Dakota Pipeline - Protestors Assaulted With Water Cannons In Freezing Weather

[MajinCry]

It's rather telling; the use of weaponry that brutally maims and disfigures human beings, is considered to be perfectly acceptable and completely incapable, of maiming and disfiguring. Let's go on a quick wee tour of this "riot gear", shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests

As protests continued across Turkey, police use of tear gas and water cannons led to injuries running into thousands,[83] including critical injuries, loss of sight, and a number of deaths. Over three thousand arrests were made.[1] Police forces repeatedly used unnecessary and abusive force to prevent and disperse peaceful demonstrations.[362] As a result, it is estimated that there were 11 fatalities[58][59][60][61][62][63][64][65][363] (seven of whom were from the minority Alevi community)[364] and least at least 8,163 injuries [57] (at least 63 in serious or critical condition with at least 3 having a risk of death)[57]

What did the police 'n' such do in the Gezi Park protests? They used tear gas, rubber/plastic bullets and water cannons, which significantly maimed protestors.

What are the police 'n' such doing to the NDP protestors? Why, they're using tear gas, rubber/plastic bullets and water cannons, that are significantly maiming the protestors.


But 'ey, let's just assume that they're terrorists making explosives. Fuckin' hell.

 

[Kazukian]

It's rather telling; the use of weaponry that brutally maims and disfigures human beings, is considered to be perfectly acceptable and completely incapable, of maiming and disfiguring. Let's go on a quick wee tour of this "riot gear", shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests



What did the police 'n' such do in the Gezi Park protests? They used tear gas, rubber/plastic bullets and water cannons, which significantly maimed protestors.

What are the police 'n' such doing to the NDP protestors? Why, they're using tear gas, rubber/plastic bullets and water cannons, that are significantly maiming the protestors.


But 'ey, let's just assume that they're terrorists making explosives. Fuckin' hell.

And when the forensics come back to prove it was an IED? Do we get an apology from you?

 

[MajinCry]

And when the forensics come back to prove it was an IED? Do we get an apology from you?

You're already absolutely certain that the protestors are terrorists? Keep on keepin' on.

 

[Kazukian]

You're already absolutely certain that the protestors are terrorists? Keep on keepin' on.

I'm asking if you'll apologize if the forensics come back on the shrapnel comes back as an IED. With the potential liability & lawsuits, those pieces of shrapnel will be tested.

You won't even admit the possibility. You're a fool.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Aww how cute such a typical liberal turd you are.

Someone disagrees with me = guy is stupid. How many brain cells did that take you to come up with? Oh right liberals don't have any they just rage over everything. Why consider a different POV when its easier to just call everyone else stupid.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[brycejones]

Aww how cute such a typical liberal turd you are.

Someone disagrees with me = guy is stupid. How many brain cells did that take you to come up with? Oh right liberals don't have any they just rage over everything. Why consider a different POV when its easier to just call everyone else stupid.

LOL, michal1980 tried to make another joke.

Oh shit, he is serious. That makes it even more funny.

 

[buckshot24]

Because you can make almost anything illegal if you define it right. This protest started peacefully and then they attacked the protesters with dogs, when the protesters protected themselves they claimed the protesters are no longer being peaceful.

At what point do we just give up on freedom of speech if we just keep creating laws to prevent it?


There is no evidence of that either. You don't expect the police to just admit that they are using lethal force against peaceful protesters do you? As of right now we have two different stories, it will take time to find the truth.




Historically we have allowed a lot of leeway for protesters because we believe in the freedom of speech, especially highly political speech like protests. It is all to easy to suppress speech using laws intended to do other things.

Isn't this happening on private property? What should the police do? What should the developer of the project do? Just fold up?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Isn't this happening on private property? What should the police do? What should the developer of the project do? Just fold up?

No. The camps are on either Tribe owned land, where they have been invited to stay, or on federal land where they are allowed to protest. Protesters have entered onto land that is now owned by the ETP, but it was not owned by ETP at the time they entered the land (and the people that owned the land gave them permission to enter) and the protesters left when asked. ETP bought the land for the express reason to kick them off, and they left. Those arrested for trespass have filed a not guilty plea on the grounds that they were given permission to enter the land and left when asked, and they will win that case.

 

[Newbian]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/standing-rock-sioux-water-system-may-reduce-oil-185229942--finance.html

Standing Rock's water supply is 70 miles from the pipeline.

