Dave Baumann of Beyond3D joins ATI

[Shamrock]

He's been with ATI for years, he just made it official yesterday. I wonder why he went red, hmm... It sure wasnt to live in Canada for work permits and a worse economy.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
I said what I said for the past...remember the 68xx series and X8xx series, and Dave was touting the superior AF? He used the "box" method, with a bunch of little boxes scaling into a bigger one? I managed to call him on it, because I had a CRT...I located the INFERIOR AF ATI had. He argued with me until I showed him proof. Luckily I was here in Anand's forums and he couldnt do anything. He made a special trip over here to argue the points. But over on "HIS" forums, he banned over 2 dozen people for proving him wrong on that little debacle.

And Dave being "mildly biased", and "high standards"? That is a bit overboard. More like "heavily biased toward ATI", and "high standards toward red". There, it's fixed.

It's not that I dont like ATI, it's Dave's blinders he has on. I'll admit, ATI has superior performance (marginally in SOME benchies), and that they have superior AF (NOW they do!), but nV has superior AA, and actually works in Linux. My main reason for going green.

He's visited me in these forums too Didn't get him anywhere though. I'm somewhat suprised his lordship hasn't made his indignation known in this thread. Leaving that to his fanatic minions I guess...

He he he, I got Geo to refer to him as "Baumann" I'm deliberately not being respectful to him when I call him "Baumann" and not "Dave" or "Dave Baumann"...

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor


He he he, I got Geo to refer to him as "Baumann" I'm deliberately not being respectful to him when I call him "Baumann" and not "Dave" or "Dave Baumann"...

You're not impressing anyone with your "rebel" attitude troll.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Whatever you reckon Geo. More like the fanatic majority didn't like me, and I stuck it up them every bit as much as they stuck it up nvidia. Something I'll continue to do no matter where I post, and fanatics like you, joker baumann and DW will never stop me until the fanatics and ATi stop attacking nvidia.

Because Nvidia would never do anything like that...... Oopsy

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor


He he he, I got Geo to refer to him as "Baumann" I'm deliberately not being respectful to him when I call him "Baumann" and not "Dave" or "Dave Baumann"...

You're not impressing anyone with your "rebel" attitude troll.

No ******.

Congrats Dave.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Nah, an even keel just looks like bias to those who are biased.

No, it's obvious Dave was mildly biased (I frequent B3D quite often).

The only reason I wasn't too bothered was because he didn't use his admin. position / title to force his opinion onto others, or disort facts to cast his affirmed company in an inaccurate light.

The way he conducted himself was part of a two-fold plan- He did it very tactfully as to ensure he was not revealed.
Also, to forceful of methods not only dont work but can turn some people off.
For example, you can tell I dont work for nV and have no affiliation because I'll get in your face on the forums and not only tell the blatant truth to those who do not want to hear it, but dont care what way I turn you. I dont even own any stocks in these companies.
A person would be far more tactful, and far more charismatic in presentation if someone was serious about "destroying ATI".

DB took his connection with ATI very seriously, and he did a good job into fooling those with closed eyes that he was unbiased.

He was so good at doing it for them, that hes now an official propaganda minister for ATI.
Theres no doubt in that, it was always the truth of the matter.. now it is the blatant truth.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor


He he he, I got Geo to refer to him as "Baumann" I'm deliberately not being respectful to him when I call him "Baumann" and not "Dave" or "Dave Baumann"...

ROFLMAO! :laugh: ya your real slick.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
I said what I said for the past...remember the 68xx series and X8xx series, and Dave was touting the superior AF? He used the "box" method, with a bunch of little boxes scaling into a bigger one? I managed to call him on it, because I had a CRT...I located the INFERIOR AF ATI had. He argued with me until I showed him proof. Luckily I was here in Anand's forums and he couldnt do anything. He made a special trip over here to argue the points. But over on "HIS" forums, he banned over 2 dozen people for proving him wrong on that little debacle.

And Dave being "mildly biased", and "high standards"? That is a bit overboard. More like "heavily biased toward ATI", and "high standards toward red". There, it's fixed.

It's not that I dont like ATI, it's Dave's blinders he has on. I'll admit, ATI has superior performance (marginally in SOME benchies), and that they have superior AF (NOW they do!), but nV has superior AA, and actually works in Linux. My main reason for going green.

