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[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: LukFilm

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: LukFilm
He is not sick, this is very normal in Europe (speaking for Czech Republic).

Just because it's normal, that doesn't make it right.

Slavery in America was once normal, did that make it right?

Different country, different rules. Normal in Europe, abnormal in the USA (like many things). My father being 6 years older than my Mom might have something to do with it as well.

Not to mention the fact that biologically, humans have been coded for thousands of years to copulate/bear children younger than 16.

The advancement of medicine in the 19th/20th centuries extended life spans by quite a bit, thus making it culturally disapproved to copulate/bear children that young, even though we are still coded for it.

I'm not condoning what these sex offenders are doing. The law is the law. But biology is a b1tch to fight. Especially when you have young teens wearing booty shorts and eye shadow.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: LukFilm

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: LukFilm
He is not sick, this is very normal in Europe (speaking for Czech Republic).

Just because it's normal, that doesn't make it right.

Slavery in America was once normal, did that make it right?

Different country, different rules. Normal in Europe, abnormal in the USA (like many things). My father being 6 years older than my Mom might have something to do with it as well.

Not to mention the fact that biologically, humans have been coded for thousands of years to copulate/bear children younger than 16.

The advancement of medicine in the 19th/20th centuries extended life spans by quite a bit, thus making it culturally disapproved to copulate/bear children that young, even though we are still coded for it.

I'm not condoning what these sex offenders are doing. The law is the law. But biology is a b1tch to fight. Especially when you have young teens wearing booty shorts and eye shadow.

Somehow I am not surprised to see you make apologies for sex offenders.

None of the guys nabbed on the dateline show were exposed to "booty shorts and eye shadow" while they were being predators on the internet. They clearly knew they were persuing victims who were under the legal age limit.

Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who tries to defend child molestation on any level is a scumbag. jpeyton, I mean you.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: LukFilm

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: LukFilm
He is not sick, this is very normal in Europe (speaking for Czech Republic).

Just because it's normal, that doesn't make it right.

Slavery in America was once normal, did that make it right?

Different country, different rules. Normal in Europe, abnormal in the USA (like many things). My father being 6 years older than my Mom might have something to do with it as well.

Not to mention the fact that biologically, humans have been coded for thousands of years to copulate/bear children younger than 16.

The advancement of medicine in the 19th/20th centuries extended life spans by quite a bit, thus making it culturally disapproved to copulate/bear children that young, even though we are still coded for it.

I'm not condoning what these sex offenders are doing. The law is the law. But biology is a b1tch to fight. Especially when you have young teens wearing booty shorts and eye shadow.

Somehow I am not surprised to see you make apologies for sex offenders.

None of the guys nabbed on the dateline show were exposed to "booty shorts and eye shadow" while they were being predators on the internet. They clearly knew they were persuing victims who were under the legal age limit.

Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who tries to defend child molestation on any level is a scumbag. jpeyton, I mean you.

Are you sofa king we todd ed? I already said "I don't condone what these sex offenders are doing"...ie, that means I think they should be thrown in jail. But someone brought up the argument about European (and other foreign) customs regarding teenage girls, and myself having traveled abroad and experienced culture beyond Nascar and Monday Night Football (not sure if you can say the same), am simply providing the point of view of why it is okay in other cultures around the world and not ours.

Does that mean its okay for a 65 year old man to proposition a 13 year old boy? Hell no, not in any culture.

But does it mean that other countries around the world approve of 18-20-ish guys dating 16-ish girls (even though that would be illegal in the US)...yes it does.

Take comments into context before you call me out next time, so you don't get embarrassed.

 

[OdiN]

I think that so much can vary from person to person.

Some 15/16 year olds could very well be mature enough for a sexual relationship. Others are not.

Hell...some 20-somethings are not mature enough for a sexual relationship.

The whole 18-year is just a guideline that the US has settled on. If 16 is okay in other countries...I don't see a terrible problem with that. Often the 16 year olds over there are more mature than the ones in the US.

