg chunks. Then I can take care of burning the image file to cds myself. That way I dont get into any difficulties regarding what cd burners are supported by ghost, etc etc.

Anyway, I like ghost for backing up the whole hard drive, and the ability to selectivly restore files is just cool.
 
Does any one know what is the difference between Ghost Console, and just Ghost? Does Ghost console have the same backup feature?
 
Originally posted by: Cybordolphin
I have never had Norton Antivirus not be able to quarantine a virus. Ever. I have been using it for many many years.

You guys must not be allowing your updates to keep things current.

This is a great deal. As long as these guys are not selling "backup" copies.
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the only time i've seen it not able to quarantine is if you install the program AFTER getting the virus.

it's better to install the AV on another machine and run the AV on the infected HD w/o booting from it. (in other words put it in the 2nd machine as a slave.)
 

I have yet to see a virus on a system that had Norton AntiVirus (current editions 2002 or 2003) if all the updates were installed and scans were scheduled on a regular basis. Just FYI currently the 2002 and the 2003 NAV found in NIS, NAV, and SW all receive the 2003 virus definitions. The virus definitions are released weekly on Wednesday. However, you want to check yourself periodically through the week to see if any others have been released. Anything that is older will not protect you against script viruses being produced. If you are considering installing Norton AntiVirus or you suspect that you have a virus you can go to www.sarc.com and do a full system scan with the NAV 2003 and all the updates its free. The scan will tell you if you have a virus and how to remove it. There is also a Virus Encyclopedia on the site to assist you if you already know the name of the virus.


gypsyman:Nice deal, just ordered as my NSW 2002 just expired. Do you guys use add remove to delete the old NSW or NAV or do you just install over it? Symantec highly recommends that you removed the previous versions before installing a new version. They do not install correctly over one another all the time. They also suggest it is best to use the 'unistall' option off of the program menu and not add/remove programs.

If you do install over the top and still keep receiving the "Your subscription is going to expire" Notice you need to remove all versions and reinstall because it didnt recognize the new one.


The NAV2003 has the ability to be installed on a virus infected computer. That is one of the new features. However you need to begin installation and run the virus removal program from the disk. Otherwise the installation will have bad effects because newer viruses are made to attack the program.


As for the Norton AntiVirus 2003 some of them already have Activation codes.


Originally posted by: yellowperil
What improvements are there over the 2002 version?

ENHANCED! One Button Checkup makes system maintenance as easy as the click of a mouse.
Norton AntiVirus?
NEW! Scans for viruses in instant message attachments.


NEW! Exclusive Worm Blocking technology detects and stops new worms even before virus definitions are created for them.
Web Tools
NEW! Web Cleanup deletes unneeded files left over from Internet sessions, including cookies, cached files, and history logs


NEW! Connection Keep Alive helps prevent dial-up Internet sessions from being interrupted.
 
Quick tip: if you are going to a friend's or client's place and they lack broadband, you can get the latest virus definitions as an executable file. I get this at download.com and burn it to CD-R.

Unfortunately, NortonAV doesn't "realize" that it already has the latest updates and will spend however many minutes updating itself with 2+MB of virus definitions at its first live update, but at least you can run a full virus scan immediately.

These OEM discs are often meant for foreign markets, so they might be "grey market" -- if that matters to you.
 
Just a note. My Norton Anivirus pro 2003 was having problems. Something got corrupted. It said it had an internal problem each time I reloaded and deleted it. Tried several times with no results same problem. Finally I deleted it and did a search for all files with "norton" or "Symantec" in the file name and deleted them. Reinstalled and it worked like a charm and in fact gave me a full year on the liveupdate etc. I had 6 months left at the time. This may save someone from doing a pain in the butt reformat.
 
Originally posted by: cremefilled
Quick tip: if you are going to a friend's or client's place and they lack broadband, you can get the latest virus definitions as an executable file. I get this at download.com and burn it to CD-R.

Unfortunately, NortonAV doesn't "realize" that it already has the latest updates and will spend however many minutes updating itself with 2+MB of virus definitions at its first live update, but at least you can run a full virus scan immediately.

These OEM discs are often meant for foreign markets, so they might be "grey market" -- if that matters to you.
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Yeah, I update the stuff whenever I visit my grandma's. Takes a dang long time to update norton and windows and stuff on dial up.
 
Originally posted by: Foghorn
Up for a good deal
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I run 2002 on 2 machines and 2003 on another.
I just picked up two copies for the other two machines. Thanks for the heads up.

EDIT
I am posting from my wife's machine where I don't have the ads blocked. The ads on the left for NSW 2003 are all priced higher than the one in this post. 🙂

 
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