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Dad calls cops on son, to teach him a "lesson" ..Cops shoot son dead

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TreVader said:
Both of those are because he was obviously raised by idiots who call the cops on people for buying cigarettes. Who knows what other ridiculous shit they taught him


And the cops are certainly not LEGALLY wrong to shoot him. They are IMO morally wrong for not doing more to try to preserve his life.
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Had the kid not be trying to take the police officers and others lives by actively using a vehicle as a potential weapon they would have been less likely to shoot him.

There are many hard lessons in life, it's too bad in many cases that young people act without thinking of the consequences and it results in the loss of their life.
 
Darwin333 said:
Theoretically you would be an idiot to get in front of or directly behind a running vehicle. You would be an even bigger idiot to get in front of or behind a running vehicle whose occupant has fled already. Therefore we can deduce that if any cop was actually in life threatening danger they were a freaking idiot.

On the other hand, cop probably didn't want his take home car all banged up, maybe he just waxed it?

In all seriousness, I can imagine a scenario that would make the shooting reasonably justified to sane and reasonable people but it sure doesn't appear that it went down that way at all. Hell the cops were even told to backoff on the audio recording because they were on a crowded campus.
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that was said by what sounded like another officer, not a CO

and that was said on the radio right after he left the roadway, and started to drive though the grass field. Im not sure how it would look if the cops just dropped pursuit at that point. once the guy starts doing that you have to kinda stop them or you look like you arent doing your job, IMO
 
Tom said:
Except my what if is based on reality, yours isn't.

The evidence shows it was a matter of luck no one was hurt or killed by the driver's actions. There's no evidence the police fired recklessly, or did anything reckless.
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So wait, firing 6 shots on a crowded campus with only 2 shots hitting your target and saying "what if one of those misses finds an innocent bystander" is not a what if based on reality????

Are these special bullets that automatically fall from the air if they miss their target or something?
 
Zargon said:
that was said by what sounded like another officer, not a CO

and that was said on the radio right after he left the roadway, and started to drive though the grass field. Im not sure how it would look if the cops just dropped pursuit at that point. once the guy starts doing that you have to kinda stop them or you look like you arent doing your job, IMO
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I don't know who said it but I never said they were ordered to. Personally I would have thought to do that before it got to that point. Well at least I hope I would but who knows in the middle of a chase.
 
Darwin333 said:
So wait, firing 6 shots on a crowded campus with only 2 shots hitting your target and saying "what if one of those misses finds an innocent bystander" is not a what if based on reality????

Are these special bullets that automatically fall from the air if they miss their target or something?
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That isn't what happened. The shooting took place in an apparently vacant field with the officers shooting into a vehicle, towards the engine block as far as we can tell, which stops bullets.

Consider the risk of that to allowing him to escape, and speed through town with obvious disregard for the possible consequences.

Even when the police backed off, as they did when the driver sped through traffic and campus.

For whatever reason the driver ended up in a field, and the police apparently decided that was a much safer place to put an end to the incident, rather than letting it continue back to a crowded area.

And when they exited their vehicle and drew weapons it's to convince the driver to stop. He decided to instead try to kill them.
 
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I was wary of the police handling of this until I watched the video. I cannot fault their conduct and if a lawsuit is brought by the family, it will be not survive summary judgment. I feel really bad for the father, who will live with this for the rest of his life.

This case is an example of why I think it's essential that police cars have cameras. Without video, it would be very easy to spin the facts of this incident against the officers, when in fact I think the video vindicates them more or less completely.
 
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Lesson to be learned from this?

Don't call the cops on your kid for petty family crap. Like others here I don't see any fault on the part of the cops. The result is horrifically bad but the kid ultimately left them with little in the way of options.
 
brycejones said:
Lesson to be learned from this?

Don't call the cops on your kid for petty family crap. Like others here I don't see any fault on the part of the cops. The result is horrifically bad but the kid ultimately left them with little in the way of options.
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Amen to that.

The reality is that some people, particularly young men, react very very negatively and stupidly to the police. If this kid had acted in a sane manner, this could have been handled by Sheriff Andy of Mayberry. Instead it turned into the totally needless death of a young man. Personally I feel bad for not only the father (who gets to spend the rest of his life second-guessing his own judgment in calling the police), but the officers who killed this kid - they were just doing their jobs.
 
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I'm usually first in line to criticize cops, but it sounds like this kid was violently unstable. What kind of person rams police cars instead of pulling over?
 