The law is the law, so it must be followed. Even if you think 16 is okay...you still will be breaking the law. However. A 20 year old having sex with a 16 year old doesn't repulse me or make me think that the 20 year old is a pedophile. But the law is still being broken.

Ignoring laws and just taking into account simple human relationships, it's not black and white.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: LukFilm

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: LukFilm
He is not sick, this is very normal in Europe (speaking for Czech Republic).

Just because it's normal, that doesn't make it right.

Slavery in America was once normal, did that make it right?

Different country, different rules. Normal in Europe, abnormal in the USA (like many things). My father being 6 years older than my Mom might have something to do with it as well.

Not to mention the fact that biologically, humans have been coded for thousands of years to copulate/bear children younger than 16.

The advancement of medicine in the 19th/20th centuries extended life spans by quite a bit, thus making it culturally disapproved to copulate/bear children that young, even though we are still coded for it.

I'm not condoning what these sex offenders are doing. The law is the law. But biology is a b1tch to fight. Especially when you have young teens wearing booty shorts and eye shadow.

Somehow I am not surprised to see you make apologies for sex offenders.

None of the guys nabbed on the dateline show were exposed to "booty shorts and eye shadow" while they were being predators on the internet. They clearly knew they were persuing victims who were under the legal age limit.

Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who tries to defend child molestation on any level is a scumbag. jpeyton, I mean you.

Are you sofa king we todd ed? I already said "I don't condone what these sex offenders are doing"...ie, that means I think they should be thrown in jail. But someone brought up the argument about European (and other foreign) customs regarding teenage girls, and myself having traveled abroad and experienced culture beyond Nascar and Monday Night Football (not sure if you can say the same), am simply providing the point of view of why it is okay in other cultures around the world and not ours.

Does that mean its okay for a 65 year old man to proposition a 13 year old boy? Hell no, not in any culture.

But does it mean that other countries around the world approve of 18-20-ish guys dating 16-ish girls (even though that would be illegal in the US)...yes it does.

Take comments into context before you call me out next time, so you don't get embarrassed.

Why would I be embarassed?

I'm not the one defending child molestation by saying that eye shadow and provocative clothing on children justifies illegal behavior.

You defended something that is indefensable and now you want to try and back out of it by saying I took something out of context? :laugh: Would "eye shadow and booty shorts" on a 5 year old also justify child molestation? :roll:

You are sick.

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Sundog
Exactly...although we were just following England's lead.😉

No actually we were just responding to an invite. Most slaves were bought from African kings who enslaved their own people in order to sell the to Europeans and Americans.

May be so, but the point is it was being done for profit. Both in initial selling and again in labor.

 

[tcsenter]

These guys disgust me. That one moron who drove by while the cops were there and called the girl, who told him they were there for her neighbors, he's just too stupid to live. I mean come on, is he really that stupid?

Many of these guys have sexual compulsions that cause them to disregard all reason and are willing to take big risks in order to get their 'fix', no different than a meth or crack addict. These are the ones who are beyond any reasonable likelihood of rehabilitation and should be executed. We can't imprison them for life because we would need to triple our current number of prisons then let out all the murderers and other serious violent offenders just to make room for them all.

But if a candidate if your state ran for office promising a mandatory death penalty for sex offenders, would you vote for him?

The problem is that "sex offender" can include the college kid who exposed himself publicly in an innocent streaking prank, the 18 year-old high school senior in a consentual relationship with his 15 year-old high school sweetheart, "Johns" who get caught trying to pay for a little action with adult women (prostitution), as well as the father who accepts a plea bargain in order to avoid a long prison sentence after his estranged wife makes [false] allegations of child molestation against him during a nasty divorce proceeding (very common these days). Even child welfare advocacy groups, social workers and law enforcement agree that roughly 50% of all child abuse allegations are unsubstantiated or false.

