Damn Bill Clinton single-handedly destroyed the GOP argument in one speech

[yllus]

In Tampa, the Republican argument against the President’s re-election was pretty simple: we left him a total mess, he hasn’t cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in.

Snort!

 

[Tylanner]

Slick he was and perhaps even moved Obama over the edge.

But upon his win in November, the GOP will band together even harder, weather the storm (not cooperate) for 4 years and easily win in 2016.....

What a system!

 

[dank69]

The man who signed away Glass-Steagall is talking about who is responsible for the mess we are in? Now that's ironic. Other than that he was just using the same ole' worn out talking points we have been hearing all year.

You are referring to the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act which was indroduced and pushed by Republicans, and opposed by some Democrats because they feared it would allow banks to become too big to fail:

During debate in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Dingell (Democrat of Michigan) argued that the bill would result in banks becoming "too big to fail." Dingell further argued that this would necessarily result in a bailout by the Federal Government.[4]

Maybe that guy was a wizard? :hmm:

Maybe you think Clinton should have vetoed it when it passed the senate 90-8?

 

[Jhhnn]

Clinton annihilated Repub talking points entirely.

I doubt that any undecided voters who saw it remain undecided, and the usual Righties will necessarily descend deeper into denial. It's the one thing that the truth can't change. We'll be seeing a lot of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

The man who signed away Glass-Steagall is talking about who is responsible for the mess we are in? Now that's ironic. Other than that he was just using the same ole' worn out talking points we have been hearing all year.

Clinton has declared quite openly that he was wrong about that. Have Repubs done the same?

Hardly. They double down on trickle down, as if the results aren't entirely obvious.

 

[waggy]

Slick he was and perhaps even moved Obama over the edge.

But upon his win in November, the GOP will band together even harder, weather the storm (not cooperate) for 4 years and easily win in 2016.....

What a system!

that right there is my big problem. The government has became about the PARTY and what can you do for it and how can you stop the other one? no matter that it hurts the US you need to STOP the other party.

its bullshit.

I don't give a shit what the letter is after your name. GOP or Democrat mean nothing to me. both have had good ideas and both bad. we need to come together as a nation to make it better. not fuck up the other side.

 

[soulcougher73]

My favorite line "We simply can’t afford to double-down on trickle-down."

 

[Matt1970]

Clinton has declared quite openly that he was wrong about that. Have Repubs done the same?

Hardly. They double down on trickle down, as if the results aren't entirely obvious.

Trickle Down economics didn't cause the housing market crash.

What do you want to blame now?

 

[dank69]

Trickle Down economics didn't cause the housing market crash.

What do you want to blame now?

Nobody claimed Trickle Down caused the housing market crash. Trickle Down is a major contributor to our huge deficit.

 

[diesbudt]

Clinton annihilated Repub talking points entirely.

I doubt that any undecided voters who saw it remain undecided, and the usual Righties will necessarily descend deeper into denial. It's the one thing that the truth can't change. We'll be seeing a lot of it.

A) Only dems watch the DNC.
B) Football was on, so doubt anyone who needed to be swayed watched it even if interested.

 

[diesbudt]

For all the Republicans here, I give to you a fun anecdote.

(The $50 lesson)

I recently asked my friends' little girl what she wanted to be when she grew up. She said she wanted to be the President of the United States. Both of her parents, huge liberal Democrats, were standing there. So I asked her, "If you were president, what would be the first thing you would do?" She replied: "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people." Her parents beamed with with smiles.

"Wow...what a worthy goal," I told her. "But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds and sweep my driveway, and I'll pay you $50. Then I will take you to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a house."

She thought it over for a few seconds, then she looked at me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

Her parents still are not speaking to me.

 

[rudder]

In Tampa, the Republican argument against the President’s re-election was pretty simple: we left him a total mess, he hasn’t cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in.

And in Charlotte the Democrats argument for re-election is for everybody to forget the democrats policies that were responsible for a large portion of the economic problems the country faces today. But as long as the government keeps pumping money into the economy... all will be well in la la land.

 

[Matt1970]

Nobody claimed Trickle Down caused the housing market crash. Trickle Down is a major contributor to our huge deficit.

We had deficits well before Trickle Down economics. And we had a balanced budget in the 90's (minus borrowing against SS) while still very much in Trickle Down Economics by just a modest tax increase and some pretty hefty spending cuts.

The most recent tax cuts were in 2001 and 2003. We had massive spending increases in 2009 till present. Let me know where you see the deficit increase.

