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Dad calls cops on son, to teach him a "lesson" ..Cops shoot son dead

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Matt1970 said:
The kid rammed the cop car first. 99.9999999% of the time it's not the cops escalating the situation. Police don't typically ram you if you pull over when you see their lights. I particularly do not approve of any department not willing to do what it takes to stop people in pursuits especially ones that don't even allow pursuits. It actually encourages more people to run from cops and increases the danger.
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The best way to not get shot by the cops is usually to not run from or attack them after all. It's unfortunate this kid had to get killed. He was just a dumb kid. We were all that dumb when we were kids ... ok, maybe not that dumb, but we were all pretty stupid. But perhaps the father should introspect on how he failed his son both by raising him in such a way and by feeling the need to resort to the police to punish his child instead of doing it himself. The officers did what was honestly right in that situation as they have to protect themselves and the public.
 
thraashman said:
The best way to not get shot by the cops is usually to not run from or attack them after all. It's unfortunate this kid had to get killed. He was just a dumb kid. We were all that dumb when we were kids ... ok, maybe not that dumb, but we were all pretty stupid. But perhaps the father should introspect on how he failed his son both by raising him in such a way and by feeling the need to resort to the police to punish his child instead of doing it himself. The officers did what was honestly right in that situation as they have to protect themselves and the public.
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Exactly. It's not rocket science. Maybe not every cop would have fired in that situation but his life was certainly at risk and that kid had so, so, so many opportunities to defuse that situation.
 
I wonder what people would have said if the person hit and killed someone? At the 3 minute mark in the video on the news site and almost hits a person. You can seem them running away. And the Youtube video only adds to the shooting being justified.
 
Moral of this story : Don't entrust your family to the police (or any part of Gov't for that matter). The days of calling a 'friendly' police officer to help teach your kid a lesson are long gone.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201302/criminals-who-become-cops

"The point is that some criminals are attracted to what they perceive as “high voltage” occupations. Serving as police officers provides a cover to do as they choose, misusing their positions of authority. They become overly confident and eventually slip up."
 
shady28 said:
Moral of this story : Don't entrust your family to the police (or any part of Gov't for that matter). The days of calling a 'friendly' police officer to help teach your kid a lesson are long gone.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201302/criminals-who-become-cops

"The point is that some criminals are attracted to what they perceive as “high voltage” occupations. Serving as police officers provides a cover to do as they choose, misusing their positions of authority. They become overly confident and eventually slip up."
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Not sure what the point of this post is. These officers only killed this kid because he left them no real choice.
 
This reminded me of something far worse. Article has a video of a security cam, the officers lied on their police report :

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/10/cardan_sencer_officer_who_shot.php

"Joyce Jackson called the police on her 53-year-old son on October 14 because she was afraid he would hurt himself. Her son, Bobby Bennett, is bipolar and schizophrenic."

"The police charged Bennett with aggravated assault and accused him of aggressively approaching them with a knife. But a surveillance video, captured by neighbor Maurice Bunch and leaked to the media, appeared to vindicate Bennett. Last week, Brown announced that he was dropping Bennett's aggravated assault charges."

"Bunch actually showed the video to the police before leaking it to the media. Brown said that the DPD pursued charges against the victim even after seeing the video because the police report, which was written by Watson, "overrode" the video."
 
shady28 said:
This reminded me of something far worse. Article has a video of a security cam, the officers lied on their police report :

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/10/cardan_sencer_officer_who_shot.php

"Joyce Jackson called the police on her 53-year-old son on October 14 because she was afraid he would hurt himself. Her son, Bobby Bennett, is bipolar and schizophrenic."

"The police charged Bennett with aggravated assault and accused him of aggressively approaching them with a knife. But a surveillance video, captured by neighbor Maurice Bunch and leaked to the media, appeared to vindicate Bennett. Last week, Brown announced that he was dropping Bennett's aggravated assault charges."

"Bunch actually showed the video to the police before leaking it to the media. Brown said that the DPD pursued charges against the victim even after seeing the video because the police report, which was written by Watson, "overrode" the video."
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Yes, that is a horrible case, and the shooter should be prosecuted. Has nothing to do with this incident, however.
 
shady28 said:
Moral of this story : Don't entrust your family to the police (or any part of Gov't for that matter). The days of calling a 'friendly' police officer to help teach your kid a lesson are long gone.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201302/criminals-who-become-cops

"The point is that some criminals are attracted to what they perceive as “high voltage” occupations. Serving as police officers provides a cover to do as they choose, misusing their positions of authority. They become overly confident and eventually slip up."
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Sure it is when the police come to talk to your kid and the kid tries to run over the police. I am not sure I want to be here the day people think we have the right to run over anyone, much less the police.

Dear Mr. Police officer, come talk to my kid for me, but if he happens to endanger your lives will you please just back off and go away?
 
I would have popped this little twerp too. This is the first time I agree with the cops. One less POS taking up air. Good riddens.
 
irishScott said:
As others have suggested, they could have shot out a tire or two. The thing was stopped after all, and truck tires are hardly small targets.

I don't have much sympathy for the kid, but cops seem to have far too liberal a license to kill.
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What exactly will shooting the tires out accomplish when the car is already at a stop? You can still drive and hit someone with a flat.

