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[DougK62]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Syringer
Yes, because the death penalty has stopped all murderers from killing people.

<sarcasm>Yes because most murders get the dealth penalty.</sarcasm>

And if you think that a child molestor is the same as a murder, you need your head examined.

Murders are not sane, most child molestors simply have an addiction that I believe that be frightened into submission.

That's funny. I think just the opposite.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: DVK916
I feel sorry for the 19 and 20 year old. Sucks for them.

Why... it's not like they don't have other 18, 19, 20, ... 80 year olds from which to choose. It's not like the opposite sex stops aging at 14 and that's their only selection.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14.

Home schooled?

I thought it was close to 16 where they hit there best time to reproduce (reproductive peak is a misnomer because we hit many of those within the period of puberty and around age 30), although with the higher nutrition count and increased hormones in food I wouldn't doubt it.

The way society is set up though, children (and I mean children) at that age are not mature enough to even think of any type of sexual relationship. To even think it is alright is wrong. If the society was set up so that the teenager was old enough to get married and have kids, and be a productive member of society, then it wouldn't be wrong -- as is the case with other cultures. But in our technological culture, the age limit is very important.

I totally agree. There's a reason why 13 year old kids who have sex with 30 year old adults grow up to be extremely unstable and even suicidal. If all this "they hit their peak at age 4" garbage were true, then they'd be able to handle the consequences of sexual relationships at that age. But the FACT is, THEY CAN'T. Kids who are exposed to that do not grow up as well-functioning adults.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14.

Home schooled?

I thought it was close to 16 where they hit there best time to reproduce (reproductive peak is a misnomer because we hit many of those within the period of puberty and around age 30), although with the higher nutrition count and increased hormones in food I wouldn't doubt it.

The way society is set up though, children (and I mean children) at that age are not mature enough to even think of any type of sexual relationship. To even think it is alright is wrong. If the society was set up so that the teenager was old enough to get married and have kids, and be a productive member of society, then it wouldn't be wrong -- as is the case with other cultures. But in our technological culture, the age limit is very important.

I totally agree. There's a reason why 13 year old kids who have sex with 30 year old adults grow up to be extremely unstable and even suicidal. If all this "they hit their peak at age 4" garbage were true, then they'd be able to handle the consequences of sexual relationships at that age. But the FACT is, THEY CAN'T. Kids who are exposed to that do not grow up as well-functioning adults.

Inherently though, most men have varying degrees of attraction to girls who have reached that age of procreation. Because without a progressive society, this age would be preferable for the well-being of a newborn. The DNA has not aged or become worn down at that time. But because we are in a progressive society striving to become more technological. Food, Shelter, and Procreation are not the only things to be a productive member of society. Because of this natural attraction, some people warp their view to believe that it is alright in modern society, but it isn't because now, a person is not truly independant and functional till later on in life, because of the growing demands to be a productive member of society.

To force someone into a situation that throws this boundary off, or at least extremely hinders their ability, to develop the other functions needed in society now is wrong because it stops the person from being all they could be in society.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I'm glad the cops are actually in on this one this time.

BTW, for the folks that don't know, this time they're in Riverside county, CA.

riverside ftw. lol

I live in Riverside, now Riverside county is one of the biggest in the US, but hearing this Dateline was in my hood really upset me. But to counter, Riverside County is also top 3 in the US when it comes to meth labs and Speed Freaks.

Between the gangs, the horrible smog, the tweekers, and now the Pedi's, damn we have it all! And the average home is $400,000 and steadly rising 🙂

 

[DougK62]

I guess this is one of those subjects that can't be talked about rationally.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Cruisin1
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/06013jv2.htm

Thats all of them perverted sick bastards from the show that got arrested. #5 I used to be friends with when I was a kid... creepy. All 50 of these guys deserved to be castrated.

Good link. Some of those guys (#30 , lol) are down right scary looking.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Cruisin1
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/06013jv2.htm

Thats all of them perverted sick bastards from the show that got arrested. #5 I used to be friends with when I was a kid... creepy. All 50 of these guys deserved to be castrated.

Good link. Some of those guys (#30 , lol) are down right scary looking.

