Daylight Savings Time

[nakedfrog]

So you never travel? Stay up late to watch a movie, sleep in, get up early?

Regularly? Absolutely not.
Travel, yes, very infrequently. Stay up late to watch a movie? No, if it's that late, I just won't start the movie that night. Sleep in, eh, only if I'm behind on sleep. Get up early? Maybe if I have to drop someone off at the airport or something crazy.

 

[Zorba]

Regularly? Absolutely not.
Travel, yes, very infrequently. Stay up late to watch a movie? No, if it's that late, I just won't start the movie that night. Sleep in, eh, only if I'm behind on sleep. Get up early? Maybe if I have to drop someone off at the airport or something crazy.

So would you say any of that happens more than twice a year?

 

[nakedfrog]

So would you say any of that happens more than twice a year?

I would say it's not relevant, because it's not a complete adjustment to my circadian schedule for months on end, but a brief interruption that can be rectified fairly quickly, as my normal sleep/wake times other than the day of the interruption can resume. Yes, I understand there are people like you for whom this adjustment takes mere days, and I say bravo unto you, but it doesn't help me any.

 

[Zorba]

I would say it's not relevant, because it's not a complete adjustment to my circadian schedule for months on end, but a brief interruption that can be rectified fairly quickly, as my normal sleep/wake times other than the day of the interruption can resume. Yes, I understand there are people like you for whom this adjustment takes mere days, and I say bravo unto you, but it doesn't help me any.

How is losing an hour of sleep on a random Sunday picked by the government different than a random Sunday picked by you?

I know people that travel through time zones numerous times a year, and never complained. But then cry a river about DST. An hour is an hour, makes no sense to me, except people like to bitch about things they have no control over.

Especially with traveling, since the solar noon changes as well as the gaining or lose of an hour.

 

[nakedfrog]

How is losing an hour of sleep on a random Sunday picked by the government different than a random Sunday picked by you?

I know people that travel through time zones numerous times a year, and never complained. But then cry a river about DST. An hour is an hour, makes no sense to me, except people like to bitch about things they have no control over.

Especially with traveling, since the solar noon changes as well as the gaining or lose of an hour.

It's not the "losing an hour of sleep" that's a bother, it's "completely altering my biological schedule so what was 7AM is now 8AM". Waking time changes, sleeping time changes, meal times change. That's what takes weeks to adjust to.

 

[JD50]

It's not the "losing an hour of sleep" that's a bother, it's "completely altering my biological schedule so what was 7AM is now 8AM". Waking time changes, sleeping time changes, meal times change. That's what takes weeks to adjust to.

lol it's just 1 hour

 

[nakedfrog]

lol it's just 1 hour

Like I said, fucking hooray for you if that's a trivial adjustment for you, here's your cookie, now GTFO.

 

[hal2kilo]

Must be neat to have a sleep pattern to disturb.

 

[JD50]

Like I said, fucking hooray for you if that's a trivial adjustment for you, here's your cookie, now GTFO.

I couldn't imagine living such a rigid life that changing my schedule by 1 hour would be "completely altering my biological schedule " lol. I take it you've never had kids? A job with even the slightest variation in schedule? Jesus you must be miserable.

 

[nakedfrog]

I couldn't imagine living such a rigid life that changing my schedule by 1 hour would be "completely altering my biological schedule " lol. I take it you've never had kids? A job with even the slightest variation in schedule? Jesus you must be miserable.

Actually, I'm a very happy person, with kids aged 25 and 18.
And I got news for you, buddy, if you changed your work schedule so that you got up an hour earlier and went to bed an hour earlier, you're still completely altering your biological schedule. I'd guess you just don't notice because you're a cookie-winning bastard.

 

[JD50]

Actually, I'm a very happy person, with kids aged 25 and 18.
And I got news for you, buddy, if you changed your work schedule so that you got up an hour earlier and went to bed an hour earlier, you're still completely altering your biological schedule. I'd guess you just don't notice because you're a cookie-winning bastard.

No I'm just not a whiny bitch. I have no idea how you survived your children's early years if you get this cranky after changing your schedule by one hour, lol.