But if we are talking bona fide sexual predators with a compulsive behavioral or personality disorder (e.g. sexual sociopathy or psychopathy) - execute em.

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: ricochet

Three scenarios for you to ponder:

1. 24 y/o man has consensual sex with 15 y/o female.

2. 50 y/o man with repeated molestation history forcefully rape an 8 y/o girl.

3. 13 y/o female with fake ID enters the porn business and regularly has sex with 30+ y/o men and later her age is revealed.

All three are criminal activities. Do all the men deserve death sentences? Zero tolerence laws rarely ever work. I prefer to have a courtroom judge and a panel of juries decide on a case by case basis than follow some joe schmoe concept of zero tolerance laws.

For me #2 would be serious enough for death row consideration. But I would listen to all the evidence if I was part of a jury and take into acount all the opinions of all the other jury members before passing judgement. Since you missed my statement about registered offenders you seem to think I don't want to punish these guys?

While forcible rape as you outline in your #2 scenario is indeed a horrendous crime, so are scenarios #1 and #3. A girl that age does not have the legal ability to consent to sex - and there's a reason for that. Because they're a minor!!!! A minor has no legal ability to make decisions in his/her life at that age unless provided so by a judge.

If you still want to make the argument that it's OK that a male (conservatively aged 16-500 years old) has the legal right to have sex with a female age 12 or 13 years old, then you really do have issues. I feel sorry for you and for any children (and grandchildren) you may have in the future.

Never in my argument did I say it was OK to have sex with a minor. WTH is wrong with you? Can't you read? Are you so blind?

 

[meltdown75]

i watched quite a bit of this last night. it was very interesting to say the least. i cannot BELIEVE they got FIFTY-ONE guys in that amount of time!

HOLY SH!T

there's a lot of idiots out there. WOW :shocked:

I was watching it with my Dad... he's pretty old school and harsh but I had to agree with him when he said, "These boys need to be taken out into the woods and strung up by their nuts."

Sometimes, Dads are pretty wise and you just have to agree with them.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: ricochet

Three scenarios for you to ponder:

1. 24 y/o man has consensual sex with 15 y/o female.

2. 50 y/o man with repeated molestation history forcefully rape an 8 y/o girl.

3. 13 y/o female with fake ID enters the porn business and regularly has sex with 30+ y/o men and later her age is revealed.

All three are criminal activities. Do all the men deserve death sentences? Zero tolerence laws rarely ever work. I prefer to have a courtroom judge and a panel of juries decide on a case by case basis than follow some joe schmoe concept of zero tolerance laws.

For me #2 would be serious enough for death row consideration. But I would listen to all the evidence if I was part of a jury and take into acount all the opinions of all the other jury members before passing judgement. Since you missed my statement about registered offenders you seem to think I don't want to punish these guys?

While forcible rape as you outline in your #2 scenario is indeed a horrendous crime, so are scenarios #1 and #3. A girl that age does not have the legal ability to consent to sex - and there's a reason for that. Because they're a minor!!!! A minor has no legal ability to make decisions in his/her life at that age unless provided so by a judge.

If you still want to make the argument that it's OK that a male (conservatively aged 16-500 years old) has the legal right to have sex with a female age 12 or 13 years old, then you really do have issues. I feel sorry for you and for any children (and grandchildren) you may have in the future.

Never in my argument did I say it was OK to have sex with a minor. WTH is wrong with you? Can't you read? Are you so blind?

Seriously, did you read his post? Some of you get blindingly stupid with things that touch a nerve like this. Face it, the world is FULL of people like this, and 20 years from now much of today's youths will be tomorrows sexual predators, you can't just make a blanket rule for anyone who touches a minor, as disgusting and immoral it may be you're an absolute moron if you think you can circumvent the court system like that.