It's sad how young some of them are - they could probably get some hot legal women!

 

[DaShen]

I don't neccessarily think that all child molesters should be shot. Some can really be changed, and can do more for society as in prevention of others following that same route than just being killed. Many are people who just have a misbalance in there mental and emotional capacities. Many don't really understand or believe that there is anything wrong with it. Some just need to be corrected in their understanding in a very logical, counseling manner. Of course, there are some that enjoy it and know it is wrong, but do it because they enjoy hurting others, but that is common with any rapist or killer, and others that are too stubborn to try to change. These latter people are sometimes beyond help, and should be locked up and slowly rehabilitated, but others just need counseling. Some were victimized themselves and are reliving the victimization from the others perspective. There are too many factors to just simplify such a complex problem/ Some of you should watch a movie called "The Woodsman", it is a good movie that discusses these issues.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Damn, I missed it. Anyone know where I can download it?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14.

Home schooled?

I thought it was close to 16 where they hit there best time to reproduce (reproductive peak is a misnomer because we hit many of those within the period of puberty and around age 30), although with the higher nutrition count and increased hormones in food I wouldn't doubt it.

The way society is set up though, children (and I mean children) at that age are not mature enough to even think of any type of sexual relationship. To even think it is alright is wrong. If the society was set up so that the teenager was old enough to get married and have kids, and be a productive member of society, then it wouldn't be wrong -- as is the case with other cultures. But in our technological culture, the age limit is very important.

OK, so it WAS ok then 100 years ago, but it's NOT ok now? Interesting. I'd love to hear THAT argument...and this is an interesting thought as well

If the society was set up so that the teenager was old enough to get married and have kids, and be a productive member of society, then it wouldn't be wrong -- as is the case with other cultures.

...which means you support what I previously said...that our "disgust" with 15 year olds having sex with adults is purely cultural, not necessarily a question of right and wrong...because the USA is certainly in the minority as far as what ages is OK.

And another point no one has brought up...we seem to be all bent out of shape about teens having sex with adults, but why does no one seem to care of they have sex with each other? On one hand they are mature enough to make a decision to have sex with a peer, but if it's with an adult, somehow they are being abused? Gimme a break.

Yeah, I may feel differently if I had a teen. But I dont. I can empathize not wanting your little baby girl to risk pregnancy and disease at such a young age, but I'm sure you wouldnt want her having sex in college either. You will always worry about her.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: DVK916
The problem I have with PJ is they classify 20 year olds who want to some love from a 14 year olds the same as 50 year olds who want sex from 10 year old. I don't see the big deal with a 20 year old guy and a 14 year old girl.

You have got to be kidding.

No, I think the law should be 8 years younger and atleast 14 years old. As long as they are atleast 14 and no more than 8 years younger than you then it should be legal. Just my opinion.

You're one sick bastard.

And obviously you have no children of your own.

I have a daughter, and I'm close to the same ideas as he is. Government has no right to police our private lives...period. The only sexual act that should be a crime is rape (ie sexual contact without consent). I'll go so far as to agree that no one under their teens should be having such contact with anyone over their teens (only because they aren't developmentally mature enough yet to make valid decisions about such things), but that's about all I'm willing to concede. Might also make a case for exposing minors to sexual material (or just exposing yourself), but that's also limited.

Under current law my daughter could have to live her life as a registered sex offender because when she was 9 she showed her parts to the neighbor boy who did the same. It's called playing doctor and most kids do it and have for the entire history of mankind. Similarly if two 13yr olds are dating and doing heavy petting, they're both sex offenders in some states. And if one should flash some bare skin over a webcam to the other then they're both definitely sex offenders in nearly every state. Mind you, the American judicial system is so useless that generally it's the boy who pays the entire price, but still.

Nope, our laws are wrong.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: DVK916
The problem I have with PJ is they classify 20 year olds who want to some love from a 14 year olds the same as 50 year olds who want sex from 10 year old. I don't see the big deal with a 20 year old guy and a 14 year old girl.

You have got to be kidding.

