-DEAD- 64 bit Motherboard and Cpu for 198 shipped @newegg

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CrazyGamer

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Originally posted by: gibster
Is the 2800 multiplier-unlocked? Can't find the answer anywhere. Since they say the chip runs at 1.8GHz, is the multiplier 9 at 200MHz? Or are the buses decoupled, and memory can run at whatever speed it can, and FSB is set to something (probably 200MHz)?

From what I've seen, people seem to everclock these things by FSB, which leads me to believe they are multiplier-locked. It seems the Abit board has another frequency divisor at 233MHz FSB for the AGP and PCI buses, so it seems overclocking this CPU to 2.1GHz *should* be feasible with good memory, or relaxed timings.

Hmmm.

Anybody has any information about the overclockability of these CPUs? It would seem the chances are much better with this one vs. the 3000 or 3200, thanks to the lower multiplier. I guess it all depends how they get binned, as there could be some nuggets among those CPUs, or they could all be unoverclockable dogs.

The cpu themselves are locked from higher multipliers above its default, they are unlocked for the lower ones. But to take advantage of the lower multis your mobo must also support manual multiplier adjustment. From a PCStats review the Abit KV8 series does not allow manual multiplier adjustment. The CG stepping cpus have been having the best results for overclocking. And this part of a review from here at Anandtech tells about the AGP/PCI and the supposed effect at 233 fsb :

Finally, at a 233FSB setting, the multiplier kicks in and we are back to 66/33 spec on the bus. The problem, of course, is that you have to reach 233 on overclock for the lower multiplier to kick in. We could not reach 233 with our Athlon64.

While we have seen it reported elsewhere on the web that VIA does fix PCI at 33 and allows AGP to float, we can find no evidence supporting that in the Abit BIOS. Frankly, we place more confidence in Abit's Engineers than we do on what is reported at other sites with no evidence. Based on what Abit tells us, we still have every reason to believe there is no AGP/PCI lock on the K8T800 chipset. This is also supported by the fact that we have never been able to overclock as far on a VIA board as we have achieved on an nForce3 chipset motherboard, which does implement AGP/PCI lock.

Edit: Just a personal note most of the cpus used in these reviews are 3200+ and are more than likely the less overclockable stepping C0, the 2800+ may have a little more overclock room especially if you get a CG stepping. Regardless for overclocking the nforce 3 250 or k8t800 pro would be better choices since they do have the AGP/PCI lock ability. This board is still good for minor overclocking, usually around 218~223 fsb stable.
 

RedShirt

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Originally posted by: nitrus
I understand your concerns redshirt, all points were indeed valid.

1) 754 will eventually become phased out i agree, but didnt we all get "obsolete" 865, 875, nforce2 MBs like 1.5 yrs ago? We will also have to fight the dual core upgrade itch (intel and amd) next year anyways. The computer industry is a vampire that will suck us all dry. You just have to bargain hunt.

2) Slowest proc and unoverclockable is a good point, however It can still beat a 3.0ghz Intel, any AMD XP, or XP-m for the price of just the 3.0ghz Intel proc or the XP 3200+ proc + $25.

3) With Intel getting on the 64bit bandwagon, it solidified 64bit processing. We ARE getting software and drivers by as early as next year (even though i say that optimistically). So early next year when i look for a new CPU and MB, the 64bit revolution will be in full swing. This will leave Northwood, Prescott, XP, XP-m with at least a 5 - 20% disadvantage, all for $200............

cmon out there, give me some reasons this aint a good deal. nuthin against you redshirt jus my POV.

DevilsAdvocate : yeah the rockets kick a$$

It's hot for 198! I was confused and thought Farcry was manditory.
 

CrazyGamer

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Update: Abit combo is now dead (discount removed). Also the Chaintech combo with Farcry has been changed (discount removed except for price of the game) to $261.
 

lizardboy

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They must be swamped - Newegg is usually better than this. I ordered 6/29, still hasn't shipped.
 
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Originally posted by: lizardboy
They must be swamped - Newegg is usually better than this. I ordered 6/29, still hasn't shipped.

I ordered the same date and mine shipped yesterday. What step is it on?
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: lizardboy
They must be swamped - Newegg is usually better than this. I ordered 6/29, still hasn't shipped.

I ordered the same date and mine shipped yesterday. What step is it on?
Same here, I ordered on the evening of the 29th, it shipped out mid-day on the 30th, and it's already at the local hub for delivery tomorrow. I did opt to get "rush processing", but that has no influence on processing time, since they refund your money if they don't get it out in time, so it's basically a free $3 for them for doing something they already do most of the time(apparantly 98% of all orders ship within the rush processing time frame).
 
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Originally posted by: lizardboy
I'm still on Step 2.

Either you're right that they are just swamped or they had incorrect stock numbers (not likely) or there has just been delay in updating your account. For a while a few months back, it wasn't uncommon to get your delivery from Newegg before being notified in email on their site that it had shipped...but those were usually stuck on step 3.