 

[Accipiter22]

we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14. We live in a Puritan country. Having said that, the motives of these guys are obviously bad, but I'd listen to cases where an older guy or girl did actually care for someone in their teens

 

[uhohs]

i care for people in their teens. :Q

/me hides

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14. We live in a Puritan country. Having said that, the motives of these guys are obviously bad, but I'd listen to cases where an older guy or girl did actually care for someone in their teens

umm no? we reach our sexual peak at 18for men and 22 for women.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14. We live in a Puritan country. Having said that, the motives of these guys are obviously bad, but I'd listen to cases where an older guy or girl did actually care for someone in their teens

While many may be sexually mature at 14 (which I think is what you were trying to say), society has dictated that adults shouldn't be sleeping with children.

While it may be completely natural to be attracted to someone who is fully sexually mature (I don't consider this pedophilia, BTW) acting on it is illegal and generally frowned on by the VAST majority of the population.

There have been cases where someone who was convicted of molestation or rape was later involved in an apparently good relationship with that person. They are few and far between, and far from showing up in the middle of the night with Smirnoff and condoms.

Viper GTS

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: LukFilm

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: LukFilm
He is not sick, this is very normal in Europe (speaking for Czech Republic).

Just because it's normal, that doesn't make it right.

Slavery in America was once normal, did that make it right?

Different country, different rules. Normal in Europe, abnormal in the USA (like many things). My father being 6 years older than my Mom might have something to do with it as well.

Not to mention the fact that biologically, humans have been coded for thousands of years to copulate/bear children younger than 16.

The advancement of medicine in the 19th/20th centuries extended life spans by quite a bit, thus making it culturally disapproved to copulate/bear children that young, even though we are still coded for it.

I'm not condoning what these sex offenders are doing. The law is the law. But biology is a b1tch to fight. Especially when you have young teens wearing booty shorts and eye shadow.

Somehow I am not surprised to see you make apologies for sex offenders.

None of the guys nabbed on the dateline show were exposed to "booty shorts and eye shadow" while they were being predators on the internet. They clearly knew they were persuing victims who were under the legal age limit.

Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who tries to defend child molestation on any level is a scumbag. jpeyton, I mean you.

Are you sofa king we todd ed? I already said "I don't condone what these sex offenders are doing"...ie, that means I think they should be thrown in jail. But someone brought up the argument about European (and other foreign) customs regarding teenage girls, and myself having traveled abroad and experienced culture beyond Nascar and Monday Night Football (not sure if you can say the same), am simply providing the point of view of why it is okay in other cultures around the world and not ours.

Does that mean its okay for a 65 year old man to proposition a 13 year old boy? Hell no, not in any culture.

But does it mean that other countries around the world approve of 18-20-ish guys dating 16-ish girls (even though that would be illegal in the US)...yes it does.

Take comments into context before you call me out next time, so you don't get embarrassed.

Why would I be embarassed?

I'm not the one defending child molestation by saying that eye shadow and provocative clothing on children justifies illegal behavior.

You defended something that is indefensable and now you want to try and back out of it by saying I took something out of context? :laugh: Would "eye shadow and booty shorts" on a 5 year old also justify child molestation? :roll:

You are sick.

Again, since you seem to be the only person on this forum who can't read, I'm was pointing out reasons why these sickos exist, not defending their actions. Please point to one instance where I said otherwise. 😀

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14. We live in a Puritan country. Having said that, the motives of these guys are obviously bad, but I'd listen to cases where an older guy or girl did actually care for someone in their teens

Different communities/countries define adulthood at different ages. Generally it's around 16-18. I believe 18 years of age is a good cutoff. It's true that people mature at a different age, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. An adult should not have sexual relations with a child, period. It is both morally and legally wrong.

All those guys on Dateline are sexual predators. Their intent is obviously clear. Transcripts were recorded of explicit chat logs with someone they thought were well under the legal age limit (12-13). They showed up to the house with condoms and alcohol. No doubt they are pedophiles who deserve severe punishment under the law. I would agree with anyone that authorities have not done enough to keep away repeat offenders from the general public.