BoberFett said:
I'm usually first in line to criticize cops, but it sounds like this kid was violently unstable. What kind of person rams police cars instead of pulling over?
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It's hard to understand what he was thinking. It would be interesting to have a toxicology test done.

It's possible he was very afraid of his father's reaction to his being arrested or that he was in some way mentally ill, but it's also quite possible this was just a series of stupid decisions by a young man. It may be that he just freaked out (for no good reason), and went into fight-or-flight mode. Once he had initially backed up into the police car, it was game on and clearly he was not going to stop voluntarily. Personally I think the officers were not just warranted in using deadly force, that was probably their only reasonable course of action given what happened in the moments immediately before they shot him.
 
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Kid just flipped out imo. They said in the article he'd been going through a rough time sleeping wherever he could. Says a lot about his family that he's sleeping house to house while being 19 years old. Dad is probably a total ass and was using the truck as another means to treat kid like crap. Kid says f it and takes truck anyways. Next thing he knows he's got the cops on him and he already has the weight of the world on his shoulders and his own family is trying to send him to jail. Kid snaps..
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Had the kid not be trying to take the police officers and others lives by actively using a vehicle as a potential weapon they would have been less likely to shoot him.

There are many hard lessons in life, it's too bad in many cases that young people act without thinking of the consequences and it results in the loss of their life.
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So the kid called you during this chase and gave you his intentions? Or did he write a note saying "I'm gonna get chased by the cops, then kill people with my car?"


You're retarded. You saying that kid wanted to kill people is the EXACT same thing as saying "If that cop wasn't trying to shoot kids in the face, maybe he wouldn't be under suspicion for MURDER!"
 
Tom said:
I believe you posted before the raw video was posted, so you deserve the benefit of the doubt.

But if you can watch it and still maintain the police did anything improper you're not being realistic.

And if it was 4wd, which I think it is, it would be necessary to shoot out all four tires and that still wouldn't necessarily render it harmless.
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Granted. The article said the truck had stopped, which was what was getting me. Thought that implied it had been disabled. Given that the moron was still actively ramming them, yeah, it's a legit shoot.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Kid just flipped out imo. They said in the article he'd been going through a rough time sleeping wherever he could. Says a lot about his family that he's sleeping house to house while being 19 years old. Dad is probably a total ass and was using the truck as another means to treat kid like crap. Kid says f it and takes truck anyways. Next thing he knows he's got the cops on him and he already has the weight of the world on his shoulders and his own family is trying to send him to jail. Kid snaps..
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Exactly. Parents are the MAIN issue here.
 
dank69 said:
Tone down the rhetoric please. Incorruptible doesn't like it.
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This was a failure of big government and a cop who was out of control. This isn't the first time a cop has done this though.

brycejones said:
Stop following incorruptible around P&N he doesn't like it. If you respond to his posts you are "following him".
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You and a certain other poster were consistently following me around to attack me in multiple threads.
 
TreVader said:
So the kid called you during this chase and gave you his intentions? Or did he write a note saying "I'm gonna get chased by the cops, then kill people with my car?"


You're retarded. You saying that kid wanted to kill people is the EXACT same thing as saying "If that cop wasn't trying to shoot kids in the face, maybe he wouldn't be under suspicion for MURDER!"
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Obviously you didn't watch the video.
 
Like others, I was ready to jump on the cops. Those dash cam videos are really a must watch.


Side note. As soon as I saw that rock in the second police car vid I knew he was going to drive up onto it and get stuck ... sure enough. 😛
 
Was actually kinda fun to queue up the 2 dash cam vids so they were basically synced. 1st pursuit car vid is like ~25-26s ahead of the 2nd.
 
Saw the vid. Based on that alone it's hard to say, I'd err on the side of [somewhat] unjustified because the cops were voluntarily getting out of their cars and I don't see what was off to the side.

That said, at the 1:40 mark this little fuck shoots through a traffic light at high way speeds. He came VERY close to killing people there. It was unbelievably reckless. The cops saw this, he obviously was a threat to public safety, I'm just surprised their little bumper cars game couldn't have eventually stopped the truck.

There are better people who've been shot by cops than this kid. His driving was absolutely insane.
 
Theb said:
Everyone talks about the dangers of smoking, but no one talks about the dangers of not smoking.
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Great, now I'm going to hell for laughing at that!

Zargon said:
yeah wow


truck was hardly sitting

3 seconds MAX maybe between him ramming the cop car and shots being fired into the truck.
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Haven't (and won't) watched the video, but that certainly seems reasonable. Still sad.
 
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