Dakota Pipeline - Protestors Assaulted With Water Cannons In Freezing Weather

[Kazukian]

This world's true religion is money, not god or anything else they claim to believe in. Everything else comes a distant second.

We have politicians, such as Trump and others saying that America has massive energy reserves that we must "tap" into and exploit. They are saying these types of things to the masses and the masses believe that we are going to get cheap energy. So the politicians aren't totally to blame - they are playing the masses to their advantage. Both sides feed each other.

I don't know much about the Dakota pipeline issue but it sounds like another example of mankind's blind greed. The area they are going to develop this pipeline is full of life just like it has been for countless years. Unfortunately, modern man now has to intervene and ruin it for the sake of a few dollars. This is called progress. I guess progress = money. We need to remember this also: America and most of the world used to be healthy, beautiful and had relative harmony between nature and mankind. Now look at the landscape. We are building monstrosities such as these pipelines and fracking through virgin lands. There are consequences to such actions and we are paying for them or will pay for them.

Don't we have enough oil wells and other massive machinery looting the Earth on a daily basis? Why destroy more of the Earth? Oh right, money is at stake.

What we have is a true lack of respect. Both for mankind and for the Earth.

The planet runs on oil, cheap oil. A pipeline is the most economical and environmentally safe way to transport oil.

 

[raildogg]

The planet runs on oil, cheap oil. A pipeline is the most economical and environmentally safe way to transport oil.

You are just proving that for the sake of money, we are willing to do anything. And "environmentally safe" is just an empty catchphrase. Anything can be labeled that but it doesn't make it so.

The mega corporations of this world didn't get to amass such fortunes by caring for anyone or anything. Whether that be forests, oceans, animals or even people. Everything is moved aside so your "cheap oil" can be provided to you. Apparently, most people are OK with this so it will continue, unfortunately.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Just in case you need more information on these pipe line protests.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/06/the-protests-over-the-dakota-access-pipeline-explained/

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The Tribe Never Took Part In The Initial Consulting Process
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The Government Rerouted DAPL Several Times To Avoid Tribal Lands
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The Pipeline Does Not Cut Through Standing Rock’s Reservation
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Eminent Domain Was Never Used On The North Dakota Route

It's always good to be better informed

 

[Kazukian]

You are just proving that for the sake of money, we are willing to do anything. And "environmentally safe" is just an empty catchphrase. Anything can be labeled that but it doesn't make it so.

The mega corporations of this world didn't get to amass such fortunes by caring for anyone or anything. Whether that be forests, oceans, animals or even people. Everything is moved aside so your "cheap oil" can be provided to you. Apparently, most people are OK with this so it will continue, unfortunately.

To be honest, I'd love to see 100% renewable energy, we're just not there yet.

Another article, detailing how they tried to talk to the tribe. http://www.inforum.com/4158594-column-what-dakota-access-pipeline-protesters-arent-telling-you

'Protesters claim that the pipeline was "fast-tracked," denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River.

This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing's potential effect on historical artifacts and locations.

Protesters claim that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to consult tribal leaders as required by federal law. The record shows that the corps held 389 meetings with 55 tribes. Corps officials met many times with leaders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which initiated the lawsuit and the protests."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/14/dakota-access-pipeline-reservation-ranchers-strugg/

"An enrolled tribal member, Mrs. Fischer and her husband, Ernie, are convinced that at least 13 of their bison have been butchered, barbecued and eaten by some of the hundreds of activists trespassing through the livestock pastures of Cannonball Ranch since the protests erupted in August.

The North Dakota Stockmen’s Association has offered rewards for information on the rash of livestock depredations during the past two months, including butchered and burned cows and bison, horses and cows shot and killed, and at least 30 missing cattle"

Buffalo are difficult as hell to manage, the protests are really screwing up the herd. People will only take so much, protestors are going to get shot.

 

[Kazukian]

'There were actually several 1-pound propane canisters recovered from the site of the explosion by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). You’ll note that the more severely damaged of the two canisters, shown in two different angles in the second and third photos above, seem to have blood and tissue upon them."