If you're going to be a broken record, like Gregy, same ******....different day, I'd ban you also.
Nobody wants to see every thread veered into a back n' forth about the same crap, over and over.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Nah, an even keel just looks like bias to those who are biased.

No, it's obvious Dave was mildly biased (I frequent B3D quite often).

The only reason I wasn't too bothered was because he didn't use his admin. position / title to force his opinion onto others, or disort facts to cast his affirmed company in an inaccurate light.

The way he conducted himself was part of a two-fold plan- He did it very tactfully as to ensure he was not revealed.
Also, to forceful of methods not only dont work but can turn some people off.
For example, you can tell I dont work for nV and have no affiliation because I'll get in your face on the forums and not only tell the blatant truth to those who do not want to hear it, but dont care what way I turn you. I dont even own any stocks in these companies.
A person would be far more tactful, and far more charismatic in presentation if someone was serious about "destroying ATI".

DB took his connection with ATI very seriously, and he did a good job into fooling those with closed eyes that he was unbiased.

He was so good at doing it for them, that hes now an official propaganda minister for ATI.
Theres no doubt in that, it was always the truth of the matter.. now it is the blatant truth.

Thank you Detective Dipshit.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Crusader
I'll get in your face on the forums and not only tell the blatant -->truth<--to those who do not want to hear it, but dont care what way I turn you

hmmm...Crusader+"truth"= ???

You mean you give your OPINION. Like everybody else on this forum.

As for the topic, hopefully he does some good in the marketing department. Even I've noticed that average consumers don't think too highly of ATI(even if unwarranted).

 

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Shamrock
I said what I said for the past...remember the 68xx series and X8xx series, and Dave was touting the superior AF? He used the "box" method, with a bunch of little boxes scaling into a bigger one? I managed to call him on it, because I had a CRT...I located the INFERIOR AF ATI had. He argued with me until I showed him proof. Luckily I was here in Anand's forums and he couldnt do anything. He made a special trip over here to argue the points. But over on "HIS" forums, he banned over 2 dozen people for proving him wrong on that little debacle.

And Dave being "mildly biased", and "high standards"? That is a bit overboard. More like "heavily biased toward ATI", and "high standards toward red". There, it's fixed.

It's not that I dont like ATI, it's Dave's blinders he has on. I'll admit, ATI has superior performance (marginally in SOME benchies), and that they have superior AF (NOW they do!), but nV has superior AA, and actually works in Linux. My main reason for going green.

If you're going to be a broken record, like Gregy, same ******....different day, I'd ban you also.
Nobody wants to see every thread veered into a back n' forth about the same crap, over and over.

Hey I only said it once... You'd better ban yourself, because you're calling the kettle black. Snap out of your DB hypnotism. Did he wave a an ATI card in your face to hypnotise you into his cult? That was a pitiful attempt at shining DB's armor. :disgust:

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: geo1

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: geo1

Well, the rep system certainly sucks for those like yourself who like to claim that a pro-greenie must be a hunted animal at B3D, with Chalnoth and Uttar in the top 10. But you just keep telling yourself whatever you need to, Greg.

Uttar primarily transcripts conference calls and webcasts, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I guess because the conference calls and webcasts he covers are all from nVidia, you assume this puts him with a "pro-greenie" title, yet you take the same position with ATI, covering their qarterly conference calls and such, as well. Only once, recently, did you "attempt" to transcript (yea, sorry, I prefer Uttar's) a webcast that was held two months ago (for nVidia).

EDIT: One month ago, not two (end of May)

I think you don't know Uttar's history all that well, Nelsius. You should look up "Not For Idiots" website. Uttar was *the* man for NV30 speculation pre-release (i.e. before the heartbreak set in). http://www.notforidiots.com/ULE.php

We have pretty much made an agreement between us to split the CC transcripts that way, because it turns out it is quite a lot of work to do justice to all of them for both companies. If you go back further, you'll find more NV transcripts from me in addition to the recent one that I did because Uttar was otherwise occupied that time. I was very happy to have Uttar pitch in as well so we could mostly split that work and provide full coverage without overworking either of us. But if he wasn't there I'd do the NV ones as well, every one I could find.

Understand, when I say Uttar is pro-greenie, I am not criticising him in the least, nor do I think he is at all unreasonable. He leans a bit green. This is not a sin in my eyes, nor should it be in any others. If others perceive me as leaning red (tho I had a 6800GT last gen, and broke the High Road connection in public), then I would hope they'd give me the same consideration.