 

[nakedfrog]

No I'm just not a whiny bitch. I have no idea how you survived your children's early years if you get this cranky after changing your schedule by one hour, lol.

Having a kid wake you up in the night doesn't alter your schedule, you know, you're just behind on sleep for a little bit. Weird how this concept seems to be difficult for you, maybe you're just a stupid bitch instead of a whiny one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[hal2kilo]

Before the kindler and gentle ways of todays Navy, there used to be a schedule that some sub captains had that was called the Vulcan Death Watch. I got to go on one sea trial, where this was still practiced. How about an 18 hour day, rotating through the normal 24 hour day. 12 hours off, 6 hours on. I loved it.

 

[Red Squirrel]

People say it's "just one hour" but it's one hour every day. When you get up in the morning you're now getting up one hour earlier. When you go to bed at night you are now going to bed one hour earlier. Everything is earlier. For me I find it does not matter at what time I go to bed, it's what time I get up. Getting up at 5am I will be more tired throughout the day than if I got up at 6am, for example. Does not really matter what time I went to bed at. But that's the other thing when I go to bed early, I'm not tired enough so I may not fall asleep as fast either.

There's also lot of physiological effects that it causes, which as you get older get worse. It never affected me that badly before but in the past few years I find it often starts to trigger depression. I figured out ways to prevent it such as trying to get more daylight, and trying to avoid sleeping in too much on my days off, but either way I tend to start to feel down for the few months following the time change. It's not just the time change, it's the season itself but the time change is the straw that breaks the cammel's back.

 

[JD50]

Having a kid wake you up in the night doesn't alter your schedule, you know, you're just behind on sleep for a little bit. Weird how this concept seems to be difficult for you, maybe you're just a stupid bitch instead of a whiny one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe your memory is a little foggy due to having to completely alter your biological schedule this weekend but there's a bit more to it than just waking up once or twice in the middle of the night, haha. My little ones tended to rise with the sun which, if you're not familiar with how that works, isn't the same time every day. Combine that with 3 kids at different ages, both me and my wife working, dogs, etc... what's a schedule?

 

[nakedfrog]

Maybe your memory is a little foggy due to having to completely alter your biological schedule this weekend but there's a bit more to it than just waking up once or twice in the middle of the night, haha. My little ones tended to rise with the sun which, if you're not familiar with how that works, isn't the same time every day. Combine that with 3 kids at different ages, both me and my wife working, dogs, etc... what's a schedule?

If you're keeping notes, I'm altering my biological schedule over the next few weeks, this weekend was only the beginning, hence my whining
Maybe you didn't keep a schedule when you were rearing kids, but I did. I can see how it would be easy to not keep a schedule if it's something trivial to you, but we don't all function the same way, weirdly enough.

 

[nOOky]

Sorry you don't have a set schedule. I do, and changing the time twice a year is neither necessary anymore, nor desirable. If it doesn't affect you, that's great, but a great many people hate it.

Some of us would rather have it go away to avoid those two times when we meaninglessly adjust the clock mainly because it takes an adjustment period to get used to. I'm getting up right after sunrise, then all of a sudden I have to get up in the dark for reasons? Since you can't really make an argument for it yourself, why do you care if other people hate it and want it gone?

 

[JD50]

Sorry you don't have a set schedule. I do, and changing the time twice a year is neither necessary anymore, nor desirable. If it doesn't affect you, that's great, but a great many people hate it.

Some of us would rather have it go away to avoid those two times when we meaninglessly adjust the clock mainly because it takes an adjustment period to get used to. I'm getting up right after sunrise, then all of a sudden I have to get up in the dark for reasons? Since you can't really make an argument for it yourself, why do you care if other people hate it and want it gone?

I think the time change is dumb and I'd much prefer year round DST, I love having more time after work to go for a run, be outside, etc... Leaving work in the dark at 5 in the afternoon sucks. However I think some of these reactions to adjusting your schedule by one hour 2 times a year are a little over the top.

 

[Zorba]

It's not the "losing an hour of sleep" that's a bother, it's "completely altering my biological schedule so what was 7AM is now 8AM". Waking time changes, sleeping time changes, meal times change. That's what takes weeks to adjust to.