The only problem is the pipeline is outside of their territory plus the land owners / tribe members gave permission to have this on the property so if anyone should be upset it should be the rest of their community for allowing their fellow members / tribal council as sell outs.

Just because something 70 miles away might affect you someday does not mean you have the right to violate laws as we have seen like they have been doing otherwise no one would ever be able to build anything.

 

[skull]

Hell, I learned about it because it gained traction on Reddit.

It just goes to show how far America has come, really. In this thread we have posters saying that the Natives had it coming, that there's nothing wrong going on. White people's perceptions of the black man has come quite a long way since the 1900s, but the red man?

Hardly an inch, by the looks of it, if we're going to condone horrific brutality being done unto them.

Why does it always have to be about race? Theres a pipeline going in on the rich white side of town here, those cry babies are protesting too. I say stop whining you burn oil and it has to get to you some how.

 

[Newbian]

Why does it always have to be about race? Theres a pipeline going in on the rich white side of town here, those cry babies are protesting too. I say stop whining you burn oil and it has to get to you some how.

You need to realize some people will use anything they can to defend their actions.

Look what happened before with protesters when they placed women on the front lines and then complained about woman abuse when they got arrested.

 

[Darwin333]

http://www.businessinsider.com/veterans-deployment-standing-rock-protest-2016-11

Good read and hopefully they will bring some more mainstream media attention to this

Gotta love these quotes:

"Most civilians who’ve never served in a uniform are gutless worms who’ve never been in a fight in their life,” Wes Clark Jr. declares. “

"He served on active duty from 1992–1996 — “nothing dangerous,” he says."

"Clark Jr. may never have served in combat"

So we are gutless worms who have never been in a fight but he isn't because he served for a whole 4 years in a non-combat role? He could have washed clothes or did paperwork for 4 years for all we know but that qualifies him to make a statement like that? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from his service just his statement.

 

[Darwin333]

Because you can make almost anything illegal if you define it right. This protest started peacefully and then they attacked the protesters with dogs, when the protesters protected themselves they claimed the protesters are no longer being peaceful.

At what point do we just give up on freedom of speech if we just keep creating laws to prevent it?


There is no evidence of that either. You don't expect the police to just admit that they are using lethal force against peaceful protesters do you? As of right now we have two different stories, it will take time to find the truth.




Historically we have allowed a lot of leeway for protesters because we believe in the freedom of speech, especially highly political speech like protests. It is all to easy to suppress speech using laws intended to do other things.

Didn't the protesters light large fires, I think an overturned car or something, as well as trespass on private property? Once you start doing shit like setting things on fire I don't think you can call it a peaceful protest anymore. As far as the use of lethal force, while I definitely disagree with the use of the water cannon in freezing temps, I would think if the cops were using lethal force that there would be all kinds of proof and video of it.

 

[KMFJD]

Gotta love these quotes:

"Most civilians who’ve never served in a uniform are gutless worms who’ve never been in a fight in their life,” Wes Clark Jr. declares. “

"He served on active duty from 1992–1996 — “nothing dangerous,” he says."

"Clark Jr. may never have served in combat"

So we are gutless worms who have never been in a fight but he isn't because he served for a whole 4 years in a non-combat role? He could have washed clothes or did paperwork for 4 years for all we know but that qualifies him to make a statement like that? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from his service just his statement.

Yeah I agree, it's a stupid remark

 

[Darwin333]

No. The camps are on either Tribe owned land, where they have been invited to stay, or on federal land where they are allowed to protest. Protesters have entered onto land that is now owned by the ETP, but it was not owned by ETP at the time they entered the land (and the people that owned the land gave them permission to enter) and the protesters left when asked. ETP bought the land for the express reason to kick them off, and they left. Those arrested for trespass have filed a not guilty plea on the grounds that they were given permission to enter the land and left when asked, and they will win that case.

Well here is a quote from a planned protest on Dec. 3rd:

"The goal is to make it to the drilling pad and surround it, arm in arm. That will require making it through the line of guards, who have repelled other such attempts with a level of physical force Sioux tribal members and protesters have described as “excessive” — claims that recently prompted a United Nations investigation. Of course, that’s what the body armor and gas masks are for."

Clicking the UN investigation link and we get information like:

"Despite the 22 October arrests of more than 120 people, activists set up new camps on the sites where construction is planned, not far from the river that they fear could be contaminated by the pipeline."

and

"Young said she was particularly disturbed to hear police talk of shielding pipeline property from activists"

Doesn't sound like they haven't been trespassing to me and some of the groups have published their intent to trespass and force the police into a confrontation.