After a pursuit, you better comply with the cops. The cops don't know what they're dealing with so of course they will error on the side of their safety.
 
Here's another incident that's similar with the exception of the outcome. The big difference is the 12 year old didn't try to run over any police officers.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/b...hase/-/1735978/22924072/-/1hq7ts/-/index.html

Boy, 12, leads police on high-speed chase

Deputies said with the 12-year-old behind the wheel, the chase reached speeds up to 80 miles per hour.

The chase ended in a parking lot after the white convertible Mustang blew a tire. The 12-year-old's father said for now jail may be the best place for his son.

"I hope he get (sic) better there," said Hernandez. "Maybe he change you know, can be better."
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OverVolt said:
Theoretically the car is considered a deadly weapon so threatening the police by revving the engine when they have you surrounded justified the shooting legally.

Again what were the parents thinking by reporting the truck "stolen" by their own son.
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Don't you get it? A lot of people totally trust the cops and think that they are their benevolent guardians. Are you from the hood or something and don't understand suburbia's perception of the cops?
 
BoberFett said:
"Liberals" have been doing their best to ensure that parents are not allowed to discipline their children physically.
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Who is still looking to do that in this day and age? The science is pretty clear in showing that it leads to a worse prognosis for the kids, who are more disposed to being violent and dishonest as compared to kids who are not physically punished. I was spanked as a kid but I would never do that to my own kids.
 
shady28 said:
Moral of this story : Don't entrust your family to the police (or any part of Gov't for that matter). The days of calling a 'friendly' police officer to help teach your kid a lesson are long gone.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201302/criminals-who-become-cops

"The point is that some criminals are attracted to what they perceive as “high voltage” occupations. Serving as police officers provides a cover to do as they choose, misusing their positions of authority. They become overly confident and eventually slip up."
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This is an excellent post.
 
So I'm driving down the street minding my own business and behind me some warning lights come on indicating I should pull over but I don't. I continue driving down the street watching speed limits, pedestrians etc. The officer is incensed at this point. I failed to stop when his threat lights came on. He now rams my vehicle into a ditch in order to stop me. Since it has been claimed and accepted that a moving vehicle is a deadly weapon, it would be no stretch to claim that I was pulled over by deadly force. Would I then be right in firing my gun at the officer and killing him in self defense since he was so intent on taking my life with his rolling weapon? If not, why?
 
NoStateofMind said:
So I'm driving down the street minding my own business and behind me some warning lights come on indicating I should pull over but I don't. I continue driving down the street watching speed limits, pedestrians etc. The officer is incensed at this point. I failed to stop when his threat lights came on. He now rams my vehicle into a ditch in order to stop me. Since it has been claimed and accepted that a moving vehicle is a deadly weapon, it would be no stretch to claim that I was pulled over by deadly force. Would I then be right in firing my gun at the officer and killing him in self defense since he was so intent on taking my life with his rolling weapon? If not, why?
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Try it and let us know how it works out for you.
 
NoStateofMind said:
So I'm driving down the street minding my own business and behind me some warning lights come on indicating I should pull over but I don't. I continue driving down the street watching speed limits, pedestrians etc. The officer is incensed at this point. I failed to stop when his threat lights came on. He now rams my vehicle into a ditch in order to stop me. Since it has been claimed and accepted that a moving vehicle is a deadly weapon, it would be no stretch to claim that I was pulled over by deadly force. Would I then be right in firing my gun at the officer and killing him in self defense since he was so intent on taking my life with his rolling weapon? If not, why?
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Let me get this straight, you feel that a police officer using the pit manuver to stop you due to your failure to stop gives you the right to self defense. If you were successful with shooting and killing the police officer you would never see freedom the rest of you life. Then again you could finally live in your utopia world you want so badly, though it would be in a prison cell.
 
NoStateofMind said:
So I'm driving down the street minding my own business and behind me some warning lights come on indicating I should pull over but I don't. I continue driving down the street watching speed limits, pedestrians etc. The officer is incensed at this point. I failed to stop when his threat lights came on. He now rams my vehicle into a ditch in order to stop me. Since it has been claimed and accepted that a moving vehicle is a deadly weapon, it would be no stretch to claim that I was pulled over by deadly force. Would I then be right in firing my gun at the officer and killing him in self defense since he was so intent on taking my life with his rolling weapon? If not, why?
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You really are a total anarchist tool that resists authority just for the sake of resisting authority. What if the cop simply wants to let you know something is wrong with your car? Like letting you know you have a tail light out?

When you run from the cops for no apparent reason you are either 1) stupid or 2) done something very wrong.
 
NoStateofMind said:
So I'm driving down the street minding my own business and behind me some warning lights come on indicating I should pull over but I don't. I continue driving down the street watching speed limits, pedestrians etc. The officer is incensed at this point. I failed to stop when his threat lights came on. He now rams my vehicle into a ditch in order to stop me. Since it has been claimed and accepted that a moving vehicle is a deadly weapon, it would be no stretch to claim that I was pulled over by deadly force. Would I then be right in firing my gun at the officer and killing him in self defense since he was so intent on taking my life with his rolling weapon? If not, why?
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Why wouldn't you pull over?
 
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