No, I think the law should be 8 years younger and atleast 14 years old. As long as they are atleast 14 and no more than 8 years younger than you then it should be legal. Just my opinion.

You're one sick bastard.

And obviously you have no children of your own.

I have a daughter, and I'm close to the same ideas as he is. Government has no right to police our private lives...period. The only sexual act that should be a crime is rape (ie sexual contact without consent). I'll go so far as to agree that no one under their teens should be having such contact with anyone over their teens, but that's about all I'm willing to concede. Might also make a case for exposing minors to sexual material (or just exposing yourself), but that's also limited.

Under current law my daughter could have to live her life as a registered sex offender because when she was 9 she showed her parts to the neighbor boy who did the same. It's called playing doctor and most kids do it and have for the entire history of mankind. Similarly if two 13yr olds are dating and doing heavy petting, they're both sex offenders in some states. And if one should flash some bare skin over a webcam to the other then they're both definitely sex offenders in nearly every state. Mind you, the American judicial system is so useless that generally it's the boy who pays the entire price, but still.

Nope, our laws are wrong.

QFT.

How about the law that a 16 year old can have sex with a 20 year old, but if he's 21 (over the 4 year age difference) somehow its abuse? Paleeze. We seem to not acknowlege the fact that *some* teens might actually find a 25 or 30 year old attractive...and if that happens somehow the older person is a predator? Gimme a break.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: ricochet
It should only be reserved for the most extreme criminal cases, ie murder. All others should be put to hard labor that could benefit society so our tax money won't go to waste.

So raping a small child isn't "extreme"? What are you smoking?

I don't consider early teens to be small children. But each case should be handled on a case by case basis. That's why we have a court system.

Unlike you I'm not too quick to have someone killed. It's not me that's smoking.

To each molester his own I guess.

You know what prick, you're a real ignorant fvcking egocentric asshole. Just thought I'd pass that along. Different cultures are raised with different values and ideas, and yours is NOT UNIVERSALLY RIGHT, no matter what that SOB in the oval tells you.

Seriously, disagreeing on something does NOT give you the right to call someone a child molester. That is absolutely ALWAYS 100% uncalled for unless you are holding a damn court report that proves it beyond doubt.

BTW, I realize many will see this post as over the top, and push for my 'vacation', I don't care. What you said was wrong, and in my opinion criminal libel. NO ONE calls someone else a child molester around me unless they can absolutely prove it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: ricochet
It should only be reserved for the most extreme criminal cases, ie murder. All others should be put to hard labor that could benefit society so our tax money won't go to waste.

So raping a small child isn't "extreme"? What are you smoking?

I don't consider early teens to be small children. But each case should be handled on a case by case basis. That's why we have a court system.

Unlike you I'm not too quick to have someone killed. It's not me that's smoking.

To each molester his own I guess.

Just because other people don't have a black and white world view you imply they are molesters. Good one.

If you watched the show you'd realize there is a doctor that appeared on there making a statement about child molester being truly sick. It's not that some of these people want to do wrong but that they are truly pathologically sick. His views are unpopular so of course it has no credibility. No one is saying that they should get off lightly of their crime. In fact, I believe registered offenders are given way too much freedom and leniency.

What bothers me about you people is that when you hear a story about some 20+ y/o female teacher boning a 13y/o male student most of you are on the cheering bandwagon.

A lot of you base your moral indignation on your gut feeling (or personal feeling) rather than objectivity.

So what you're saying is that you're emotionally and pathologically sick? I also bet you're hoping you never get caught as well? :roll:

Base on your last statement I'm saying you can't read and way too immature to discuss this topic.

So why are you defending child molesters again?

I'm against resorting to Capitol Punishment as an immediate response. If that equates to defending child molesters you have some serious issues.

So you're saying that molesting children is not an extreme criminal case? I just want to make sure I understand you on this matter. I'm sure you're not a parent as well right?

If you believe it to not be extreme, what is the punishment (if any) you believe child molesters should serve?

Three scenarios for you to ponder:

1. 24 y/o man has consensual sex with 15 y/o female.

2. 50 y/o man with repeated molestation history forcefully rape an 8 y/o girl.