 

[MajinCry]

Why does it always have to be about race? Theres a pipeline going in on the rich white side of town here, those cry babies are protesting too. I say stop whining you burn oil and it has to get to you some how.

How many predominately white protestors have had dogs set upon them, tear gassed, tossed in cages, fired upon with water cannons, and otherwise brutalized, by Native security personnel, for protesting damage to the Environment?

None.

The reverse? Oh baby.

 

[Newbian]

Didn't the protesters light large fires, I think an overturned car or something, as well as trespass on private property? Once you start doing shit like setting things on fire I don't think you can call it a peaceful protest anymore. As far as the use of lethal force, while I definitely disagree with the use of the water cannon in freezing temps, I would think if the cops were using lethal force that there would be all kinds of proof and video of it.

Not to mention they have made homemade bombs and blew one of their own protesters arms nearly off.

 

[Newbian]

How many predominately white protestors have had dogs set upon them, tear gassed, tossed in cages, fired upon with water cannons, and otherwise brutalized, by Native security personnel, for protesting damage to the Environment?

None.

The reverse? Oh baby.

Groups of white people have been assaulted many times in the past for protests and the problem is some use a minority group to champion their cause like this when in fact it was their own council / fellow tribal members that allowed this to happen by allowing the land to be used like this and it's not only the one group that's protesting.

Guess what would had happen if they and non native-americans went on to tribal lands and protested their council as this would had been the case.

 

[Kazukian]

http://www.thv11.com/mb/news/local-sheriff-shares-testimony-from-north-dakota-experience/346183392

Nice write up from a visiting sheriff.

 

[Victorian Gray]

http://www.thv11.com/mb/news/local-sheriff-shares-testimony-from-north-dakota-experience/346183392

Nice write up from a visiting sheriff.

Great bit of propaganda! Thanks.

 

[MajinCry]

Great bit of propaganda! Thanks.

He had to go out of his way to find some completely unknown site, to justify his views. Can't trust the mainstream media, nuh-uh, we have to go to the fringe, alternative rebel media. They's the trut'.

 

[Victorian Gray]

He had to go out of his way to find some completely unknown site, to justify his views. Can't trust the mainstream media, nuh-uh, we have to go to the fringe, alternative rebel media. They's the trut'.

To be fair, it's a CBS station even if it is in Arkansas. I suspect that the link was in his daily propaganda feed.

 

[MajinCry]

To be fair, it's a CBS station even if it is in Arkansas. I suspect that the link was in his daily propaganda feed.

Oh, is it? My bad. I've seen CBS, CNN 'n' such come up when googling, and even that Vanity Fair offshoot The Daily Beast, but thv11? I guess you'd have to explicitly look for it.

 

[Kazukian]

Oh, is it? My bad. I've seen CBS, CNN 'n' such come up when googling, and even that Vanity Fair offshoot The Daily Beast, but thv11? I guess you'd have to explicitly look for it.

It was a link from my retired state senator uncle in ND from Facebook.

The author is the president of the National Sheriff's Association.

I browsed the Reddit sub about the NDAPL, it's full of half truths, no wonder you're so full of shit.

 

[raildogg]

This world's true religion is money, not god or anything else they claim to believe in. Everything else comes a distant second.

We have politicians, such as Trump and others saying that America has massive energy reserves that we must "tap" into and exploit. They are saying these types of things to the masses and the masses believe that we are going to get cheap energy. So the politicians aren't totally to blame - they are playing the masses to their advantage. Both sides feed each other.

I don't know much about the Dakota pipeline issue but it sounds like another example of mankind's blind greed. The area they are going to develop this pipeline is full of life just like it has been for countless years. Unfortunately, modern man now has to intervene and ruin it for the sake of a few dollars. This is called progress. I guess progress = money. We need to remember this also: America and most of the world used to be healthy, beautiful and had relative harmony between nature and mankind. Now look at the landscape. We are building monstrosities such as these pipelines and fracking through virgin lands. There are consequences to such actions and we are paying for them or will pay for them.

Don't we have enough oil wells and other massive machinery looting the Earth on a daily basis? Why destroy more of the Earth? Oh right, money is at stake.

What we have is a true lack of respect. Both for mankind and for the Earth.