Damn, the latest beheading videos are GRUESOME!

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

I dunno... but we can sit here and wonder... or we can take action. I wonder what made Hitler do what he did?

-Max

Or you could think about it, realize WHY it was happening, learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

Just rememeber this when 9/11 v2.0 happens.

if we learn anything from history, everything repeats as we don't learn and unfortunatly you're correct, 911 v2.0 will happen, and i am afraid it will be force then v1.0

Not true. We do learn from history. Look at Europe. After the early and mid 1900s they said fvck all this war. It's getting too serious now. Let's just get along. The allies learned not to punish Germany so severely after WWII as that is what led to WWII in the first place. And it has only been recently that a single German soldier has stepped foot out of Germany. Europe learned, and now that the war is being taken to the US civilians, maybe they will learn too.

I hope you right, i am just afraid that we will forget history and everything will happen all over again

Well that isn't quite how history went. We had to completely crush them and then build them up. WW2 was caused by not doing this in the first world war.

That and the Treaty of Versailles.

 

[0roo0roo]

While the exact way it happened may have been up in the air, and which leader or poltical party would take over could have gone any way....to say that World War 2 was inevitable as a result of the WW1 treaty terms no matter what, would be an understatement of epic proportions!

It had nothing to do with tearing down or rebuilding or any such thing. You end a war fought honorably on honorable conditions. If you force a country to accept dishonorable defeat, they return the favor in the next war they fight with you.

well they got the chance to fight that next war because the european powers thought ww1 was the war to end all wars. that war had become so destructive no one would dare. course they neglected to factor in a zealous leader that would play on the other countries reluctance to go to war. as hitler in the early years could have been easily stamped out, but they overlooked transgressionover transgression because they feared total war more then anything else.

 

[suklee]

I'm with vi_edit. Never seen any of the beheading videos, and never will.

to these latest two American fathers... and to the Briton who is still alive... may God be with you. 🙁

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: judge

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

I dunno... but we can sit here and wonder... or we can take action. I wonder what made Hitler do what he did?

-Max

Or you could think about it, realize WHY it was happening, learn from your mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

Just rememeber this when 9/11 v2.0 happens.

if we learn anything from history, everything repeats as we don't learn and unfortunatly you're correct, 911 v2.0 will happen, and i am afraid it will be force then v1.0

Not true. We do learn from history. Look at Europe. After the early and mid 1900s they said fvck all this war. It's getting too serious now. Let's just get along. The allies learned not to punish Germany so severely after WWII as that is what led to WWII in the first place. And it has only been recently that a single German soldier has stepped foot out of Germany. Europe learned, and now that the war is being taken to the US civilians, maybe they will learn too.

There is a great difference between Europe and Iraq in this aspect.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: rh71
^ what did they do ?

Text

As a Chinese person, I still say the beheadings are more brutal than what the Japanese did.

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well they got the chance to fight that next war because the european powers thought ww1 was the war to end all wars. that war had become so destructive no one would dare. course they neglected to factor in a zealous leader that would play on the other countries reluctance to go to war. as hitler in the early years could have been easily stamped out, but they overlooked transgressionover transgression because they feared total war more then anything else.

*sigh*

Goddamn, I hate this country's inadequate education system sometimes.

1) Nobody believed WW1 was the 'war to end all wars'. That was a press lie to keep new recruits joining the various militaries.

2) Hell, it wasn't even REALLY a 'world war'. For starters, with the exception of Graf Spee's Asiatic squadron, the war was almost completely localized to Europe. The actual fighting was more limited in scope than *several* previous wars (Napoleon's campaigns come to mind right away as having a far greater scope than WW1 did, and WW1 as a whole was nearly a mirror of the last Franco-Prussian War, only this time with naval combat in various other oceans). IOW, it was pretty much just a repeat of half a dozen previous wars in Europe.