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The claim of concussion grenades is false, they've never been used in the US, ever, and "flash bangs" can't do the damage done to her arm.

 

[Kazukian]

And ACoE gives a Dec 5 deadline, looks like it's nearly over.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/da...kota-pipeline-protesters-abandon-camp-n688476

Maybe the "water protectors" can stand around a stock tank and protect that water instead.

 

[KMFJD]

Seems like a more reasonable route, but then it would threaten Bismark's water supply right? We can't have that!

If the pipeline is vital and safe it should go through ANYBODY's area, not just those without political clout.

 

[michal1980]

Great bit of propaganda! Thanks.

everything that doesn't fit your predefined world viewed is propaganda.

How many locks are on that closed mind of yours?

 

[michal1980]

He had to go out of his way to find some completely unknown site, to justify his views. Can't trust the mainstream media, nuh-uh, we have to go to the fringe, alternative rebel media. They's the trut'.

The left can only get there news from liberals pre-approved networks. mainly ones that send their stories to the Clintons for prior review.

 

[Kazukian]

Seems like a more reasonable route, but then it would threaten Bismark's water supply right? We can't have that!

If the pipeline is vital and safe it should go through ANYBODY's area, not just those without political clout.

Standing Rock was given 30 million dollars to relocate their water source to 70 miles downstream from the pipeline, that project will be complete soon.

 

[Victorian Gray]

everything that doesn't fit your predefined world viewed is propaganda.

How many locks are on that closed mind of yours?

You always seem to be so confused

 

[Newbian]

Seems like a more reasonable route, but then it would threaten Bismark's water supply right? We can't have that!

If the pipeline is vital and safe it should go through ANYBODY's area, not just those without political clout.

Hmmm a small population could be at risk or the capital of a state with 70k+ people not to mention they can't simply switch the route when it's been laid out for years and land already purchased.

 

[michal1980]

You always seem to be so confused

I'm not. You however are so far in your own box you cant even see your hypocrisy.

 

[KMFJD]

Hmmm a small population could be at risk or the capital of a state with 70k+ people not to mention they can't simply switch the route when it's been laid out for years and land already purchased.

I thought it was safe and people had nothing to worry about, why would they choose the longer route then?

 

[Newbian]

I thought it was safe and people had nothing to worry about, why would they choose the longer route then?

Cost as land prices were probably cheaper and to minimize danger if something does happen.

And I am sure dozens of other reasons such as geography.

If they really wanted the shortest distance then they would had gone straight through a reservation or two but this didn't happen so also blame politics.

 

[Darwin333]

Hmmm a small population could be at risk or the capital of a state with 70k+ people not to mention they can't simply switch the route when it's been laid out for years and land already purchased.

As I understand it 95% of the entire pipeline is already complete. At this point, assuming what I read was true, I can't imagine that the protesters would win regardless of how right they are.

 

[Darwin333]

I thought it was safe and people had nothing to worry about, why would they choose the longer route then?

Do you believe that all oil and liquid gas pipelines are intrinsically unsafe and should be immediately shutdown?

 

[KMFJD]

Do you believe that all oil and liquid gas pipelines are intrinsically unsafe and should be immediately shutdown?

No, they are the safest and most economical way to move oil/gas that we currently have. So why take the much longer route?

 

[Sinsear]

I can't wait for cleanup day.

 

[Darwin333]

No, they are the safest and most economical way to move oil/gas that we currently have. So why take the much longer route?

I'm not sure, despite it being the safest way to move oil and gas there are still risks that you can mitigate with it's route. Of course there are all kinds of other reasons that could be at play too.

Regardless, with 95% of the pipeline completed the current route is here to stay and these protesters are just delaying the inevitable. They missed the "protest" boat a long time ago imho.

 

[JSt0rm]

The left can only get there news from liberals pre-approved networks. mainly ones that send their stories to the Clintons for prior review.

and the right gets their news from russia.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm not sure, despite it being the safest way to move oil and gas there are still risks that you can mitigate with it's route. Of course there are all kinds of other reasons that could be at play too.

