Davis will face recall

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Davis called the 1.3 Million citizens that signed the recall petition "Losers".

Davis To Face Recall Election

That's what they are. We just had an election less than 1 year ago, and despite Davis being incredibly unpopular, these losers nominated another loser, and (gasp) LOST to Davis.

bingo. theres a reason we have TERMS in a democracy, and not simply have a daily vote to keep a candidate in office. you want your leaders to have the ability to make unpopular decisions at times and not worry they'll be ripped out of office the next day. you don't want a leader with his finger in the wind 24/7.


something the ca republicans have not learned. well more like they don't care since they are just abusing the process.

Yeah, but Davis doesn't make the right decisions. Tax revenues are down because of the economy and because businesses are pulling out of California due to the high cost of doing business in CA. You don't raise taxes and go after business like that idiot Cruz Bustamante is proposing. That will only make things worse in the long run. No, you CUT SPENDING!!! How hard is that to figure out! If Governor Gumby (Joe aka Gray Davis) would figure that out instead of taxing and spending more he might not be the subject of a recall. This isn't about Republicans trying to gain control. It's about the people of this state who actually pay the bills telling the idiots in charge that we don't like the way they are running things.

Tax revenues have actually increased slightly in the past two years but spending has increased way more. That is why we are in the mess we are in now and you can lay that entirely at the party that has been in control for the past 7-8 years...the Democrats and Joe Davis (Gray isn't even his real name...It's Joseph Graham Davis, Gray must be an alias of some sort...pretty shakey huh?).

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
My only beef with the recall is that it will cost alot of taxpayers money to have the recall. But if that is what Californians want/need to get someone who they think will stand up and be the ideas guy then that is their call. I just hope they don't replace one fool with another. California is in need of strong leadership in the worst way.

We just hired an Electrical Engineer who worked and lived in the Bay area who says that it is alot worse than the national media is letting on. The teachers are in jeopardy of having to lay off thousands of teachers, and state workers are on the block too. I hope they can get things turned around quick no matter what they decide on the recall.

CkG

I heard on NPR that the cost of the recall will be around $45-70 million or something like that. Yes, that's a lot of money, but how much money has Davis cost CA? It's in the billions.

He basically lied about our budget situation in order to get re-elected and he signed long term power contracts near the end of the energy crisis when power prices were still super high. It was obvious at the time that the crisis was manufactured (approximately 33% or more of CA's power production was offline for 'routine maintenance' for an extended period of time among other things) and you NEVER sign long term contracts when prices are soaring. His term in office will be costing CA for years to come.

I don't know that his replacement (be it democrat or republican) will be much better, but they sure as hell can't be much worse.

Hah, I heard it's more like 6 million. Don't believe everything you hear.

And yes, Davis did lie about the budget situation and that other moron Bill Simon completely botched his campaign and instead of pointing this out he made accusations he couldn't back up and came out looking like a fool (which seems to be exactly what he's doing with Arnold right now-I don't know who advises this guy but whoever it is should be made unemployed).

 

[zantac]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


Hah, I heard it's more like 6 million. Don't believe everything you hear.

More like 6 million for L.A. county...

What is the cost of a special recall election?
According to information received from California's counties, the current estimated county cost of conducting the October 7, 2003 statewide special election is between $42 million and $55 million.

In addition, the state will incur costs of approximately $11 million to provide California's 15.3 million registered voters with the state voter information guide.

Therefore, the total estimated cost of the October 7, 2003 statewide special election is $53 million to $66 million.*

(*The estimated cost of the October 7, 2003 statewide special election is based on data supplied by California's 58 counties. Counties revised earlier cost estimates to reflect increased costs due to:

# No consolidation of the October 7, 2003 statewide special election with the existing local elections scheduled for November 4, 2003.
# Increased postage, staff overtime and printing costs, and other factors, resulting from a compressed election schedule.)

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_recall_faqs.htm#12

 

[JulesMaximus]

I still don't believe that figure. Consider the source.

 

[zantac]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I still don't believe that figure. Consider the source.

Let me guess, party affiliation? It isnt true unless every conservative says so, right?

Edit: Oh, and lets see your trustworthy "source" that says this election is going to be 6 million dollars.