3) Other countries not willing to go to war wasn't *entirely* the problem, either. The other European powers, in their respective ego trips after enforcing a humiliating truce on Germany, proceeded to make *several* rather egregious over-estimations:
- The the Versailles treaty actually could cripple Germany's military power, and even a country 'stepping over the line' by some margin would still be no threat. That's the biggest reason they 'forgave' German trangressions. They didn't believe the (visibly) small amount that Germany stepped over the line was enough to make a difference.
- The maginot line. Boy, were the French proud of that. Boy, were the French dumb. The Germans went through Belgium LAST time, do you REALLY think they aren't going to do it again? Anyway, it made France rather insular all of a sudden.
- That replacing a country's leaders also replaces the country's attitude and perspective on the world. Germany WANTED to be a world power. It's population and technological might had been growing exponentially for decades, and changing the leaders of a country isn't going to change the fact that it IS on the way to becoming a world power.

4) Hitler was not the problem. ANYBODY would have risen to power in Germany at the time. You don't humiliate a nation like Versailles did to Germany and expect them not to hate you for it. That's the big difference between WW2 and WW1. After WW2 the allies essentially said "Sorry, citizens of Germany. We hate that we had to fight you, but we did, no hard feelings, we'll help you rebuild now". After WW1 the allies essentially said "HAHA!! W3 r0x0r U!!!!11! Germany uR l3wS3rs!!! U g0t pwn3d!! PWn3D!!! HAHA!!", and then continue the problem by not forgiving the war debt when the depression hit (only the US ever did, IIRC). If Hitler had been 'taken out', someone else would have risen.

If the treaty stipulations had been enforced, and Germany wasn't allowed to built up a legitimate army and navy, the world would likely have quickly learned about international terrorism as a means of waging war a LOT earlier. The problem was the treaty itself. England, France, and Russia were all just as guilty of WW1 starting as Germany was - to put all the blame for the entire war and the actions of all other countries on ONE nation was simply wrong to do, and only set up the world for even greater problems.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: rh71
^ what did they do ?

Text

As a Chinese person, I still say the beheadings are more brutal than what the Japanese did.

no kidding, i finally watched it. a good 30 seconds of them sawing his neck while he screams and screams before it ends. i looked at the time indicator. i doubt it'll affect any in the middle east, they just blame it on a jewish conspiracy to make them look bad etc.

If the treaty stipulations had been enforced, and Germany wasn't allowed to built up a legitimate army and navy, the world would likely have quickly learned about international terrorism as a means of waging war a LOT earlier. The problem was the treaty itself. England, France, and Russia were all just as guilty of WW1 starting as Germany was - to put all the blame for the entire war and the actions of all other countries on ONE nation was simply wrong to do, and only set up the world for even greater problems.

and oh shutup about the educational system, you went off on a tyrade on stuff i didn't even claim. france was vengful after ww1, and well yes thats a problem, i never said it wasn't. what i said about them feeling that their supposed collective fear of total war would prevent all war was true. it was the whole bs of the lleague of nations.

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: rh71
^ what did they do ?

Text

As a Chinese person, I still say the beheadings are more brutal than what the Japanese did.

Torturing for weeks on end and eating them is better than a 30 second beheading?
😕

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: rh71
^ what did they do ?

Text

As a Chinese person, I still say the beheadings are more brutal than what the Japanese did.

You forgot the fact that there were only a handful that got beheaded in Iraq while hundreds of thousands of civilians and POWs were murdered in extremely brutal, sadistic fashion by the japs in WWII. Many POWs rather die than get captured by the japs. They made the Germans looked like nice persons.

 

[Glendor]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
A lot of you guys seriously disgust me.

As for those claiming some sort of research defense ("The US faked the first one"), IIRC they found his headless body shortly after the video was released.

What more proof do you need (unless you're asinine enough to believe the govt did that too)? There are some rocks best left unturned, & this is one of them.

Those of you who have some desire to see this might take a look at yourself & say "How the f*** did I end up here?"

Listen to vi, let these people be remembered for who they were & not the noises they made when they died.

ATOT has turned into the freaking psych ward.

Viper GTS

Thanks Viper, I couldn't have said it better.

Glendor...

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

mind control

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:

How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:

How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.

a couple innocent americans dead vs. how many innocent iraquis?

and there is question why they do these things......

