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what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
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oh shutup, stop equating accidental civilian deaths to intentional murder. intent makes all the difference. else the difference between the accidental death of a person on a surgical table becomes equivalent to the worst murder with such nonsense. all things become unjudgable in your distorted world of moral equivalence. nothing, absolutely nothing justifies their actions. its disgusting that you even try.
 
you'd be singing a different tune if your family had bombs and mortars accidentally dropped in there home.

surgery is not a weapon to kill, its purpose is to heal. Bombs and mortars are meant to kill....that is intent....and i thnk you can agree that dropping bombs and surgery are not on the same playing field...
 
I'm not going to argue the point of the war. Pretty much anyone with some common sense (except idiot Bush fanbois) will realize the war was a bogus and shoddy idea from the start.
 
Originally posted by: IHYLN
I'm not going to argue the point of the war. Pretty much anyone with some common sense (except idiot Bush fanbois) will realize the war was a bogus and shoddy idea from the start.
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sweet! we agree on something:beer::thumbsup:
 
what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
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oh please, you know that the only solution to this problem is to wipe them out.

totally and completely wipe them out. Anhilation. That is the only solution.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
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oh please, you know that the only solution to this problem is to wipe them out.

totally and completely wipe them out. Anhilation. That is the only solution.
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if spidey07_post != sarcasm then

response.write ("killing does not end killing and it never has........EVER")

else

withdraw(currentpost)

end if

 
Originally posted by: gigapet
you'd be singing a different tune if your family had bombs and mortars accidentally dropped in there home.

surgery is not a weapon to kill, its purpose is to heal. Bombs and mortars are meant to kill....that is intent....and i thnk you can agree that dropping bombs and surgery are not on the same playing field...
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there are not always perfect solutions, and that is besides the point. nothing justifies such terrorism.

as for singing a different tune, you'd be singing a different tune if your loved one died on the the surgical table. and frankly by your standards you wouldn't have the right to judge it any different from a calculated murder. the end results are the same after all.

the brutality of the scalpel and the destructive power of the bomb are not something we use for no apparent reason, but something we resort to in order to root out corruption.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
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oh shutup, stop equating accidental civilian deaths to intentional murder. intent makes all the difference. else the difference between the accidental death of a person on a surgical table becomes equivalent to the worst murder with such nonsense. all things become unjudgable in your distorted world of moral equivalence. nothing, absolutely nothing justifies their actions. its disgusting that you even try.
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i agree that accidental civilian deaths != intentional murder. but you cannot deny that US troops under the order of the great George W Bush attacking them and "accidentally" killing their family members are a PART of the reason why they are resorting to such extremes. These actions are evil and those commiting it should be put out of evil ways. But the matter of fact remains that we started it. The immediate finger points to the muslim fundies, but the trail of fingers point right back to us. Had we not invaded them w/o a reason, those americans civilians would not be dead at this point. we are partly to blame for their deaths.

also, as i recall, US contractors have been residing in the mid-east for decades now. how come the beheadings are surfacing now? The first poor soul that got beheaded (Berg?) used to do contract work in UAE or Saudi Arabia prior to going over to Iraq. There are muslim fundies in UAE and Saudi Arabia.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
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oh please, you know that the only solution to this problem is to wipe them out.

totally and completely wipe them out. Anhilation. That is the only solution.
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just like they are trying to do to us?
we call their people who think like this "muslim fundamentalists"
should we call you "american fundementalist"?

besides, we will never stoop to their (fundementalists') level
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: gigapet
you'd be singing a different tune if your family had bombs and mortars accidentally dropped in there home.

surgery is not a weapon to kill, its purpose is to heal. Bombs and mortars are meant to kill....that is intent....and i thnk you can agree that dropping bombs and surgery are not on the same playing field...
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there are not always perfect solutions, and that is besides the point. nothing justifies such terrorism.