 

[Red Dawn]

This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

I never said it was illegal, it's just uinderhanded which seems to be typical for Republicans. I look back to them trying to oust Clionton for lying about getting his Johnson waxed. While I am not too happy with the Deomcrats I vehemently hate the Republican party (more like the extremists who have hijacked the Republican party)

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

First time the smell of slop has finally overcome the Pig Party's inhibitions. The swine grow bolder day by day.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

I never said it was illegal, it's just uinderhanded which seems to be typical for Republicans. I look back to them trying to oust Clionton for lying about getting his Johnson waxed. While I am not too happy with the Deomcrats I vehemently hate the Republican party (more like the extremists who have hijacked the Republican party)

Oh, I see, so when the republicans do it it's "underhanded" or circumventing the "Democratic Election Process" but in '68, or the multiple other times it was attempted, it wasn't? Don't give me the "living in the past" crap either - it is a valid point. The fact is that recalls have been attempted many times but none have gotten the support needed like this one has. Seems to me that Gray-out has an ~22% approval rating....but yeah, I guess it is the "evil" extremist Republicans. Don't like the law - change it - don't just call it names.

Thank God I don't live in California, no matter how this turns out the people who lived there are screwed.
CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

I never said it was illegal, it's just uinderhanded which seems to be typical for Republicans. I look back to them trying to oust Clionton for lying about getting his Johnson waxed. While I am not too happy with the Deomcrats I vehemently hate the Republican party (more like the extremists who have hijacked the Republican party)

Oh, I see, so when the republicans do it it's "underhanded" or circumventing the "Democratic Election Process" but in '68, or the multiple other times it was attempted, it wasn't? Don't give me the "living in the past" crap either - it is a valid point. The fact is that recalls have been attempted many times but none have gotten the support needed like this one has. Seems to me that Gray-out has an ~22% approval rating....but yeah, I guess it is the "evil" extremist Republicans. Don't like the law - change it - don't just call it names.

Thank God I don't live in California, no matter how this turns out the people who lived there are screwed.
CkG

I live in CA and I think that the situation's been over-hyped. It's not nearly the end of the world everyone's making it... It does make for good political fodder, however.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

I never said it was illegal, it's just uinderhanded which seems to be typical for Republicans. I look back to them trying to oust Clionton for lying about getting his Johnson waxed. While I am not too happy with the Deomcrats I vehemently hate the Republican party (more like the extremists who have hijacked the Republican party)

Oh, I see, so when the republicans do it it's "underhanded" or circumventing the "Democratic Election Process" but in '68, or the multiple other times it was attempted, it wasn't? Don't give me the "living in the past" crap either - it is a valid point. The fact is that recalls have been attempted many times but none have gotten the support needed like this one has. Seems to me that Gray-out has an ~22% approval rating....but yeah, I guess it is the "evil" extremist Republicans. Don't like the law - change it - don't just call it names.

Thank God I don't live in California, no matter how this turns out the people who lived there are screwed.
CkG

Well as an Ex Californian all I can say is that as bad as it seems California is still better than any other place in the Continental US.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

I never said it was illegal, it's just uinderhanded which seems to be typical for Republicans. I look back to them trying to oust Clionton for lying about getting his Johnson waxed. While I am not too happy with the Deomcrats I vehemently hate the Republican party (more like the extremists who have hijacked the Republican party)

Oh, I see, so when the republicans do it it's "underhanded" or circumventing the "Democratic Election Process" but in '68, or the multiple other times it was attempted, it wasn't? Don't give me the "living in the past" crap either - it is a valid point. The fact is that recalls have been attempted many times but none have gotten the support needed like this one has. Seems to me that Gray-out has an ~22% approval rating....but yeah, I guess it is the "evil" extremist Republicans. Don't like the law - change it - don't just call it names.

Thank God I don't live in California, no matter how this turns out the people who lived there are screwed.
CkG

I live in CA and I think that the situation's been over-hyped. It's not nearly the end of the world everyone's making it... It does make for good political fodder, however.

No, not the end of the world but it would suck.

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

I never said it was illegal, it's just uinderhanded which seems to be typical for Republicans. I look back to them trying to oust Clionton for lying about getting his Johnson waxed. While I am not too happy with the Deomcrats I vehemently hate the Republican party (more like the extremists who have hijacked the Republican party)

Oh, I see, so when the republicans do it it's "underhanded" or circumventing the "Democratic Election Process" but in '68, or the multiple other times it was attempted, it wasn't? Don't give me the "living in the past" crap either - it is a valid point. The fact is that recalls have been attempted many times but none have gotten the support needed like this one has. Seems to me that Gray-out has an ~22% approval rating....but yeah, I guess it is the "evil" extremist Republicans. Don't like the law - change it - don't just call it names.

