Alright, I guess I'm going with PCIe now, for future upgrades. I definitely need 939 Socket board for upgrades as well. Can anyone come up with a good computer that's right around $1600. I liked that previous computer that was posted, but I'm definitely going to need to get the correct parts for a excellent gaming rig, since I have the available budget. I'm going to be checking www.tigerdeals.com, www.newegg.com, www.zipzoomfly.com, etc. to find good deals on some nice hardware. I would prefer to have a good warranty on the parts though, in case something were to happen. I'm seriously leaning towards the X850 XT PE card, as I have checked out some of the statistics and it looks pretty damn amazing, sometimes way better than the 6800 Ultra. I also would like to see some good cases that don't have PSUs standard with them. Money is no object, as long as it's within my $1600 budget.
Edit: How does this bad boy look? Now that's a case...
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-107&depa=1
Edit: How does this bad boy look? Now that's a case...
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-107&depa=1
Okay, here are a couple of the parts that I'm thinking of putting in my computer.
Case: $59 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-107&depa=1
Video Card: $600 http://store.pcpowerzone.com/saati8525pc2.html
Processor: $190 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-502&DEPA=1
PSU: $85.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-163-105&depa=1
Memory: $94.67 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-480&depa=1
HD: $133 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-144-327&DEPA=1
DVD/CD: $52 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-035&depa=1
Floppy: $10.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=21-104-101&depa=1
Motherboard: $143 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246486
So how does this look? Okay? I will be tweaking it a bit still, this is just a first run through.
BTW: Total comes to $1367.67.
Case: $59 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-107&depa=1
Video Card: $600 http://store.pcpowerzone.com/saati8525pc2.html
Processor: $190 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-502&DEPA=1
PSU: $85.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-163-105&depa=1
Memory: $94.67 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-480&depa=1
HD: $133 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-144-327&DEPA=1
DVD/CD: $52 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-035&depa=1
Floppy: $10.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=21-104-101&depa=1
Motherboard: $143 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246486
So how does this look? Okay? I will be tweaking it a bit still, this is just a first run through.
BTW: Total comes to $1367.67.
For a case I would go with a Lian Li.
Also you may want to check the reseller rating on the video card vendor, I've never heard of them. Plus it being bulk lends me to believe that it is probably not the retail package, meaning no manufacturer's warrranty (most likely 90 day) which is pretty small for the most expensive piece of hardware in your computer.
And if you are getting non overclocking memory, go with Corsair (Value Select).
Also you may want to check the reseller rating on the video card vendor, I've never heard of them. Plus it being bulk lends me to believe that it is probably not the retail package, meaning no manufacturer's warrranty (most likely 90 day) which is pretty small for the most expensive piece of hardware in your computer.
And if you are getting non overclocking memory, go with Corsair (Value Select).
Alright, so I switched to a Corsair Value RAM kit back on my previous post. I need to find a motherboard though, any suggestions? I was also wondering what consensus there is for a motherboard? What is one that is PCIe without having SLI. I'm just looking for a nice gaming or all around motherboard.
Also, should I have a Combo DVD/CD drive and then a straight up DVD drive? Is that a smart thing to do or a waste of money? Remember, I probably won't be doing any overclocking. I also was wondering about the OEM versions of things, what disadvantages do they have for hard drives, video cards, memory, etc.
Also, should I have a Combo DVD/CD drive and then a straight up DVD drive? Is that a smart thing to do or a waste of money? Remember, I probably won't be doing any overclocking. I also was wondering about the OEM versions of things, what disadvantages do they have for hard drives, video cards, memory, etc.
Socket 939, single PCIe, great motherboard = DFI Ultra-D. I think there is an Ultra-DR also that has more SATA sockets.
The whole dual optical drive thing is really a matter of preference, sometimes a single drive can rip better but most of the new all in ones can pretty much do everything. I don't think many people do to many disc to disc transfers and if you are worried about over taxing one drive; they aren't that expensive to replace. Then again they aren't that expensive to have two.
As for OEM. I would never buy a CPU or video card OEM. I know for a fact that OEM CPUs only have 30-90 day warranties vs. the 3 year boxed. The price difference is not enough. I am not sure how warranties work on video cards that are OEM but I think it is the same way. But I prefer a retail boxed version myself when I am buying something so expensive. Hard drives are ok to buy OEM as the manufacturer's warranty still applies, as does most memory.