Certainly.

My main point was that by the standards of Uttar being a "pro-greenie," you would equally be a "pro-redie." Obviously, that's not an issue, though, because as you stated, Uttar is not unreasonable nor biased, which is exactly what one should establish pertaining to you (and for the most part, I do).

Also, I'm not really interested in whatever Uttar's past was (especially if it was only speculation), thus my views on him are strictly related to his involvement with B3D, as is the topic of our discussion.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Shamrock
I said what I said for the past...remember the 68xx series and X8xx series, and Dave was touting the superior AF? He used the "box" method, with a bunch of little boxes scaling into a bigger one? I managed to call him on it, because I had a CRT...I located the INFERIOR AF ATI had. He argued with me until I showed him proof. Luckily I was here in Anand's forums and he couldnt do anything. He made a special trip over here to argue the points. But over on "HIS" forums, he banned over 2 dozen people for proving him wrong on that little debacle.

And Dave being "mildly biased", and "high standards"? That is a bit overboard. More like "heavily biased toward ATI", and "high standards toward red". There, it's fixed.

It's not that I dont like ATI, it's Dave's blinders he has on. I'll admit, ATI has superior performance (marginally in SOME benchies), and that they have superior AF (NOW they do!), but nV has superior AA, and actually works in Linux. My main reason for going green.

If you're going to be a broken record, like Gregy, same ******....different day, I'd ban you also.
Nobody wants to see every thread veered into a back n' forth about the same crap, over and over.

Hey I only said it once... You'd better ban yourself, because you're calling the kettle black. Snap out of your DB hypnotism. Did he wave a an ATI card in your face to hypnotise you into his cult? That was a pitiful attempt at shining DB's armor. :disgust:

Yes. First he hypnotized me and then he "touched" me

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor


He he he, I got Geo to refer to him as "Baumann" I'm deliberately not being respectful to him when I call him "Baumann" and not "Dave" or "Dave Baumann"...

You're not impressing anyone with your "rebel" attitude troll.

I love how you caricaturist yourself as some "troll-police" member trying to do justice for this board, when in actuality, you are probably one of the worst trolls on these forums (aside from Rollo).

You're not fooling anyone, my friend, so please quit with the act.

Thanks

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
No I might not as well have said it! I never meant what I said the way you are trying make it appear!

I expect ATi to act like a reputable company and not a bunch of highschool kids in the playground. Their conduct towards their competitors has been reprehensible since 2002 (and none too good before then). There is no need whatsoever for them to act the way that they do.

Well, I'm late to the party and all, but neither side has been acting like a reputable company; the green side even more so, when they went as far as blatantly cheating their way through 3DMark03, and then after getting caught, went on to denounce 3dmark as an invalid and inaccurate benchmark.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
No I might not as well have said it! I never meant what I said the way you are trying make it appear!

I expect ATi to act like a reputable company and not a bunch of highschool kids in the playground. Their conduct towards their competitors has been reprehensible since 2002 (and none too good before then). There is no need whatsoever for them to act the way that they do.

Well, I'm late to the party and all, but neither side has been acting like a reputable company; the green side even more so, when they went as far as blatantly cheating their way through 3DMark03, and then after getting caught, went on to denounce 3dmark as an invalid and inaccurate benchmark.

To be fair, both teams had their own "cheating methods."

But I agree both can have very low tactics at time. The recent (well, occuring in the last year) slideshows that were distributed via TechPowerUp had shown just how low these two companies could stoop.

But saying one is "clearly dirtier" than the other is quite a biased statement, imho.

 

[kylebisme]

Specifically, how did Nvidia cheat? And how did ATI cheat? And how did each company react to getting caught? If you want to be fair, we should be comparing the details of each situation instead of instead of simply making a general statement implying equivalency.

 

[Gstanfor]

You can go and read my comments about the various cheats/lies in the threads here that discuss them. I'm not about to repeat myself here for your benefit.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Dean
I say congrats to the guy. I have never seen him give an unfair review to an Nvidia or ATI product. The guy would be a treasure for ATI or NVidia and he gets to have a dream job instead of running a fairly small but respected website.

QFT.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

You're not impressing anyone with your "rebel" attitude troll.

