Damn, the latest beheading videos are GRUESOME!

[zimu]

yay!! lets have another illegal war based on a president who really only cares about money!

 

[imported_judge]

Originally posted by: rh71
I haven't watched any of the beheading videos. Just hearing of the goryness is enough for me to judge just how sick these people are. I don't know why people keep hunting for these vids and I certainly don't know why we haven't shut them down yet. Why do we need to know anymore ? WHat purpose does it serve ? Shut them down... I don't care how they do it. I'm sure we are capable.

you can't shut down site that is exrcising freedom of speech, plus i am sure this sites are outside america

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

I dunno... but we can sit here and wonder... or we can take action. I wonder what made Hitler do what he did?

-Max

Or you could think about it, realize WHY it was happening, learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

Just rememeber this when 9/11 v2.0 happens.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

If your country was invaded without reason, your family killed, and you have nothing left to live for, would you? Not that that scenario represents all the people in Iraq, but that may be one of the reasons.

Motivate me to cut the head off of an innocent man who has his own family?... no I don't think so.

and BTW this should be in P&N

it's called guerilla warfare, and although brutal and savage, it's worked throughout history. i don't especially appreciate the fact that the US military is being put into a situation it was not trained for properly, but imagine if what is happening in Iraq happened all over the world.

That is not guerilla warfare. You misunderstand the tactic.

Edit: unless you mean the fact that it weakens the resolve of the American people. Then I guess it could be considered as such.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: rh71
I haven't watched any of the beheading videos. Just hearing of the goryness is enough for me to judge just how sick these people are. I don't know why people keep hunting for these vids and I certainly don't know why we haven't shut them down yet. Why do we need to know anymore ? WHat purpose does it serve ? Shut them down... I don't care how they do it. I'm sure we are capable.

you can't shut down site that is exrcising freedom of speech, plus i am sure this sites are outside america

Well I was thinking more along the lines of ... oops we bombed the wrong building. And sorry, these people don't have rights. They aren't even people.

 

[imported_judge]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

I dunno... but we can sit here and wonder... or we can take action. I wonder what made Hitler do what he did?

-Max

Or you could think about it, realize WHY it was happening, learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

Just rememeber this when 9/11 v2.0 happens.

if we learn anything from history, everything repeats as we don't learn and unfortunatly you're correct, 911 v2.0 will happen, and i am afraid it will be force then v1.0

 

[bernse]

No. They're cowards going after civies. You want to see wicked stuff, see what the Japs did during the war to Allied prisoners. Makes these "tough" arab "beheadings" look like childs play.

They're still bastards and deserve to die.

 

[rh71]

^ what did they do ?

 

[johnjbruin]

I just watched it too. It is a sad thing to see.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

I dunno... but we can sit here and wonder... or we can take action. I wonder what made Hitler do what he did?

-Max

Or you could think about it, realize WHY it was happening, learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

Just rememeber this when 9/11 v2.0 happens.

if we learn anything from history, everything repeats as we don't learn and unfortunatly you're correct, 911 v2.0 will happen, and i am afraid it will be force then v1.0

Not true. We do learn from history. Look at Europe. After the early and mid 1900s they said fvck all this war. It's getting too serious now. Let's just get along. The allies learned not to punish Germany so severely after WWII as that is what led to WWII in the first place. And it has only been recently that a single German soldier has stepped foot out of Germany. Europe learned, and now that the war is being taken to the US civilians, maybe they will learn too.

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

When one believes in nothing but humanity, one is forced to compromise their right and wrong ideals. Secular humanists attempt to rationalize abhorrent behavior, to "see where they are coming from", in an attempt to avoid the universal truth. The truth being that there is a REAL Right and Wrong, a Good and Evil.

 

[imported_judge]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

I dunno... but we can sit here and wonder... or we can take action. I wonder what made Hitler do what he did?

-Max

Or you could think about it, realize WHY it was happening, learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

Just rememeber this when 9/11 v2.0 happens.

if we learn anything from history, everything repeats as we don't learn and unfortunatly you're correct, 911 v2.0 will happen, and i am afraid it will be force then v1.0

Not true. We do learn from history. Look at Europe. After the early and mid 1900s they said fvck all this war. It's getting too serious now. Let's just get along. The allies learned not to punish Germany so severely after WWII as that is what led to WWII in the first place. And it has only been recently that a single German soldier has stepped foot out of Germany. Europe learned, and now that the war is being taken to the US civilians, maybe they will learn too.

I hope you right, i am just afraid that we will forget history and everything will happen all over again

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

I dunno... but we can sit here and wonder... or we can take action. I wonder what made Hitler do what he did?

-Max

Or you could think about it, realize WHY it was happening, learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

Just rememeber this when 9/11 v2.0 happens.

if we learn anything from history, everything repeats as we don't learn and unfortunatly you're correct, 911 v2.0 will happen, and i am afraid it will be force then v1.0

Not true. We do learn from history. Look at Europe. After the early and mid 1900s they said fvck all this war. It's getting too serious now. Let's just get along. The allies learned not to punish Germany so severely after WWII as that is what led to WWII in the first place. And it has only been recently that a single German soldier has stepped foot out of Germany. Europe learned, and now that the war is being taken to the US civilians, maybe they will learn too.

I hope you right, i am just afraid that we will forget history and everything will happen all over again

Well that isn't quite how history went. We had to completely crush them and then build them up. WW2 was caused by not doing this in the first world war.

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: rh71
^ what did they do ?