Thank God I don't live in California, no matter how this turns out the people who lived there are screwed.
CkG

I live in CA and I think that the situation's been over-hyped. It's not nearly the end of the world everyone's making it... It does make for good political fodder, however.

No, not the end of the world but it would suck.

CkG

I'd rather live here than Kansas. Or pretty much anywhere else. What's so "sucky," in your opinion?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

I never said it was illegal, it's just uinderhanded which seems to be typical for Republicans. I look back to them trying to oust Clionton for lying about getting his Johnson waxed. While I am not too happy with the Deomcrats I vehemently hate the Republican party (more like the extremists who have hijacked the Republican party)

Oh, I see, so when the republicans do it it's "underhanded" or circumventing the "Democratic Election Process" but in '68, or the multiple other times it was attempted, it wasn't? Don't give me the "living in the past" crap either - it is a valid point. The fact is that recalls have been attempted many times but none have gotten the support needed like this one has. Seems to me that Gray-out has an ~22% approval rating....but yeah, I guess it is the "evil" extremist Republicans. Don't like the law - change it - don't just call it names.

Thank God I don't live in California, no matter how this turns out the people who lived there are screwed.
CkG

I live in CA and I think that the situation's been over-hyped. It's not nearly the end of the world everyone's making it... It does make for good political fodder, however.

No, not the end of the world but it would suck.

CkG

I'd rather live here than Kansas. Or pretty much anywhere else. What's so "sucky," in your opinion?

Mostly from the opinion of a guy who just moved here from Cali and the things they have and are doing in their state gov't which is in the news. Car tax, property tax, liscensing issues. Also, from what my co-worker has said the school system is pretty messed up but I think that is quite a widespread problem. He just says the attitude of the people out there is "different"...and he wasn't stating that in a positive fashion
Meh - I don't really know how it affects daily life but the issues we hear about here seem trivial compared to those coming out of Cali.

CkG

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

Two problems with the recall:

1. To qualify for a special election, you have to gather only 15% of the vote of the previous election. Amongst the 18 states that have some recall laws on the books, this is the lowest bar available.
2. A candidate can be elected to the governor's office with a plurality of the votes, which according to recent polling appears to be about 35% for Bustamante. It can, however, be much lower if there were a bevy of competitive candidates (right now, it's really a 2-horse race). Never mind that these numbers exclude the (un)popular support for the governor.

I think a time provision could work on two fronts as well. It's absurd that Issa started the recall effort just two months after the general election. That certainly appears to support Red Dawn's contention (i.e. can't win an election, so let's steal one). So perhaps a recall cannot qualify for at least a full year on the job. Secondly, it's not really in the state's best interests to spend $50 million on a special election. The recall should probably be consolidated with a regular election so that the 60-day circus does not occur at unnecessary cost to taxpayers.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is just another incident of the Republicans trying to circumvent the Democratic Election Process.

How so? The recall is very much a part of the California Election process. This just happens to be the first time it has actually been successful enough to bring it to a vote.

CkG

Two problems with the recall:

1. To qualify for a special election, you have to gather only 15% of the vote of the previous election. Amongst the 18 states that have some recall laws on the books, this is the lowest bar available.
2. A candidate can be elected to the governor's office with a plurality of the votes, which according to recent polling appears to be about 35% for Bustamante. It can, however, be much lower if there were a bevy of competitive candidates (right now, it's really a 2-horse race). Never mind that these numbers exclude the (un)popular support for the governor.

I think a time provision could work on two fronts as well. It's absurd that Issa started the recall effort just two months after the general election. That certainly appears to support Red Dawn's contention (i.e. can't win an election, so let's steal one). So perhaps a recall cannot qualify for at least a full year on the job. Secondly, it's not really in the state's best interests to spend $50 million on a special election. The recall should probably be consolidated with a regular election so that the 60-day circus does not occur at unnecessary cost to taxpayers.

Actually, it's 5%, and right now, it's really a 3 person race with Tom McClintock in the race. With much of Simon's former supporters expected to vote for him, and polls as of last night showing that Simon had 6%, McClintock 12%, Schwarzenegger 25%, and Bustamante 35%, McClintock could pose serious problems to Arnold if he does not withdraw-which is highly unlikely.