3. 13 y/o female with fake ID enters the porn business and regularly has sex with 30+ y/o men and later her age is revealed.

All three are criminal activities. Do all the men deserve death sentences? Zero tolerence laws rarely ever work. I prefer to have a courtroom judge and a panel of juries decide on a case by case basis than follow some joe schmoe concept of zero tolerance laws.

For me #2 would be serious enough for death row consideration. But I would listen to all the evidence if I was part of a jury and take into acount all the opinions of all the other jury members before passing judgement. Since you missed my statement about registered offenders you seem to think I don't want to punish these guys?

:thumbsup:

A near perfect observation.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: LukFilm

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: LukFilm
He is not sick, this is very normal in Europe (speaking for Czech Republic).

Just because it's normal, that doesn't make it right.

Slavery in America was once normal, did that make it right?

Different country, different rules. Normal in Europe, abnormal in the USA (like many things). My father being 6 years older than my Mom might have something to do with it as well.

Not to mention the fact that biologically, humans have been coded for thousands of years to copulate/bear children younger than 16.

The advancement of medicine in the 19th/20th centuries extended life spans by quite a bit, thus making it culturally disapproved to copulate/bear children that young, even though we are still coded for it.

I'm not condoning what these sex offenders are doing. The law is the law. But biology is a b1tch to fight. Especially when you have young teens wearing booty shorts and eye shadow.

Somehow I am not surprised to see you make apologies for sex offenders.

None of the guys nabbed on the dateline show were exposed to "booty shorts and eye shadow" while they were being predators on the internet. They clearly knew they were persuing victims who were under the legal age limit.

Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who tries to defend child molestation on any level is a scumbag. jpeyton, I mean you.

Are you sofa king we todd ed? I already said "I don't condone what these sex offenders are doing"...ie, that means I think they should be thrown in jail. But someone brought up the argument about European (and other foreign) customs regarding teenage girls, and myself having traveled abroad and experienced culture beyond Nascar and Monday Night Football (not sure if you can say the same), am simply providing the point of view of why it is okay in other cultures around the world and not ours.

Does that mean its okay for a 65 year old man to proposition a 13 year old boy? Hell no, not in any culture.

But does it mean that other countries around the world approve of 18-20-ish guys dating 16-ish girls (even though that would be illegal in the US)...yes it does.

Take comments into context before you call me out next time, so you don't get embarrassed.

:thumbsup:

Again, excellent post. Unlike you I don't have the patience to put up with such abysmal egocentrism, so I just lash out. But I want you to know that you're supported by others in your reasonable argument.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DVK916
The problem I have with PJ is they classify 20 year olds who want to some love from a 14 year olds the same as 50 year olds who want sex from 10 year old. I don't see the big deal with a 20 year old guy and a 14 year old girl.

Well IF you ever become the father of a 14 year old girl, you will most definitely change your mind on that. If you don't, you're not fit to be a parent.

Take your narrow-minded opinion and shove it up your ignorant ass. You don't get to make judgements about qualifications to take a dump, never mind raise a child.

 

[imported_sling]

I agree that there is a problem when we are offended by a male adult being sexually involved with a 15 year old consenting female, but we aren't nearly as concerned about a 15 year old sleeping with another 15 year old. An even greater example of this hipocracy is when the tables are turned and the male is the 15 year old and the female is 30.

Just look at these "teacher has sex with student" cases recently. If that's a male teacher and the student is female, that's no contest, maximum punishment, no questions asked, and the media and society is OK with that. If it's a female teacher and a male student, you've got the bible thumpers wanting the max punishment and a great deal of the population giving the student a pat on the back, "Way to go son!" It's appaling. Look that the uproar over Janet's boob on tv. That caused such a stir as to change the FCC penalties for this happening. Why? It was a boob. She didn't get up there bang Justin Timberlake doggie style. It was a boob. I'm conservative but the religous right sickens me.

