Dakota Pipeline - Protestors Assaulted With Water Cannons In Freezing Weather

[Darwin333]

fuck yes I would...

Why wouldn't we leave all of our oil in the ground until the day comes when everyone else is used up?

Because I think we will be off of oil, at least for the most part, before that day ever comes...

 

[JSt0rm]

Do you think that we should shut down all existing pipelines that go near any water supply?

sure.

But see my last post about what we should be doing with the oil on this continent.

 

[JSt0rm]

Because I think we will be off of oil, at least for the most part, before that day ever comes...

Oil has other uses aside from burning.

 

[sdifox]

I just want the pipeline company to carry enough insurance to pay for All remediation and health consequences should a spill occur. And no ducking out with chapter 11 like the railline did with Lac Megantic. I don't understand how BP got away with not cleaning up the Gulf.

 

[John Connor]

And there are how many fucking pipe lines in this country? Quick, someone look it up.

These assholes would blow the pipe up!

 

[Jaskalas]

Why destroy more of the Earth?

Human prosperity is directly linked to fossil fuel consumption.
More humans... more drilling.

We need it because we do not have a stable population.
US population is not stable solely because of immigration.

 

[John Connor]

During the industrial revolution it was coal, now it's oil. We will then go to something else. Let human progress continue. It will take oil to do that, much like it took coal to bring on oil.

If history is any indicator it is that things evolve.

 

[Darwin333]

Oil has other uses aside from burning.

Being in the petrochemical capital of the country, I am quite aware of that. But we don't need nearly as much oil for that as we currently use and are steadily making synthetics to replace them.

 

[Darwin333]

sure.

But see my last post about what we should be doing with the oil on this continent.

You do realize that we ship other things via pipeline right? Shutting all of the pipelines down would throw this country into the deepest and darkest depression we have ever seen.

Hell just shutting down the actual crude oil pipelines would do the same. If we shut them down tomorrow for good we would literally never recover. Why would anyone want to do that to our country?

 

[sdifox]

During the industrial revolution it was coal, now it's oil. We will then go to something else. Let human progress continue. It will take oil to do that, much like it took coal to bring on oil.

If history is any indicator it is that things evolve.

Coal is still heavily used...

 

[werepossum]

Isn't this happening on private property? What should the police do? What should the developer of the project do? Just fold up?

The pipeline is crossing under a lake. Pretty sure any body of water that large is publicly owned as a navigable waterway.

I know pipelines have to cross stream drainage basins, otherwise they wouldn't be much use. But that crossing makes me nervous as hell. A leak deep under water would take a lot of time to isolate, shut down, and fix. It could devastate the local ecosystem.

The only problem is the pipeline is outside of their territory plus the land owners / tribe members gave permission to have this on the property so if anyone should be upset it should be the rest of their community for allowing their fellow members / tribal council as sell outs.

Just because something 70 miles away might affect you someday does not mean you have the right to violate laws as we have seen like they have been doing otherwise no one would ever be able to build anything.

Agreed, but water rights are a really big thing out west. Water is relatively scarce and the fauna tends to be rare, often endemic, and usually already threatened by development, pollution, water usage and exotic competitors.

Gotta love these quotes:

"Most civilians who’ve never served in a uniform are gutless worms who’ve never been in a fight in their life,” Wes Clark Jr. declares. “

"He served on active duty from 1992–1996 — “nothing dangerous,” he says."

"Clark Jr. may never have served in combat"

So we are gutless worms who have never been in a fight but he isn't because he served for a whole 4 years in a non-combat role? He could have washed clothes or did paperwork for 4 years for all we know but that qualifies him to make a statement like that? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from his service just his statement.

Not really the same thing. He served, which meant at any moment he could be whisked off to serve in a war zone or potential hot spot where indigents would seek to maim or kill him. For someone like myself who never served, that same fate would require a major war, a world war. It's not combat, true, but it's a totally different magnitude from the risk the rest of us take.

 

[John Connor]

Coal is still heavily used...

In the context of much of the way industry uses it, no.

 

[Kazukian]

The pipeline is crossing under a lake. Pretty sure any body of water that large is publicly owned as a navigable waterway.