Chances are that I will be doing some forms of disk to disc transfers. It's a serious possibility, but I can always grab another optical drive after I get my computer.
Also, would the 3500+ be a better CPU? Is it much faster than the 3200+? Could I possibly overclock my 3200+ to become a 3500+? What are the risks in overclocking too much? Would I void my warranty if I overclock at all, or just to a certain extent? Will the CPU be just like a 3500+ or will it be different? What happens to games if you've overclocked it too high? Artifacts? Tearing? Apocalypse?
Also, would the 3500+ be a better CPU? Is it much faster than the 3200+? Could I possibly overclock my 3200+ to become a 3500+? What are the risks in overclocking too much? Would I void my warranty if I overclock at all, or just to a certain extent? Will the CPU be just like a 3500+ or will it be different? What happens to games if you've overclocked it too high? Artifacts? Tearing? Apocalypse?
If it's in your budget, I'd go with the 3500. Also I would recommend an additional optical drive, like the one posted in my sig. It's a mad ripper!! (modified firmware of course) It rips a whole lot faster than my NEC
Buying a 3000+ and OCing it is a ridiculously better value than a 3500+, warranty or no. You can buy TWO 3000+s and fry one for the same price as a 3500+, not that frying one is very likely. 3500+ is a poor value, unless you have the money to blow.
If I pay for two 3000+ and OC them to 3500+ for the same price as a 3500+...wouldn't it make more sense to just buy the 3500+ right now and save myself the hassle? I would also rather keep the warranty and forego overclocking.
Also, I was wondering about sound. What would be a good type of sound card for this motherboard? An Audigy or something?
Also, I was wondering about sound. What would be a good type of sound card for this motherboard? An Audigy or something?
Your not going to fry anything if you don't put your Voltage over 1.55. If it dies in 3 years, well you'd upgrade by then anyway
Before you blow $600 on your video card, take a look at this one. The Sapphire X850XT at ZZF is 460ish, much less than the one you quoted. Also, I have not heard of "pcpowerzone".
The clock and memory speeds of the X850XT versus the X850XTPE is 20 Mhz on the core and 50(100DDR) on the memory. The former is within one or two percentage points of the latter.
The clock and memory speeds of the X850XT versus the X850XTPE is 20 Mhz on the core and 50(100DDR) on the memory. The former is within one or two percentage points of the latter.
You know what, you're absolutely right, instead of the X850XT PE, I'll go for just the X850XT. I'll then use the extra money for a processor upgrade instead...
Case: $59 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-107&depa=1
Video Card: $479 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=320835
Processor: $190 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-502&DEPA=1
PSU: $101 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-151-023&depa=1*Edited* Memory: $108.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1
HD: $133 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-144-327&DEPA=1
DVD/CD: $52 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-035&depa=1
Floppy: $10.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=21-104-101&depa=1
Motherboard: $137 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-136-152&depa=1
*Added* Sound Card: $70 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=29-102-178&depa=0
Comes out to $1339.50. Keep these coming, I'll have my dream computer in no time.
It's looking really good.
One thing to keep in mind about the CPU you chose is that it is the older core (Clawhammer) at the .13 micron process. The newer core is Winchester (.09 micron). Then there are going to be new Venice cores coming out very soon w/improved memory controllers and SSE3 instruction sets. You will pay a little more for the newer cores but they may only be good for overclocking and if you wish to have a cooler system as they tend to run at a lower temp due to the improved manufacturing process. The Venice core may be your best bet as it also offers more features, however, it will most likely cost a bit more, and I am not sure if they are going to make a 3500+ based off of it. I believe I have seen 3200+ and 3800+ ratings so far but have yet to hear of the 3500+. So you may want to wait a few weeks (I know it may be difficult) just to see how things play out.
One thing to keep in mind about the CPU you chose is that it is the older core (Clawhammer) at the .13 micron process. The newer core is Winchester (.09 micron). Then there are going to be new Venice cores coming out very soon w/improved memory controllers and SSE3 instruction sets. You will pay a little more for the newer cores but they may only be good for overclocking and if you wish to have a cooler system as they tend to run at a lower temp due to the improved manufacturing process. The Venice core may be your best bet as it also offers more features, however, it will most likely cost a bit more, and I am not sure if they are going to make a 3500+ based off of it. I believe I have seen 3200+ and 3800+ ratings so far but have yet to hear of the 3500+. So you may want to wait a few weeks (I know it may be difficult) just to see how things play out.