Regardless, with 95% of the pipeline completed the current route is here to stay and these protesters are just delaying the inevitable. They missed the "protest" boat a long time ago imho.

The reason is Bismarck cited studies saying it would put their water supply at risk.

 

[Darwin333]

You are just proving that for the sake of money, we are willing to do anything. And "environmentally safe" is just an empty catchphrase. Anything can be labeled that but it doesn't make it so.

The mega corporations of this world didn't get to amass such fortunes by caring for anyone or anything. Whether that be forests, oceans, animals or even people. Everything is moved aside so your "cheap oil" can be provided to you. Apparently, most people are OK with this so it will continue, unfortunately.

So you would prefer that another country, probably one with much less environmental oversight, amass fortunes not caring for anyone or anything and then we purchase our oil from them and have it shipped over here...... to be distributed by pipeline and then the finished products be distributed by other pipelines? Do you have any idea the size and capacity of modern supertankers and the environmental impact from something catastrophic happening to one of them? Oh and some of those countries we are enriching don't particularly care for us and could use that money to fund things like terrorism. I think that since we are going to continue using at least as much oil, if not more, for the foreseeable future that it's smarter if we keep the money here. I'm not a huge fan of mega-corporations either but given the choice I'd rather give more of the share to a US mega-corporation, or at least one operating in the US and paying taxes and all that, than to a foreign corporation with no ties to the US at all. That's not even getting into the issue of economic security since our economy would be wild and truly fucked if certain countries decided to not sell us oil anymore or basically blackmail us. Let me ask you, do you honestly think that we'd be militarily involved in even a fraction of the middle east that we are now if our economy wasn't so dependent upon their oil? The answer is hell no, all kinds of hell has been happening in Africa for quite a while now and besides a few token efforts here and there we haven't had any major military efforts going on there. How many carrier battle groups have spent significant time supporting activities in Africa versus the Middle East over the last decade or two?

It seems like you should be focusing your energy on getting us to use less oil and not on us producing more oil.

 

[JSt0rm]

So you would prefer that another country, probably one with much less environmental oversight, amass fortunes not caring for anyone or anything and then we purchase our oil from them and have it shipped over here...... to be distributed by pipeline and then the finished products be distributed by other pipelines? Do you have any idea the size and capacity of modern supertankers and the environmental impact from something catastrophic happening to one of them? Oh and some of those countries we are enriching don't particularly care for us and could use that money to fund things like terrorism. I think that since we are going to continue using at least as much oil, if not more, for the foreseeable future that it's smarter if we keep the money here. I'm not a huge fan of mega-corporations either but given the choice I'd rather give more of the share to a US mega-corporation, or at least one operating in the US and paying taxes and all that, than to a foreign corporation with no ties to the US at all. That's not even getting into the issue of economic security since our economy would be wild and truly fucked if certain countries decided to not sell us oil anymore or basically blackmail us. Let me ask you, do you honestly think that we'd be militarily involved in even a fraction of the middle east that we are now if our economy wasn't so dependent upon their oil? The answer is hell no, all kinds of hell has been happening in Africa for quite a while now and besides a few token efforts here and there we haven't had any major military efforts going on there. How many carrier battle groups have spent significant time supporting activities in Africa versus the Middle East over the last decade or two?

It seems like you should be focusing your energy on getting us to use less oil and not on us producing more oil.

fuck yes I would...

Why wouldn't we leave all of our oil in the ground until the day comes when everyone else is used up?

 

[Darwin333]

The reason is Bismarck cited studies saying it would put their water supply at risk.

And there are many different reasons that one route could potentially endanger a water supply while another route would have a far less likelihood despite both being close to water supplies. The EPA and Corp of Engineers has in fact signed off on this and they have both been under the Obama administration for the last 8 years.

Do you think that we should shut down all existing pipelines that go near any water supply?