Davis will face recall

[zantac]

Democrats in california are the strongest in the country, I don't think this recall will do anything more than waste california tax dollars in an already devastating budget crisis.

 

[0roo0roo]

What we have here which is disturbing, to borrow a word, is a tyranny of a minority, a recall based on the signatures of a small minority of the state's population.

bingo, its funded by the losers of the last election to disrupt government. using a safeguard that should be reserved for removing politicians who have commited hienous crimes for partisan gain instead. its an abuse of process.

much like the impeachment of clinton


its one thing to have a grassroots effort to bring on change, its another to have one funded by partisan losers with far far less then a majority supporting them.

CA is squarely to blame for their budget problems. It has been mismanaged

you should say that about most every state around then. its the economy stupid. which state was the most affected by the internet bust? all that stock income etc? gone! during the boom years ca had tax cuts passed etc, something republicans ALWAYS want eh? those are coming back to bite us too. thats why its so huge.

 

[0roo0roo]

this is the kind of scum behind the recall. the main backer Issa is a criminal

 

[LunarRay]

Davis is no dummy... he is among the brightest of the Dems... he was Jerry Brown's Chief of Staff.. Regardless of your opinion of Davis the dynamics of the California Economy would have created the same scenerio for any govenor.. see budget link above..

Issa is a little twerp.. met him at the Del Mar fair recently... spoke with him for awhile... I acting in my normal dumb manner.. engaged him in the economic topic... during which I remained dumb... then using semi dumb but pointed questions I allowed him to really feel good about himself... Lets say I left with a smirk on my face and a chuckle...

 

[JellyBaby]

They tried to impeach Clinton, even though majority of Americans were against it. Then we have 2000 election, and losing the popular vote. And now, we have this.

The majority doesn't rule in America and that's by design. The electoral system was also designed in part to inhibit a true, pure democracy because that's essentially mob rule. Today our elected officials compromise their duties by basing decisions on poll results. It's getting serious and I think it's causing real harm to this country's integrity.

Hmmm, some good points against the recall in this thread. I recall my position of favoring the recall.

 

[Moonbeam]

Issa is a little twerp.. met him at the Del Mar fair recently... spoke with him for awhile... I acting in my normal dumb manner.. engaged him in the economic topic... during which I remained dumb... then using semi dumb but pointed questions I allowed him to really feel good about himself... Lets say I left with a smirk on my face and a chuckle...

You are a rascal. I'm not safe.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Issa is a little twerp.. met him at the Del Mar fair recently... spoke with him for awhile... I acting in my normal dumb manner.. engaged him in the economic topic... during which I remained dumb... then using semi dumb but pointed questions I allowed him to really feel good about himself... Lets say I left with a smirk on my face and a chuckle...

You are a rascal. I'm not safe.

Mom said be nice to moonbeam.. he may eclipse you... I don't like Issa.. He started the Car Alarm "Viper" company and is Rep for the Vista area.. We only have Conservative talk radio around here so everyone supports him... but, I don't.. something about him irks me... not sure what it is ... but... I'd not support someone who irks me... even if it was Clinton..

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

They tried to impeach Clinton, even though majority of Americans were against it. Then we have 2000 election, and losing the popular vote. And now, we have this.

The majority doesn't rule in America and that's by design. The electoral system was also designed in part to inhibit a true, pure democracy because that's essentially mob rule. Today our elected officials compromise their duties by basing decisions on poll results. It's getting serious and I think it's causing real harm to this country's integrity.

Hmmm, some good points against the recall in this thread. I recall my position of favoring the recall.

This recall presents accountabilty for Politicians. That is what is broken in the U.S. system, there is no accountabilty from the bottom until you go all the way to the top, The Supreme Court, everything else in between has been erradicated by design in corruption.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Michael
DealMonkey - Republican governor and Democrat House and Senate. Both parties are to "blame" for the deregulation. Not that it is a bad idea, but it was implemented poorly considering the lack of investment in supply in California.

Also, California's budget gap is huge compared to other states. Mostly caused by decisions made inside California, not outside mandated spending increases. California is almost a 1 party state. The Democrats have every sigle state-wide office at this point. However, this is also a state that was a leader in medical tort reform that is being blocked in Washington now and it actually is an OK place to practice medicine in.

Michael

- edit - I'll insert my personal opinion - the recall is a dumb idea. The situation really isn't all that different than what was presented last election. Davis won it. I think this isn't quite what the recall was intended for. This would have been better to be settled the next general election for Governor.

When is the next General Election for Governor there? Can the citizens of Cali wait that long?

 

[zantac]

This recall was filed in Feb. which was 1 month after Davis' term started. Just sour grapes from sore losers.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zantac
This recall was filed in Feb. which was 1 month after Davis' term started. Just sour grapes from sore losers.

They may be some sore losers but wasn't that a re-election and not his first term?

 

[Michael]

The basic argument was that Davis lied about how bad the budget problems were and that he never would have been reelected if the voters of California only knew.

There is a kernal of truth there - the deficit projects did make a huge jump. However, the fact that there was a large deficit coming and that Davis was mostly resposnible for it was no secret and was argued during the election. I sometimes listen to talk radio (I live in the East Bay area of SF) and this was definately discussed including speculation that the numbers were worse.

The Republicans ran a fairly weak candidate. He was one more true to what the party stands for, but he ran a very poor campaign.

California does not like Gray Davis or the job he has been doing. He has the work approval rating of a California Governor in history. However, he was reelected abd I think that the recall is a poor idea and it would be better to wait until the next General Election (4 years, I think).