I love how you caricaturist yourself as some "troll-police" member trying to do justice for this board, when in actuality, you are probably one of the worst trolls on these forums (aside from Rollo).

You're not fooling anyone, my friend, so please quit with the act.

Thanks

agreed. I thought he had caught up with Rollo already...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You can go and read my comments about the various cheats/lies in the threads here that discuss them. I'm not about to repeat myself here for your benefit.

You can note that my questions are directed at Nelsieus as he is the one who claims he wants to be fair. I know better than to expect fairness from you.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You can go and read my comments about the various cheats/lies in the threads here that discuss them. I'm not about to repeat myself here for your benefit.

Nor will you do it for yours. What did you expect to happen when you call the head of a respectable site biased? The fact is you haven't shown any evidence of the "tactics" he used and refuse to even think about looking for it. (I wonder why) Furthermore, you tell those who are questioning your unmatched perception to go and prove things for you. This is of course all happening after the fact that you have claimed that you were correct in your arguments with him "every single time".

No I might not as well have said it! I never meant what I said the way you are trying make it appear!

I expect ATi to act like a reputable company and not a bunch of highschool kids in the playground. Their conduct towards their competitors has been reprehensible since 2002 (and none too good before then). There is no need whatsoever for them to act the way that they do.

When did you have a bad encounter with someone who was working for ATI? From what I can tell, you are just angry with those who own ATI products and what they have said to you, not the company ATI itself.

 

[geo1]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Certainly.

My main point was that by the standards of Uttar being a "pro-greenie," you would equally be a "pro-redie." Obviously, that's not an issue, though, because as you stated, Uttar is not unreasonable nor biased, which is exactly what one should establish pertaining to you (and for the most part, I do).

Also, I'm not really interested in whatever Uttar's past was (especially if it was only speculation), thus my views on him are strictly related to his involvement with B3D, as is the topic of our discussion.

Well, people are not born, live, and die on B3D, never having left its environs --and that other experience is at least relevant. I talk to Uttar outside B3D practically every day, and I'm relatively certain he would not think it unfair to describe him as leaning green so long as one acknowledged his fairness as well (as of course I do). But I'm going to let this drop, as it probably isn't possible to pursue it too much further without sounding anti-Uttar, which I have no interest in doing (Indeed, I would go so far as to describe him as a friend that I would do personal favors for if asked). The only reason I brought it up in the first place was gstanfor's ridiculous implication that those who have a preference for NV will be hounded out the door at B3D. It just isn't true.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You can go and read my comments about the various cheats/lies in the threads here that discuss them. I'm not about to repeat myself here for your benefit.

Why bring up the topic at all if you aren't going to add anything to it? Your comment brings nothing to the table. You do idicate that there where 'cheats/lies' but don't embelsih on that idea or even provide an explaination of who cheated/lied or what about. The burden of proof lies with you and all you can say is 'well its in here somewhere but you all have to go looking for it' I'am not going to go looking through the bowels of anandtech to find a few posts made by you that probably are of the same sort that you continue to post.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: geo1

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Certainly.

My main point was that by the standards of Uttar being a "pro-greenie," you would equally be a "pro-redie." Obviously, that's not an issue, though, because as you stated, Uttar is not unreasonable nor biased, which is exactly what one should establish pertaining to you (and for the most part, I do).

Also, I'm not really interested in whatever Uttar's past was (especially if it was only speculation), thus my views on him are strictly related to his involvement with B3D, as is the topic of our discussion.

Well, people are not born, live, and die on B3D, never having left its environs --and that other experience is at least relevant. I talk to Uttar outside B3D practically every day, and I'm relatively certain he would not think it unfair to describe him as leaning green so long as one acknowledged his fairness as well (as of course I do). But I'm going to let this drop, as it probably isn't possible to pursue it too much further without sounding anti-Uttar, which I have no interest in doing (Indeed, I would go so far as to describe him as a friend that I would do personal favors for if asked). The only reason I brought it up in the first place was gstanfor's ridiculous implication that those who have a preference for NV will be hounded out the door at B3D. It just isn't true.

Again, reitterating my previous statements, as far as Uttar shifts green, I think you shift red. Neither of you are unreasonable or unfair, and quite frankly, are prominent members of the B3D community. So I too am not trying to go on an "anti-Geo" rant, just balancing the statement of Uttar being "pro-greenie" with the same standards that you're using (which I dub fair).