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Muse

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Washington state passed this in 2019, but it had to go to Congress to be approved. So naturally, nothing happened after that.
Hawaii doesn't mess with that, I'm told. You can leave your clocks as is. I'm all for that. I used to like DST, decades ago. Now, I really don't. Probably the biggest argument in favor of it is the kids. People don't want to take their kids to school in the dark, stuff like that. But the schools could change their schedules, so that would be what seems to me a simple workaround.

They call it DST because most people wake up way after the sun rises within, say, 8 weeks of June 21. Myself, I don't care because I'm an early riser. In fact, before the pandemic I'd wake up way before sunrise even in late June because I liked to play golf and if I could I'd be the first guy out! Don't know what's coming but I hear my home course has been overrun by golf newbies what with the pandemic and it may never let up now that they've got the bug. Dang pandemic.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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Ok.... Ok....
Solution....
We need two suns. One Sun offset an hour from the other Sun. Or if science can't handle that, simply change the rotation of the earth. Slow it down a little. After all, either of the two ideas would be a lot easier than messing with the wall clock twice a year. And why should we be forced to mess with setting and resetting our clocks twice a year? How barbaric is THAT? That is like needing to disassemble your entire cell phone just to turn it on and off. Switches were made to easily turn things on and off, and we definitely need two Suns up there in the sky. I'd suggest an LED Sun. Lasts longer.
I think there may be a shuttle going to the double star solar system you crave. Check with Elon Musk.
 

Zorba

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Hawaii doesn't mess with that, I'm told. You can leave your clocks as is. I'm all for that. I used to like DST, decades ago. Now, I really don't. Probably the biggest argument in favor of it is the kids. People don't want to take their kids to school in the dark, stuff like that. But the schools could change their schedules, so that would be what seems to me a simple workaround.

They call it DST because most people wake up way after the sun rises within, say, 8 weeks of June 21. Myself, I don't care because I'm an early riser. In fact, before the pandemic I'd wake up way before sunrise even in late June because I liked to play golf and if I could I'd be the first guy out! Don't know what's coming but I hear my home course has been overrun by golf newbies what with the pandemic and it may never let up now that they've got the bug. Dang pandemic.
It's because most outdoor activities happen after work/school and work/school don't change start times bases on sunset times.

I'm all in on year round DST, but I really don't get the big deal with changing clocks except people like to bitch about minor things. I've been on cruises that the clock changes everyday. Pretty much every vacation I change time zones. It's an hour, I'm will to be most people have at least an hour of variability in their sleep schedule on a regular basis.
 

nakedfrog

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Hawaii doesn't mess with that, I'm told. You can leave your clocks as is. I'm all for that. I used to like DST, decades ago. Now, I really don't. Probably the biggest argument in favor of it is the kids. People don't want to take their kids to school in the dark, stuff like that. But the schools could change their schedules, so that would be what seems to me a simple workaround.

They call it DST because most people wake up way after the sun rises within, say, 8 weeks of June 21. Myself, I don't care because I'm an early riser. In fact, before the pandemic I'd wake up way before sunrise even in late June because I liked to play golf and if I could I'd be the first guy out! Don't know what's coming but I hear my home course has been overrun by golf newbies what with the pandemic and it may never let up now that they've got the bug. Dang pandemic.
Hawaii is on Standard Time, a state can move to permanent Standard Time without Congressional approval, but adopting permanent Daylight Time does require it o_O
 

nakedfrog

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It's because most outdoor activities happen after work/school and work/school don't change start times bases on sunset times.

I'm all in on year round DST, but I really don't get the big deal with changing clocks except people like to bitch about minor things. I've been on cruises that the clock changes everyday. Pretty much every vacation I change time zones. It's an hour, I'm will to be most people have at least an hour of variability in their sleep schedule on a regular basis.
I sure don't, and it takes me weeks to adjust to the new time.
 

IronWing

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do not spring forward.
keep standard time year round.
I will fight this to the death.
No, no, a thousand times no! We must keep DST all year. Arizona doesn’t practice DST so during the summer, our east coast corporate headquarters is an extra hour ahead of my office. That’s one less hour that I have to deal with them in real time every day. This is all about me.
 

nOOky

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No, no, a thousand times no! We must keep DST all year. Arizona doesn’t practice DST so during the summer, our east coast corporate headquarters is an extra hour ahead of my office. That’s one less hour that I have to deal with them in real time every day. This is all about me.

Let's get rid of those pesky time zones also, that way we'll always know what time it is everywhere! When a football game is on at 3:00 it will be at the same time for everyone. Genius I tell ya.
 

Muse

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So you never travel? Stay up late to watch a movie, sleep in, get up early?
I do that stuff all the time. Really the 2x/year 1 hour change doesn't bother me beyond having to reset a handful of devices. It's no biggie, it's an inconvenience. I will not go out in the street with signs demonstrating for or against it.
Obligatory semi annual video to watch:

I could only stand the first minute and had to bail.
 
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Muse

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I did all my indoors clock adjustments tonight, 9 devices!!!!!!!!!!

My car can wait. Hope it's not late.
 

nexus5rocks

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That's going to be a big deal and a lot of money is going to go into making that change happen.
All you IT consultants better clear your schedule. You are going to be buying a boat soon.
Why? It’s a patch installation at the OS or your ntp.
 

Red Squirrel

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Why? It’s a patch installation at the OS or your ntp.

Someone still has to code that patch, for every OS/platform. And it still needs to be installed. Knowing Windows, that will probably require a reboot too. That's a big deal for some systems.

Either way it will be worth it if it happens though.
 

fskimospy

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As a note we tried this in 1974 and people hated it so much it was quickly repealed. Apparently people REALLY don’t like getting up in the dark.

 
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sportage

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For those that were drunk when it came time to adjust your clocks, you gotta do it all over again. You see, you were suppose to turn the clocks ahead an hour, not back an hour as you probably did. And for those on drugs or smoking the funny stuff, your missing clock is in the toilet. Check it out. ;)

PS. If Donald Trump ran again come 2024, running on one campaign promise and one promise alone to do away entirely with DST, sorry my liberal friends but I'd vote for him. If Donald Trump promised to get rid of this DST crapola that no one understands and that no one supports, yep he would get my vote. (hint hint)
 
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Muse

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Someone still has to code that patch, for every OS/platform. And it still needs to be installed. Knowing Windows, that will probably require a reboot too. That's a big deal for some systems.

Either way it will be worth it if it happens though.
I figure I spend 2-3 hours a year making PDT <--> PST adjustments
 

Red Squirrel

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As a note we tried this in 1974 and people hated it so much it was quickly repealed. Apparently people REALLY don’t like getting up in the dark.


Thing is, it happens anyway. It does suck, but it happens anyway. What we should be pushing for is reducing work hours in winter. Would be nice to go to 6 hour days, then you could get a bit of daylight before work and after work.

Of course this would not really work for shift work jobs but they could still reduce total hours to provide more days off so you see daylight more often.
 

nOOky

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So nice this morning to wake up in the darkness tired and grumpy versus waking up with the sun coming up. Usually takes me a week to or so of work to get acclimated. Ugh.