Michael

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Michael
The basic argument was that Davis lied about how bad the budget problems were and that he never would have been reelected if the voters of California only knew.

There is a kernal of truth there - the deficit projects did make a huge jump. However, the fact that there was a large deficit coming and that Davis was mostly resposnible for it was no secret and was argued during the election. I sometimes listen to talk radio (I live in the East Bay area of SF) and this was definately discussed including speculation that the numbers were worse.

The Republicans ran a fairly weak candidate. He was one more true to what the party stands for, but he ran a very poor campaign.

California does not like Gray Davis or the job he has been doing. He has the work approval rating of a California Governor in history. However, he was reelected abd I think that the recall is a poor idea and it would be better to wait until the next General Election (4 years, I think).

Michael

4 years? Sounds to me that they are doing the right thing then.

While there is some truth to the fact it has taken a rich boy to launch the recall campaign, it underscores that is takes a ton of money going either way now in the Political process. Politicians have to be un-bought just as expensively as they are bought.

 

[DealMonkey]

I think the bottom line is there is some dissatisfaction with Gray Davis, however that is what the election was for. I think this is essentially the republicans opening the box of dirty tricks. You've got the various redestricting efforts underway in many states where republicans hold sway. Now, in CA you have the recall effort. It's pretty underhanded if you ask me. If they just ran a decent candidate in CA, maybe they would have had a chance.

Besides, I haven't heard any plans to fix the budgetary problems from Issa or any other potential candidate. What's their plan exactly? No one's going to recall Davis without a viable candidate with a plan of action.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
I agree with CADkindaGUY and feel this is healthy in a general sense. Leaders who lead so poorly they get their state into a fiscal crisis need to know they can be held accountable and removed should the citizens demand it.

I just hope they don't replace one fool with another.

I wonder if Ahnuld might be that fool? His politics are unknown to me though I've heard he's a liberal republican (Maria's influence?).

He pledged to stay married to Shriver in sickness and in health, Schwarzenegger said,
adding, ?And being a Democrat is a sickness.?

Doubt if his wife influences him that much. He's a pretty gung ho Republican. I doubt if I would call him a democrat or a liberal....at least not to his face or anywhere else near him...

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: zantac
Democrats in california are the strongest in the country, I don't think this recall will do anything more than waste california tax dollars in an already devastating budget crisis.

Aren't most of the tax dollars wasted anyways? As long as Davis or Simon are not Governor than it will probably be worth it.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I think it's a terrible idea. We have elections for a reason. Davis won. I would have hoped that GOP have nominated Riordan.
I don't think we should have partisan recalls just because you can raise 1 million signatures. Considering we have 30 million people in CA, i don't think a tiny minority should have the right to distract a sitting governor by forcing him into a recall election whenever they please.

Only about 15 million are eligible voters, and only about 8 million of those are active participants. I find the senate rules that allow a single senator to fillibuster any piece of legislation much more threatening.

 

[dmcowen674]

Davis called the 1.3 Million citizens that signed the recall petition "Losers".

Davis To Face Recall Election

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Davis called the 1.3 Million citizens that signed the recall petition "Losers".

Davis To Face Recall Election

That's what they are. We just had an election less than 1 year ago, and despite Davis being incredibly unpopular, these losers nominated another loser, and (gasp) LOST to Davis.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

They tried to impeach Clinton, even though majority of Americans were against it. Then we have 2000 election, and losing the popular vote. And now, we have this.

The majority doesn't rule in America and that's by design. The electoral system was also designed in part to inhibit a true, pure democracy because that's essentially mob rule. Today our elected officials compromise their duties by basing decisions on poll results. It's getting serious and I think it's causing real harm to this country's integrity.

Hmmm, some good points against the recall in this thread. I recall my position of favoring the recall.

This recall presents accountabilty for Politicians. That is what is broken in the U.S. system, there is no accountabilty from the bottom until you go all the way to the top, The Supreme Court, everything else in between has been erradicated by design in corruption.

We already have elections where the governor is held accountable by all voters at a scheduled time. The governor doesn't have to be accountable to an activist minority opposition which can basically threaten him with a recall to get its way, when it couldn't do it at the ballot box.

 

[SuperTool]

In this recall election, can we vote to keep Davis, and also vote in the second part for who you want in case Davis does get recalled?
OR do you only vote in the second part if you voted to recall Davis?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Davis called the 1.3 Million citizens that signed the recall petition "Losers".

Davis To Face Recall Election

That's what they are. We just had an election less than 1 year ago, and despite Davis being incredibly unpopular, these losers nominated another loser, and (gasp) LOST to Davis.

bingo. theres a reason we have TERMS in a democracy, and not simply have a daily vote to keep a candidate in office. you want your leaders to have the ability to make unpopular decisions at times and not worry they'll be ripped out of office the next day. you don't want a leader with his finger in the wind 24/7.


something the ca republicans have not learned. well more like they don't care since they are just abusing the process.

 

[Macro2]

The people of Clifornia need not look any further than their bathroom mirror to see who is responsible for there budgt deficit and generally sad state. Gray may go but what they really need is a "Chainsaw Al". Someone who can make the hard choices.

 

[Drensch]

You need 12% of voters to enact a recall. Here's the can of worms that Issa has opened. The recall, will no doubt have a low voter turnout, thus the 12% will be an even lower number than required to recall Davis. The dems can hold their own recall with far less than 1 million signatures and in California it will be no problem. The republicans have started an endless spiral of recalls.

 

[Michael]

Here's a list of reasons why businesses are leaving (and taking revenue):

Fortune article

Michael