 

[phillyTIM]

Damn I hate to say this, but I hope the militants let loose all this fallout that the Bush Regime's fraudulent war has wraught and taints the Public's view just right to cost Bush the election.

The blood of the beheadings are on Bush's hands, for what he and his Regime had perputrated in this sham of an invasion. Let this holy terror reign and take down Bush!

 

[IHYLN]

the video is appalling. I did not know that a religion could breed these types of radical and worthless scum.

I say we start leveling iraq, hey it will be a clean slate program for them. Literally 🙂

 

[phillyTIM]

Iraq needs to elect Bush as their President.

The US needs to deport Bush.

 

[IHYLN]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:

How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.

a couple innocent americans dead vs. how many innocent iraquis?

and there is question why they do these things......

yeah im sure the americans ran around kidnapping innocent civilians and beheading them. you are simply a dumbass extraordinaire.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Damn I hate to say this, but I hope the militants let loose all this fallout that the Bush Regime's fraudulent war has wraught and taints the Public's view just right to cost Bush the election.

The blood of the beheadings are on Bush's hands, for what he and his Regime had perputrated in this sham of an invasion. Let this holy terror reign and take down Bush!

Why don't you go over there and volunteer to be a kidnapee. They would be glad to oblige you and we would be glad to be rid of you.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: IHYLN

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: silverpig
Do you guys ever wonder what might drive a person to do this kind of thing?

An incredibly small penis?

Have not seen it nor will I. Just the mention of it makes me want to go out and torture Muslim Fundamentalists though.

Muslim fundamentalists have been tortured before any of the beheadings in the Abu Ghairb prisons. The beheadings was a result of what went on in the prison. :disgust:
Sadly most Americans are too ignorant to acknowledge this. :roll:

How many prisoners had cranial detachment surgery in Abu Gharib?

People who justify the beheadings as retaliation for anything are missing the whole point. These videos are documentation of the worst kind of acts.

Torture is bad. Collateral damage is bad.

Kindnapping a civilian, holding them hostage with unmeetable demands (release prisoners who don't exist), and then cutting their head off on camera while wearing a mask to hide your cowardly identity is the worst kind of evil.

If you can't see that you need help.

a couple innocent americans dead vs. how many innocent iraquis?

and there is question why they do these things......

yeah im sure the americans ran around kidnapping innocent civilians and beheading them. you are simply a dumbass extraordinaire.

no we had strategic missles and mortars to do the beheading for us!

and if you think for a minute that any less than a 1000 iraqi civilians have been killed then you are the dumass extraordinaire

1000+ innocent iraqi > 2 american civilians

i'd be pissed off myself

 

[Bassyhead]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I guess I'm on of the few people that hasn't seen any of the "beheading" videos. Never saw the Danny Pearl one, never saw the couple that happened earlier this year, haven't and won't actively search out this one.

These people have been tormented enough. Passing these videos around and talking about how gross they are just seems to desecrate any decency they ever had.

Seriously, if your wife or child was beheaded, would you want a bunch of people on the internet passing around the snuff film of it?

I agree. Talking about these people's beheadings is something that absolutely can be done without. Show some respect for our American citizens and their families that died while serving us.

 

[IHYLN]

those iraqi civilian casualties were not intentional but there is a distinct difference when innocent people are killed due to errant bombs/bad info and innocent civilians getting their head chopped off on TV over some stupid religion.

get a clue.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: IHYLN
those iraqi civilian casualties were not intentional but there is a distinct difference when innocent people are killed due to errant bombs/bad info and innocent civilians getting their head chopped off on TV over some stupid religion.

get a clue.

what should i get a clue about?


at what point does killing civilians by accident stop being acceptable? 1000 dead? 5000 maybe? 10000? 100,000?

you need to get a clue because neither the beheadings or the deaths of civilian iraqi's or the deaths of 1000+ US soliders plus 100's from other countries would have occured if we didnt belligerantly storm into another country on some made up premise that held about as much water as a grain of sand.

 

[purbeast0]

bah i went to check the video but i can't view it because i'm on a macintosh and its a .wmv file ...