The other class of offenders are a little harder to convict. As you know in a typical HS it is not completely uncommon for a Senior to date a Freshman. In some of these cases sexual relations do occur between an 18 y/o and a 14 y/o. In the past we don't crack down on these cases, but nowadays they could be reported to officials and face legal troubles. Are these guys in the same league as those mentioned above?

 

[0roo0roo]

well a 14-15 yr old can be prosecuted as an adult for murder. why? they aren't dumb as u think. not to condone sex with teens but its not the same as a real paedo that goes after the truely underaged.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well a 14-15 yr old can be prosecuted as an adult for murder. why? they aren't dumb as u think. not to condone sex with teens but its not the same as a real paedo that goes after the truely underaged.

I completely agree. I dont understand how anyone can say consentual sex between a 14 or 15 year old and an adult is the same as that same adult going after an 8 year old. There is a huge difference between a child and a pubescent teen. Huge. Just because the USA is the most uptight country in regards to sexuality doesnt make our laws right either. I'm not defending molestation per se, as I was molested myself at a young age; however, I also had a consentual sexual relationship at the age of 17 with a 30 year old woman. So I can speak with some experience.

I dont understand why we seem to think that if a 15 year old slaughters his/her family they should get adult treatment because afterall-they made adult choices therefore should suffer adult consequences. But God forbid a 15 or 16 year old boy or girl CHOOSES to have a sexual relationship with an adult!

Such hypocrisy.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: DVK916
The problem I have with PJ is they classify 20 year olds who want to some love from a 14 year olds the same as 50 year olds who want sex from 10 year old. I don't see the big deal with a 20 year old guy and a 14 year old girl.

Well IF you ever become the father of a 14 year old girl, you will most definitely change your mind on that. If you don't, you're not fit to be a parent.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Syringer
Yes, because the death penalty has stopped all murderers from killing people.

<sarcasm>Yes because most murders get the dealth penalty.</sarcasm>

And if you think that a child molestor is the same as a murder, you need your head examined.

Murders are not sane, most child molestors simply have an addiction that I believe that be frightened into submission.

oops... nevermind... misread the post 😉

 

[Stuxnet]

I really couldn't believe the twat that still entered the house while another guy was getting arrested right outside. What a total dumb fscking idiot. Words can't begin to describe how stupid that guy is.

The best parts of the show were right when Hanson entered the room to confront these sickos. The looks on their faces were just precious.

It wasn't "oh crap is this guy a reporter?"
It wasn't "oh crap is this guy a cop?"
It was "oh fscking hell is this the father I'm so going to die"

Truth be told, I honestly believe many of those guys have a mental illness. For all I know, it's an illness so severe that they can't control themselves. But guess what, folks, I don't ggive a sh*t. I don't care if it's their fault or not. My job, as a father, isn't to make sure they get fair treatment for their condition and to make sure they're not oppressed. It isn't to do everything I can to help rehabilitate them.

My job, as a father, is to keep them the fsck away from my kids at whatever the cost.

 

[DaShen]

Are you scared they will find you out OP?... j/k j/k

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14.

Home schooled?

 

[DVK916]

I feel sorry for the 19 and 20 year old. Sucks for them.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
we reach our sexual reproductive peak at 14.

Home schooled?

I thought it was close to 16 where they hit there best time to reproduce (reproductive peak is a misnomer because we hit many of those within the period of puberty and around age 30), although with the higher nutrition count and increased hormones in food I wouldn't doubt it.

The way society is set up though, children (and I mean children) at that age are not mature enough to even think of any type of sexual relationship. To even think it is alright is wrong. If the society was set up so that the teenager was old enough to get married and have kids, and be a productive member of society, then it wouldn't be wrong -- as is the case with other cultures. But in our technological culture, the age limit is very important.