Damn Bill Clinton single-handedly destroyed the GOP argument in one speech

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mrCide

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Excellent. They can start quoting all the Republican proposals and sound bites of Republicans saying they want to raise taxes on the middle class..... Oh Wait, there are none :)

Just remember, the last time someone promised not to raise taxes on the middle class we got the Obamacare $2000/person tax.

I understand that you don't like Obama and liberals, but why aren't you ever talking shit about the moron republicans? Are you really just a partisan hack?
 

waggy

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Eastwood sounded like a blithering idiot next to Clinton.

To be fair most would sound like a idiot next to Clinton. the man is a master at giving speeches. He makes Obama look like a kid and Romney look well..we won't go there.

no way in hell would i want to be after Clinton giving a speech. just wouldn't do it.
 

zsdersw

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You are all going to love or hate the speech based on whether you're more closely aligned to the Democrats or the Republicans. *yawn*... no surprises there.

What matters is how the rest of the public perceives it vs. what they heard at the Republican convention... and that we don't quite know yet.
 

Phokus

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You are all going to love or hate the speech based on whether you're more closely aligned to the Democrats or the Republicans. *yawn*... no surprises there.

What matters is how the rest of the public perceives it vs. what they heard at the Republican convention... and that we don't quite know yet.

I'm going to love the speech based on the fact that Slick Willy is totally right about jobs created under democrats vs. republicans.
 

crashtestdummy

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To be fair most would sound like a idiot next to Clinton. the man is a master at giving speeches. He makes Obama look like a kid and Romney look well..we won't go there.

no way in hell would i want to be after Clinton giving a speech. just wouldn't do it.

What's funny is that Clinton doesn't actually have the best reputation as an orator. He's an expert at debates because he can explain complex ideas in very simple, straightforward terms. His speeches tend to be disorganized, rambling, and go on far too long (look up some of his old state of the union speeches).

The reason this speech succeeded is that he wrote it as a debate. He (mostly) stuck to a list of Republican arguments and made counterpoints to each of them. The result was the best speech he's ever given, but one that he can only make once in a campaign. If he were to try to take this on the road, it would quickly sound tired and boring again.

An amusing side product of the speech is that he explained Obama's case so easily and simply and easily that the viewer is left thinking "why the hell didn't someone say all this before???"
 

Matt1970

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I understand that you don't like Obama and liberals, but why aren't you ever talking shit about the moron republicans? Are you really just a partisan hack?

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

And I have plenty of criticism for my own party.
 

blankslate

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I watched a Republican commentator who said something to the effect of "Damn, I wish the we had someone who could communicate like Bill Clinton."
 

waggy

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I watched a Republican commentator who said something to the effect of "Damn, I wish the we had someone who could communicate like Bill Clinton."

lol I love Eastwood. but after him? yeah im sure they were asking that question!


An amusing side product of the speech is that he explained Obama's case so easily and simply and easily that the viewer is left thinking "why the hell didn't someone say all this before???"

lol that is what i was thinking after!
 

Atreus21

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Truly masterful. I wish this guy were still President, truly a transformational political figure. Nobody can explain the Democratic policies and platform in such plain English like he can.

Obama owes him big time. This speech just sealed the deal for him. He made the argument for Barack's reelection better than Barack likely will on Thursday.

What'd he say?

I think if Clinton gave me the time of day, I'd be quick to get a second opinion.
 
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Atreus21

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Nobody claimed Trickle Down caused the housing market crash. Trickle Down is a major contributor to our huge deficit.

I think lawmakers being unable to work within their revenue is a far greater contributor to our huge deficit.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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You are all going to love or hate the speech based on whether you're more closely aligned to the Democrats or the Republicans. *yawn*... no surprises there.

What matters is how the rest of the public perceives it vs. what they heard at the Republican convention... and that we don't quite know yet.

Thats true. As for me nothing new has been learned.

I read something in the Foundation series back when I was a kid. An alien came to earth and made a magnificent, moving speech. Rather than taking it at face value the scientists scientifically analyzed it and found its content to amount to zero. The alien talked a great deal (or perhaps it was a written agreement, but the principle holds) but in reality nothing was said. I've always tried to look at speeches that way. A critical point I can pick out is Clinton and his arithmetic comment. Receipts are higher during a boom and he was in office during the biggest. When Bush came in that had exhausted itself and the economy was in a downturn. The economy still hasn't recovered and both parties are either so stupid or disingenuous that they have done nothing of substance to mitigate the real problem not solved by increasing or decreasing taxes, that is to create positive incentives to create lasting, decent paying jobs, not the burger flipping kind that Clinton boasted of. To be the dems can take credit for GM and the reps have no equivalent, but the real message is that the dems advantage is in not doing what is needed but they won't make it too much worse. Hardly inspiring.
 

diesbudt

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Thats true. As for me nothing new has been learned.

I read something in the Foundation series back when I was a kid. An alien came to earth and made a magnificent, moving speech. Rather than taking it at face value the scientists scientifically analyzed it and found its content to amount to zero. The alien talked a great deal (or perhaps it was a written agreement, but the principle holds) but in reality nothing was said. I've always tried to look at speeches that way. A critical point I can pick out is Clinton and his arithmetic comment. Receipts are higher during a boom and he was in office during the biggest. When Bush came in that had exhausted itself and the economy was in a downturn. The economy still hasn't recovered and both parties are either so stupid or disingenuous that they have done nothing of substance to mitigate the real problem not solved by increasing or decreasing taxes, that is to create positive incentives to create lasting, decent paying jobs, not the burger flipping kind that Clinton boasted of. To be the dems can take credit for GM and the reps have no equivalent, but the real message is that the dems advantage is in not doing what is needed but they won't make it too much worse. Hardly inspiring.

If "We will not make anything worse" is the best any party has to offer, we are entirely screwed.
 

diesbudt

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Americans still blame Bush for the bad economy over Obama, according to polls. Plus, the costly wars and just a general fucked up presidency overall by bush.


I also remember 4 years ago when Mccain and Obama were running for President, it became known Bush didn't support Romney during the Preliminaries.

So I think it really is he does not support Romney.
 

kage69

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Why didn't Bush speak at the RNC?


Probably has something to do with him being a rather slow. English was never his strong suit either.

The risk of seeing him and remembering his fiasco of a admin might be an issue too, not sure.
 

berzerker60

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Just wait four years from now when Hillary has Bill and Barack stumping for her.

For all the Republicans here, I give to you a fun anecdote.

(The $50 lesson)
[old email forward]

The saddest part about this tired 'anecdote' is that every little kid I've known would be thrilled to take money over and give it to a stranger if you asked her to. It's only later in life that we stop teaching sharing and promote greed and selfishness instead.
 

Phokus

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More than likely due to the fact he's chosen to stay away from politics all together since leaving office. Who knows maybe he's planning his next humanitarian aid mission to Africa.

I think he's cognizant that he would bring down Romney if he were to endorse him.
 

emperus

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To be fair most would sound like a idiot next to Clinton. the man is a master at giving speeches. He makes Obama look like a kid and Romney look well..we won't go there.

no way in hell would i want to be after Clinton giving a speech. just wouldn't do it.

Diasgree. Obama and Clinton have two different speaking styles. Clintons, speeches aren't lofty like those of MLK, they are more explanatory; easily distlling complex ideas to what the uninformed voter can undestand and relate to. More conversational. Obama's seeches are lofty, inspirational with the ability to stir people into action, akin to MLK's "We have a dream speech" or Patrick Henry's stirring "Give me Liberty or GIve me Death" spech. Two different styles but two amazing speakers.

What you are right about is that Romney was neither.
 
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