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[JeffCos]

I just watched the Eugene Armstrong video and I don't understand how anyone could hate a culture so much that they could do that to an innocent person just because they're part of that culture or from that nation. It baffles me. It'd be so easy for us to go out and kidnap 10 or even 20x the number of people they're kidnapping and do the same thing to them. Even though we never would do that, we would atleast be humane and do it quickly with a bullet to the head. Why do you think we as a country don't get as involved in war like they do over there. Is it because no one has ever seen a war on US soil? Is it because we watch war on TV and it doesn't seem real to us? Or is it because we refuse to stoop to their level of (in)humanity?

 

[imported_judge]

Originally posted by: JeffCos
I just watched the Eugene Armstrong video and I don't understand how anyone could hate a culture so much that they could do that to an innocent person just because they're part of that culture or from that nation. It baffles me. It'd be so easy for us to go out and kidnap 10 or even 20x the number of people they're kidnapping and do the same thing to them. Even though we never would do that, we would atleast be humane and do it quickly with a bullet to the head. Why do you think we as a country don't get as involved in war like they do over there. Is it because no one has ever seen a war on US soil? Is it because we watch war on TV and it doesn't seem real to us? Or is it because we refuse to stoop to their level of (in)humanity?

Its because we are on there soil

 

[imported_Condor]

Terrorism is miss-named. It breeds rage, not terror!

 

[imported_Condor]

We quit using napalm too soon. I would love to see some napalm dances over there!

 

[imported_Condor]

For the last 1400 years? Nothing we did.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
When one believes in nothing but humanity, one is forced to compromise their right and wrong ideals. Secular humanists attempt to rationalize abhorrent behavior, to "see where they are coming from", in an attempt to avoid the universal truth. The truth being that there is a REAL Right and Wrong, a Good and Evil.

bullsh*t. secular humanists see human behavior as just that, human behavior. it doesn't mean its justified. coming up with rational disctinctions for right and wrong is better then the arbitrary"magical" reasoning which really is devoid of any real substance. its the terrorists religious "truth" that allows them to perpetrate such barbarity after all, it is all "right" in the name of their diety. the countless references to infidels, jihads, and martyrdom count as their truth. and one cannot argue with irrational magic belief, they have no need or want to compromise at all. it is right by devine authority alone, and nothing can be worse then that.

 

[imported_Condor]

Guerilla warfare was practiced by the Viet Kong. These pigs make them look proudly professional. They attacked military units, not innocent people without weapons who are there as contractors to help in the reconstruction. These are cowards, not guerillas.

 

[imported_Condor]

You do mean the wrong buildings in NYC, don't you?

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: fredtam
Well that isn't quite how history went. We had to completely crush them and then build them up. WW2 was caused by not doing this in the first world war.

Wow, that's a pretty twisted view of history you have their buddy.

What school did YOU learn European history at? Bubba's School of True American Patriots?

WW1 was inevitable, essentially due to England's asinine stance on HAVING to be THE world power. They ended up itching for war with Germany because Germany decided they wanted to be a world power, and proceeded to build a navy large enough to try to challenge England.

Now, England is, was, and always will be an island nation *dependant* on sea travel. For another country - so close - to even approach parity of power was (to England's perception) a horrific problem that needed to be resolved. English supremacy of the sea could never be allowed to be in doubt.

Now, the actual events that TRIGGERED the war were the result of an alliance system of a type which has existed in Europe for millenia...however....many opportunities were still presented to avert the war. Only A) England *wanted* to smack Germany down...but not alone, she needed allies and B) Germany *wanted* to make a place for herself in history, which meant at least standing up to England just once.

Now, this war was pretty awfully close until America entered. Germany won all the major land battles, the great navy she built wasn't doing so good against England, but the u-boats were, etc. The US economy just couldn't be argued with, though, and once we started pouring resources into the war...well, it was over pretty quickly.

The point to remember is that England essentially let the war happen entirely for the reason of smacking down Germany...and France had certainly had enough of the Prussian military invading them every couple years...so when the time came to draw up a treaty they were BRUTAL. Truly ruthless. Germany's entire navy was to be impounded (hundreds of capital ships - cruisers, battleships, etc), the air force disbanded, army reduced to little more than police-keeping force, etc. For a war that ended in a negotiated truce to have such humiliating terms forced on the losing side was too much.

And, THEN, of course, we have an already violated country start sagging even further under the weight of the depression, with an economy near collape, while STILL being forced to pay millions in war reperations to countries that didn't even vanquish them in battle, but who they simply negotiated a truce with!

While the exact way it happened may have been up in the air, and which leader or poltical party would take over could have gone any way....to say that World War 2 was inevitable as a result of the WW1 treaty terms no matter what, would be an understatement of epic proportions!

It had nothing to do with tearing down or rebuilding or any such thing. You end a war fought honorably on honorable conditions. If you force a country to accept dishonorable defeat, they return the favor in the next war they fight with you.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

They're murdering an unarmed man behind closed doors while he's tied to a chair...and the US is wimpy?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: GoodDad

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Are these the 3 who were being held until some "female" prisoners were released? :|

And I am NOT going to be watching this. I watched the Daniel Pearl video, never again.

These are WAY worse.

IMHO anyone who wants to comment on the situation in Iraq should watch these. They are brutal and disgusting, but they show what kind of people we are dealing with. If these people want to act like savages, then lets treat them as such.

Agreed.

The "savages" didn't asked to be invaded & colonize. I'm not trying to justify the situation in Iraq?those people don?t want the US to be there; therefore you should leave, and let the blue blooded war mongers do their own dirty work.

Pearl was beheaded before the war you know...

If any of you believe that merely the invasion of Iraq alone is the only motivation these terrorists have, then you have issues.