2002 $157 Billion Deficit
2003 $377 Billion Deficit
2004 $413 Billion Deficit
2005 $318 Billion Deficit
2006 $248 Billion Deficit
2007 $161 Billion Deficit
2008 $459 Billion Deficit
2009 $1413 Billion Deficit
2010 $1294 Billion Deficit
2011 $1299 Billion Deficit
2012 $1100 Billion Deficit

Still want to blame it on Trickle Down Economics?

 

[theevilsharpie]

A) Only dems watch the DNC.

Only hardcore partisans watch their respective parties' convention, but others will tune in during primetime, especially if a celebrity is speaking. If there's enough buzz about it, people will look it up on Youtube.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

That was a great speech. Maybe the Democrats should run on a platform of opposing the Republican's middle class tax increases.

 

[emperus]

For all the Republicans here, I give to you a fun anecdote.

(The $50 lesson)

I recently asked my friends' little girl what she wanted to be when she grew up. She said she wanted to be the President of the United States. Both of her parents, huge liberal Democrats, were standing there. So I asked her, "If you were president, what would be the first thing you would do?" She replied: "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people." Her parents beamed with with smiles.

"Wow...what a worthy goal," I told her. "But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds and sweep my driveway, and I'll pay you $50. Then I will take you to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a house."

She thought it over for a few seconds, then she looked at me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

Her parents still are not speaking to me.

Manipulating the uninformed. Welcome to the Republican Party.

 

[KlokWyze]

Nonetheless, is there any middle ground anymore? You get die hard Democrat voters and die hard Republican voters - do you get any voters who really arent sure? We never seem to hear about them.

not really... the respective middle of the road guys just aren't as motivated to vote. We do really need a genuinely viable new party to shake things up.

 

[diesbudt]

not really... the respective middle of the road guys just aren't as motivated to vote. We do really need a genuinely viable new party to shake things up.

Problem with this is :

(A) The amount of money and publicity it would take to start such a party.
(B) Dems and Rep. would band together to stop such a party from getting a piece of power pie. They do work together when both are threatened.
(C) Cannot go full power right away, would have to get 1-2 elected into congress first, probably in a small/easy state. They would then have to represent the party really well for the word to spread, then we could take a stab at such a party being powerful.
(D) Again, the money.

 

[OutHouse]

there is no doubt about it, Clinton is a MASTER orator. The man is truly gifted at giving speeches, nobody can touch him at the podium.

 

[sportage]

Painful watching Fox news admit Clinton hit a home run. Painful for them...
I do believe Bill even won over some of the Fox talking heads.
I mean after all... Clinton was right stating people do better under democrats.
Stats to prove it.
And that statement on jobs. Obama? Several million. The republican congress? -ZERO-.
THAT had to have hurt old John Boehner.
Even a Fox news employee has kids and investments that they would rather see succeed than take another massive hit under Romney/Bush polices.
I mean... why risk it?
As Clinton correctly stated, " Romney's only plan is to double down on trickle down".
That statement alone almost got me aroused.
No one does it like Bill does it!

And yeah, it would be nice to allow presidents, past presidents, to run again.
After all, giving someone like Clinton a third term would be up to the voters.
But what ticks me off, is that senators and congress members can run and rerun and run and rerun until they literally drop dead of old age.
Either lift limits on presidential terms, or hold senators and congress to the same rules.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Bill can speak off the cuff much better than Mr. Eastwood :biggrin:

Eastwood sounded like a blithering idiot next to Clinton.

 

[a777pilot]

Truly masterful. I wish this guy were still President, truly a transformational political figure. Nobody can explain the Democratic policies and platform in such plain English like he can.

Obama owes him big time. This speech just sealed the deal for him. He made the argument for Barack's reelection better than Barack likely will on Thursday.

The only problem with that is bill clinton is not running for President, obama is.

Mr. Romney wins with 320 Electoral College votes.

 

[sunzt]

Eastwood sounded like a blithering idiot next to a chair.

FTFY

 

[Matt1970]

That was a great speech. Maybe the Democrats should run on a platform of opposing the Republican's middle class tax increases.

Excellent. They can start quoting all the Republican proposals and sound bites of Republicans saying they want to raise taxes on the middle class..... Oh Wait, there are none

Just remember, the last time someone promised not to raise taxes on the middle class we got the Obamacare $2000/person tax.

 

[Nintendesert]

I wish Bill Clinton was running for President! He's way better than that idiot in office now. Too bad the Dems torpedoed Hillary for Obumbler and his buffoon VP, she'd have been as close to getting Bill back as we could have gotten.