as for singing a different tune, you'd be singing a different tune if your loved one died on the the surgical table. and frankly by your standards you wouldn't have the right to judge it any different from a calculated murder. the end results are the same after all.

the brutality of the scalpel and the destructive power of the bomb are not something we use for no apparent reason, but something we resort to in order to root out corruption.
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scapels are not by any means brutal.....and if a loved one died on a surgical table i'm pretty sure they would have died sooner hadnt they been there. surgery is usually an attempt to keep you alive, implying that you were going to die in the first place.

how is terrorism with a knife and a video camera any different than an airstrike? I'd be more scared of jet fighters and tanks than a nutbag with a butcher knife.

please find me in history when killing has ever solved a problem without creating a larger one. WWII was supposed to be the war to end all wars wasnt it? pfft!

 
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: spidey07
what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
Click to expand...

oh please, you know that the only solution to this problem is to wipe them out.

totally and completely wipe them out. Anhilation. That is the only solution.
Click to expand...

if spidey07_post != sarcasm then

response.write ("killing does not end killing and it never has........EVER")

else

withdraw(currentpost)

end if
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no, I'm serious. I don't think you comprehend what we're dealing with. A fundamental clash between the modern world and the barbarians. This is only the beginning.
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
Click to expand...

oh shutup, stop equating accidental civilian deaths to intentional murder. intent makes all the difference. else the difference between the accidental death of a person on a surgical table becomes equivalent to the worst murder with such nonsense. all things become unjudgable in your distorted world of moral equivalence. nothing, absolutely nothing justifies their actions. its disgusting that you even try.
Click to expand...

i agree that accidental civilian deaths != intentional murder. but you cannot deny that US troops under the order of the great George W Bush attacking them and "accidentally" killing their family members are a PART of the reason why they are resorting to such extremes. These actions are evil and those commiting it should be put out of evil ways. But the matter of fact remains that we started it. The immediate finger points to the muslim fundies, but the trail of fingers point right back to us. Had we not invaded them w/o a reason, those americans civilians would not be dead at this point. we are partly to blame for their deaths.

also, as i recall, US contractors have been residing in the mid-east for decades now. how come the beheadings are surfacing now? The first poor soul that got beheaded (Berg?) used to do contract work in UAE or Saudi Arabia prior to going over to Iraq. There are muslim fundies in UAE and Saudi Arabia.
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are all the terrorists the result of lost family members? jjust ask yourself this, who did we kill in osama's family? its religion that is the main culprite here. theres no denying it. are all the family members of those killled under the previous regiem taking revenge with terrorism against those who perpetrated those murders? hundreds of thousands killed, that should make for quite the blood bath, but no, it doesn't happen. ask yourself this, have all other regions on earth that have suffered civilian deaths in war resorted to such barbarity? of course not. its religion that is the culprite, to deny this is deny reality. and if you want ot play the game of tracing reasons back as far as you want to... perhaps american civilians would not be dead at this point if a certain cult leader called mohammed had never been born.😛

as for saudi arabia, the contractors were highly controlled. the deal made with the saudi's kept the foreigners as separated as possible from the general public. we agreed to such a deal which is why they chose us over the british. thus the separated compounds for living etc. to touch their society as little as possible
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: spidey07
what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.
Click to expand...

oh please, you know that the only solution to this problem is to wipe them out.

totally and completely wipe them out. Anhilation. That is the only solution.
Click to expand...

if spidey07_post != sarcasm then

response.write ("killing does not end killing and it never has........EVER")

else

withdraw(currentpost)

end if
Click to expand...

no, I'm serious. I don't think you comprehend what we're dealing with. A fundamental clash between the modern world and the barbarians. This is only the beginning.
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when you distrupt the bees nest do not be surprised when they swarm together and attack you.

killing does not end killing......EVER
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?
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An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.
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Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:
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How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.
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a couple innocent americans dead vs. how many innocent iraquis?

and there is question why they do these things......
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yeah im sure the americans ran around kidnapping innocent civilians and beheading them. you are simply a dumbass extraordinaire.
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no we had strategic missles and mortars to do the beheading for us!

and if you think for a minute that any less than a 1000 iraqi civilians have been killed then you are the dumass extraordinaire

1000+ innocent iraqi > 2 american civilians

i'd be pissed off myself
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But the most recent beheading were not done under any premise of retribution for killed "innocents." The most recent head lopping were because they want their two wimmins out of detention, namely Dr. Germ and Mrs. Anthrax.
 
Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?
Click to expand...

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.
Click to expand...

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:
Click to expand...
How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.
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a couple innocent americans dead vs. how many innocent iraquis?

and there is question why they do these things......
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yeah im sure the americans ran around kidnapping innocent civilians and beheading them. you are simply a dumbass extraordinaire.
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no we had strategic missles and mortars to do the beheading for us!

and if you think for a minute that any less than a 1000 iraqi civilians have been killed then you are the dumass extraordinaire

1000+ innocent iraqi > 2 american civilians

i'd be pissed off myself
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But the most recent beheading were not done under any premise of retribution for killed "innocents." The most recent head lopping were because they want their two wimmins out of detention, namely Dr. Germ and Mrs. Anthrax.
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not sure what that is supposed to prove but regardless of the real motive, they would clearly use it to advance whichever interest is most important to them at the time, in this case getting those ppl out of prison as telling the US to stop killing innocent ppl would be the same as telling them to leave altogether....it would be laughable and have no response....just not realistic.
 
One thing that is not even being mentioned is that most of these terrorists in Iraq right now killing US civilians and setting of car bombs, etc. are NOT even Iraqis. The excuse that "if your family was bombed and killed you would do the same thing" does not fly. These terrorists are coming from countries such as Syria and Iran that are not friendly to Iraq, so they are not simply coming over to help out. There have most likely been as many (if not more) Iraqi civilian deaths due to terrorism after the major operations ended than the US caused during the invasion. I hear every day about another 60 Iraqis killed in a car bomb or suicide bombing.
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?
Click to expand...

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.
Click to expand...

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:
Click to expand...
How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.
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a couple innocent americans dead vs. how many innocent iraquis?

and there is question why they do these things......
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I heard the Taliban was looking for a few good men....

We don't go around kidnapping, torturing and beheading civilians. Not that I would really have a problem if we were to do it to the terrorists familes until they stopped this sh!t.
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?
Click to expand...

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.
Click to expand...

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:
Click to expand...
How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.
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Two Americans die and the whole country mourns... thousands of Iraq civilians die and no one gives a damn? If you can't see that, then YOU REALLY NEED HELP. In fact, this whole country needs help.

All I can say is we had the whole world supporting us right after 9/11, and now we've managed to turn that around by resorting to war as the solution to our problems. No wonder violence in this country is steep, but that's another can of worms that I don't want to even begin talking about.
 
Originally posted by: blahblah99
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?
Click to expand...

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.
Click to expand...

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:
Click to expand...
How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.
Click to expand...

Two Americans die and the whole country mourns... thousands of Iraq civilians die and no one gives a damn? If you can't see that, then YOU REALLY NEED HELP. In fact, this whole country needs help.

All I can say is we had the whole world supporting us right after 9/11, and now we've managed to turn that around by resorting to war as the solution to our problems. No wonder violence in this country is steep, but that's another can of worms that I don't want to even begin talking about.
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If we were as immoral as the terrorists there would be no Iraqis.... thank god we're the good guys....
If people like you had their way... we would sit and do nothing, the same number of innocent Iraqis would die under Hussein, and the terrorists would be organized, relaxed, unharassed and would be that much closer to acquiring the weapons that would make these beheadings seem like childs play.

-Max
 
again, so no one knows how to view these files on a mac? it's a .wmv file and i am tryin to view it on mac, i even tried using VLC player but I got no video.
 
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