What do you do when you change timezones? What do you do when the sun comes up and goes down at different times (which happens literally everyday)?

 

[Zorba]

People say it's "just one hour" but it's one hour every day. When you get up in the morning you're now getting up one hour earlier. When you go to bed at night you are now going to bed one hour earlier. Everything is earlier. For me I find it does not matter at what time I go to bed, it's what time I get up. Getting up at 5am I will be more tired throughout the day than if I got up at 6am, for example. Does not really matter what time I went to bed at. But that's the other thing when I go to bed early, I'm not tired enough so I may not fall asleep as fast either.

There's also lot of physiological effects that it causes, which as you get older get worse. It never affected me that badly before but in the past few years I find it often starts to trigger depression. I figured out ways to prevent it such as trying to get more daylight, and trying to avoid sleeping in too much on my days off, but either way I tend to start to feel down for the few months following the time change. It's not just the time change, it's the season itself but the time change is the straw that breaks the cammel's back.

Sounds like your issue is more when the time falls back an hour, and you get significantly less daylight due to your far northern latitude.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I can count on one hand the number of times I had to switch time zones, it's not like that's something that happens often. And when it does, it might be a trip for like a week or something then you go back to normal. So it's not really a big deal. And because you're in a different time zone, the daylight is still in sync with the clocks, so it matters less anyway. Arbitrarily changing the time is different than physically going to another time zone.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Sounds like your issue is more when the time falls back an hour, and you get significantly less daylight due to your far northern latitude.

That happens either way, whether we were to fall back or not. The fall back never really affects me since it gives an extra hour rather than take one away. Either way it's dark before work and dark after work. Though if we did not fall back, we would probably get a small amount of light after work, but not much.

 

[Zorba]

Sorry you don't have a set schedule. I do, and changing the time twice a year is neither necessary anymore, nor desirable. If it doesn't affect you, that's great, but a great many people hate it.

Some of us would rather have it go away to avoid those two times when we meaninglessly adjust the clock mainly because it takes an adjustment period to get used to. I'm getting up right after sunrise, then all of a sudden I have to get up in the dark for reasons? Since you can't really make an argument for it yourself, why do you care if other people hate it and want it gone?

There are lots of good arguments for it. The man one being it gives people an extra how to enjoy the evening after they get off work/school. Research has been done to prove this actually happens as well, it isn't just theoretical. Also, it increases spending later in the day so it is good for the economy.

My daughter has been out every night after dinner, when it was dark after dinner last week.

If you all don't like changing the clock, write your congressmen to support this bill, so we have DST year round.

BTW: You all do know sunrise changes every day, regardless of whether or not DST occurs, right?

Seattle, Washington - Sunrise, sunset, dawn and dusk times for the whole year

Seattle, Washington - sunrise, sunset, dawn and dusk times for the whole year in a graph, day length and changes in lengths in a table. Basic information, like local time and the location on a world map, are also featured.

www.gaisma.com

 

[Zorba]

I think the time change is dumb and I'd much prefer year round DST, I love having more time after work to go for a run, be outside, etc... Leaving work in the dark at 5 in the afternoon sucks. However I think some of these reactions to adjusting your schedule by one hour 2 times a year are a little over the top.

I love DST for the extra daylight in the evening too, but it is also nice to have the later mornings in the summer as well. It makes it easier to run before the sun comes up on really hot or humid days. It's also nice if you do a sunrise sport like fishing or hot air ballooning as it delays the start an hour. Sucks heading out to go ballooning at 4 am.

I wish we'd just make it year round already.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I love DST for the extra daylight in the evening too, but it is also nice to have the later mornings in the summer as well. It makes it easier to run before the sun comes up on really hot or humid days. It's also nice if you do a sunrise sport like fishing or hot air ballooning as it delays the start an hour. Sucks heading out to go ballooning at 4 am.

I wish we'd just make it year round already.

Sucks in the winter when it's still dark at 8AM.

I'd prefer standard time year round.

In order of preference:

Year Round Standard > Year Round DST > Switching back and forth.