Hm, got anyone sources or links on the Venice, such as when it comes out? I may have to wait for them...
BTW: I also noticed that I can't find a Winchester core on any of the stores...is it out yet, or do I need to wait for it?
Whoa, I just found this a minute ago, what do you guys think? Since I'm getting a 3500+, I can get a pretty good rebate on some good RAM? If you think I should go for it, which one would be best? http://www.newegg.com/promo/amdocz/index.asp
BTW: I also noticed that I can't find a Winchester core on any of the stores...is it out yet, or do I need to wait for it?
Whoa, I just found this a minute ago, what do you guys think? Since I'm getting a 3500+, I can get a pretty good rebate on some good RAM? If you think I should go for it, which one would be best? http://www.newegg.com/promo/amdocz/index.asp
Well I found the Winchester at zipzoomfly but it is not in stock, and it is not available anymore in the retail packaging at newegg. This lends me to believe that they are phasing them out and replacing them with the Venice.
Some Venice reading:
X-bit Labs - Review
HardForum Thread - Tons of Info
XtremeSystems - Overclocking Potential
Buying a 3500 isn't the best idea anyway. The Mhz jump for the $ jump is terrible.
If you want to overclock, and are getting a DFI Ultra, I already told you the best RAM is TwinMOS
If you want to overclock, and are getting a DFI Ultra, I already told you the best RAM is TwinMOS
Alright, after looking through a couple of comparisons, you were right, so I've switched back to a 3200+, paying an extra $60-80 on a few extra frames isn't the smartest choice. Where could I find some reviews or comparisons of TwinMOSs RAMs
Case: $59 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-107&depa=1
Video Card: $479 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=320835
Processor: $190 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-502&DEPA=1
PSU: $101 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-151-023&depa=1*Edited* Memory: $108.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1
HD: $133 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-144-327&DEPA=1
DVD/CD: $52 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-035&depa=1
Floppy: $10.50 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=21-104-101&depa=1
Motherboard: $137 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-136-152&depa=1
*Added* Sound Card: $70 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=29-102-178&depa=0
I'm also thinking about a different case, I've looked up close to that one and realized it isn't anywhere near the kind of case I want. I checked out the Lian Li, but it wasn't my type of case either. I did find a case similar to it, my type of case, but it had a built in 450W powersupply although it did have 120mm fans.
BTW: $1339.50 is the price now.
Thread about TwinMOS
What didn't you like about the SLK3000B in the first list i made you? Its very nice. photos. One of the quietest cases made. Nice heavy steel, 120mm fan, good ventilation scheme, and grommets on the HDD cage.
I see you went with the zipzoomfly card I mentioned earlier. Your $10 off on the price though
What didn't you like about the SLK3000B in the first list i made you? Its very nice. photos. One of the quietest cases made. Nice heavy steel, 120mm fan, good ventilation scheme, and grommets on the HDD cage.
I see you went with the zipzoomfly card I mentioned earlier. Your $10 off on the price though
Hm, it doesn't look like that bad as a case now that I think about it. Grommets are a definite must for any computer case. It's sleek and pretty durable looking too, does it come in any colors though? Maybe blue or something? Not beige, though...god I hate beige so much...
I will admit that it looks an overall excellent case. How much does it cost and where is it?
I just cannot wait to overclock my hard drive though...gotta squeeze out those extra RPMs!
I will admit that it looks an overall excellent case. How much does it cost and where is it?
I just cannot wait to overclock my hard drive though...gotta squeeze out those extra RPMs!
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Thread about TwinMOS
What didn't you like about the SLK3000B in the first list i made you? Its very nice. photos. One of the quietest cases made. Nice heavy steel, 120mm fan, good ventilation scheme, and grommets on the HDD cage.
I see you went with the zipzoomfly card I mentioned earlier. Your $10 off on the price though
edit: fyi oc'ing is suppose to shorthen the life span of parts. (if i am incorrect someone will let me know, (i am sure). I believe this is your first build and i dont want to discourage you. just wanted to be sure you knew/know that.)
gl
what no window for pretty lites!!! ahhh ribbon13!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shocked:
(j/king) yea maybe that 50 bucks you saved you can toss toward a nicer/better case.
Overclocking may shorten the lifespan on ICs, but their lifespan will still be much longer than he'll be keeping them.
As for windows/colors on cases, that's really a matter of preference. Maybe you can find one you like
As for windows/colors on cases, that's really a matter of preference. Maybe you can find one you like
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