I know pipelines have to cross stream drainage basins, otherwise they wouldn't be much use. But that crossing makes me nervous as hell. A leak deep under water would take a lot of time to isolate, shut down, and fix. It could devastate the local ecosystem.


Agreed, but water rights are a really big thing out west. Water is relatively scarce and the fauna tends to be rare, often endemic, and usually already threatened by development, pollution, water usage and exotic competitors.


Not really the same thing. He served, which meant at any moment he could be whisked off to serve in a war zone or potential hot spot where indigents would seek to maim or kill him. For someone like myself who never served, that same fate would require a major war, a world war. It's not combat, true, but it's a totally different magnitude from the risk the rest of us take.

I got my open water cert there, the ecosystem consists of 20 carp, there's no water shortage there either.

 

[buckshot24]

The pipeline is crossing under a lake. Pretty sure any body of water that large is publicly owned as a navigable waterway.

I know pipelines have to cross stream drainage basins, otherwise they wouldn't be much use. But that crossing makes me nervous as hell. A leak deep under water would take a lot of time to isolate, shut down, and fix. It could devastate the local ecosystem.

I was talking about the protesting.

 

[Darwin333]

Not really the same thing. He served, which meant at any moment he could be whisked off to serve in a war zone or potential hot spot where indigents would seek to maim or kill him. For someone like myself who never served, that same fate would require a major war, a world war. It's not combat, true, but it's a totally different magnitude from the risk the rest of us take.

I am not downplaying his service at all, simply his comment. To say "Most civilians who’ve never served in a uniform are gutless worms who’ve never been in a fight in their life,” when he was never in an actual fight in the military is a pretty bullshit statement. I can be shot tomorrow for my watch or wallet but not being shot/robbed doesn't entitle me to say that anyone who doesn't live in a city with a greater risk of being shot/robbed has never been in an actual fight. Hell depending on where this guy has lived, my life in NOLA could very well have been far more dangerous than his entire life including his military service. That doesn't take away from his service, just his bullshit statement.

 

[kage69]

Hell depending on where this guy has lived, my life in NOLA could very well have been far more dangerous than his entire life including his military service. That doesn't take away from his service, just his bullshit statement.

Entirely believable. Army used to send medics to NOLA hospitals to gain experience treating gun wounds, still might. The last 3 visits I made to NOLA all featured me witnessing assault of some kind.

It's a Detroit that never sees winter.

 

[kage69]

I got my open water cert there, the ecosystem consists of 20 carp, there's no water shortage there either.

Fresh water diver?

You poor thing.

 

[Kazukian]

Fresh water diver?

You poor thing.

LOL, the visibility was 8"

I made up for it with Mexico diving, flipping amazing...

 

[Kazukian]

http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/...rotest-camp-on-Army-Corps-land-403459616.html

ND Gov tells protestors to evacuate.

They're expecting a blizzard tomorrow, this should be interesting.

ND winters are harsh as hell, they're not going to force them out, but even emergency services are a bitch in the winter up there.

 

[JockoJohnson]

http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/...rotest-camp-on-Army-Corps-land-403459616.html

ND Gov tells protestors to evacuate.

They're expecting a blizzard tomorrow, this should be interesting.

ND winters are harsh as hell, they're not going to force them out, but even emergency services are a bitch in the winter up there.

So now they can shoot snow cannons at the protestors instead of water cannons. Then when they pile on enough snow, they can ski over top of the protestors.

 

[Thump553]

Trump personally owns stock in the pipeline company here. Don't worry he will order immediate resumption of construction within a day of being sworn in-in order to promote job growth, of course.

 

[Kazukian]

And let the winter games begin

http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/ipcams/372218242.html

 

[Homerboy]

And let the winter games begin

http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/ipcams/372218242.html

Good thing the pipeline isn't going through Bismark -- that's right, they voted against it citing possible water contamination and moved it further south

 

[Kazukian]

Good thing the pipeline isn't going through Bismark -- that's right, they voted against it citing possible water contamination and moved it further south

And then they spent 30 million dollars to source the tribe's water supply 70 miles away.

Maybe the water protectors will be ice protectors this winter.

 

[agent00f]

Quite revealing the same sort of people are still trying to Manifest Destiny.