We have this taboo on sex prior to our "age of consent" that we throw people in prison and make them register as a sex offender if they violate that age by even 1 year. Is a 22 year old that has sex with a consenting 16 year old a criminal? I don't think so. As fathers you try to keep every man out of your daughter's pants until you can't control the situation any longer. That's what fathers do. If it doesn't work and their daughter manages to have sexual encounters with a male over 18 it gives the father a way to retaliate for his feeling of violation, regardless of his daughters feelings in the matter. Nothing more. We aren't getting bad guys off the street, we're punishing a guy for boning someones daughter. Does that really make sense or is it just me?

Yes, if you go online, to a chat room as a female with a reasonably hot picture you will get odd ball comments. There are people that like that kinda thing. But considering that they take a girl saying she's 14 and willing to have sex and present that to some pervert that's been locked in his closet for a week, what outcome do you expect? Maybe teaching your daughter that it isn't a good idea to invite strange dudes over is a little better way to manage this issue than busting a horny guy that thinks a girl is offering sex. Really it's nearly entrapment, depending on how the conversations online between the two go.

I just think playing on someone's sexual desires is the wrong way to incriminate them. If they TAKE sex it's different. They didn't TAKE sex, they were OFFERED sex, and they said yes. Not a criminal, just a guy that thinks this is his lucky day. Now, if they girl said she was 10, we might have a different issue, but I think you are in a position and capacity at 14-16 to make a congnative decision. Remeber, we frequently prosecute teens as adults in criminal court because they were old enough to know it was wrong. Same thing, but our taboo in regards to sex blurrs the line.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: sling
I agree that there is a problem when we are offended by a male adult being sexually involved with a 15 year old consenting female, but we aren't nearly as concerned about a 15 year old sleeping with another 15 year old. An even greater example of this hipocracy is when the tables are turned and the male is the 15 year old and the female is 30.

Just look at these "teacher has sex with student" cases recently. If that's a male teacher and the student is female, that's no contest, maximum punishment, no questions asked, and the media and society is OK with that. If it's a female teacher and a male student, you've got the bible thumpers wanting the max punishment and a great deal of the population giving the student a pat on the back, "Way to go son!" It's appaling. Look that the uproar over Janet's boob on tv. That caused such a stir as to change the FCC penalties for this happening. Why? It was a boob. She didn't get up there bang Justin Timberlake doggie style. It was a boob. I'm conservative but the religous right sickens me.

We have this taboo on sex prior to our "age of consent" that we throw people in prison and make them register as a sex offender if they violate that age by even 1 year. Is a 22 year old that has sex with a consenting 16 year old a criminal? I don't think so. As fathers you try to keep every man out of your daughter's pants until you can't control the situation any longer. That's what fathers do. If it doesn't work and their daughter manages to have sexual encounters with a male over 18 it gives the father a way to retaliate for his feeling of violation, regardless of his daughters feelings in the matter. Nothing more. We aren't getting bad guys off the street, we're punishing a guy for boning someones daughter. Does that really make sense or is it just me?

Yes, if you go online, to a chat room as a female with a reasonably hot picture you will get odd ball comments. There are people that like that kinda thing. But considering that they take a girl saying she's 14 and willing to have sex and present that to some pervert that's been locked in his closet for a week, what outcome do you expect? Maybe teaching your daughter that it isn't a good idea to invite strange dudes over is a little better way to manage this issue than busting a horny guy that thinks a girl is offering sex. Really it's nearly entrapment, depending on how the conversations online between the two go.

I just think playing on someone's sexual desires is the wrong way to incriminate them. If they TAKE sex it's different. They didn't TAKE sex, they were OFFERED sex, and they said yes. Not a criminal, just a guy that thinks this is his lucky day. Now, if they girl said she was 10, we might have a different issue, but I think you are in a position and capacity at 14-16 to make a congnative decision. Remeber, we frequently prosecute teens as adults in criminal court because they were old enough to know it was wrong. Same thing, but our taboo in regards to sex blurrs the line.

These men were not offered sex, they asked for sex.

 

[imported_sling]

And what did the girl say? She knew what sex was. Arrest her for tooling guys like that. tease.

 

[blackangst1]

These men were not offered sex, they asked for sex.

ASKED is the key word here. They didnt stalk her then sneak in her room and force themselves. Jesus...get some perspective.