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akugami

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I build computers for friends and colleagues for the price of dinner. I do support for them too. But that's for my friends and stuff.

The price they are charging you for not even top quality parts is rediculously high. I know you want piece of mind but any quality place you order it from will RMA products within 30 days of purchase if it goes bad and usually manufactorer's warranties are 1-3 years.

Seagate HD's are 5 years on OEM drives, bonus! In fact, unless you're getting a Raptor, I'd stay away from WD drives, I'd get Seagate HD's. The longer warranty should tip you off on the quality of their drives and the confidence they have in them during a time when most manufactorers are lowering the length of their warranties. I'd stay away from Maxtors. I have them in a Raid5 server and the fookers keep failing on me.

That RAM you have listed is unknown. That should send a warning flag to you right now. RAM prices are so cheap now that you can get them from name brand suppliers like Corsair, Mushkin, Kingston (among others) for $90-$110 for a 1GB kit.

I dunno if that shop you were getting it from is charging more for PCI-E motherboards and video cars but if you were to shop online for parts, the costs for PCI-E video cards are within $10-20 of AGP cards. I'd have to say get a nForce4 based motherboard and go PCI-E. The X800XL is a very nice card and is close enough to a 6800GT that it won't matter much in most games unless you're thinking of playing in high quality modes at 1600x1200 resolutions. It's also cheaper than the 6800GT but that money would be spent getting a much better motherboard that will be more future proof.

A PCI-E based Socket 939 motherboard would support dual core chips if you ever go that route and it will support any and all video cards that come out in at least the next 5 years.

NEC 3520A DVD burner.
 

AtaruMoroboshi18

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That isn't half bad, wow. Is building a computer hard to do, or what? I might be tempted to start building a computer myself if the price is so low...also what type of warranties would those parts posess? What if something happens to those parts when I'm building a computer? Will I be SOL or something? Or can I take them back for a replacement?
 

ribbon13

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Seasonic has a 3yr warranty

Retail AMD cpus have 3yr warranty
Memory has a lifetime warranty

Seagate has a 5year warranty
NEC burner has a 1year warranty
Sapphire OEM is a 30 day warranty (not so sure about this)

Depends, if it's your fault you could RMA it, but that is unethical. I'd build it for you if you want.
 

imported_X

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Personally, I don't think the performance difference between the X850XT and the X850XT PE justifies the extra cost of $150. Your call though...either card will blow away the 6800 GT you were considering.
 

beany323

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Originally posted by: AtaruMoroboshi18

That isn't half bad, wow. Is building a computer hard to do, or what? I might be tempted to start building a computer myself if the price is so low...also what type of warranties would those parts posess? What if something happens to those parts when I'm building a computer? Will I be SOL or something? Or can I take them back for a replacement?

hehe.. another one coming to the dark side.. come, come to the light!!!
closer..........closer............closer!!!

(you can do it.. if you can read and have semi-mechanical mind that helps. Dont be in a rush the first time you do it.. and try to have a pc that you can log onto to ask for help, and people in here are more then willing to help out.. heck worse case is try it yourself, you learn about a computer and how they run. Your knowledge will grow in leaps and bounds !! And you have someone nearby you who (for the price of a happy meal will help you out, hell what more could you ask for!!)

good luck and welcome to the Darkside. Please place your seat in the upright position and enjoy the ride!!! :shocked:

 

beany323

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there may be some chance someone here maybe... :p
But we don't want to go there!

(lol!)

read,read,read and ask allot of questions.. there are numerous links located here and on the web that will show you step by step of what you need to do. Look at other builds and see what advise they are given. You can do it!!

good luck, grasshopper!
 

AtaruMoroboshi18

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Question, I've heard some pretty bad things about Sapphire and was wondering if they were a worthwhile company to buy from? I heard something about they don't honor warranties or something.
 

ribbon13

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Well, if you get the X850 XT from zipzoomfly, they are the warranty provider. (See above)

I love Sapphire. I get prerelease stuff from them often, own quite a bit of stock, and have toured thier Fab. Lets just say anyone who buys a Xbox2 and disses Sapphire will be a dumbass. (Think R520) All of the branded by ATI cards are made by Sapphire. Never had any trouble with em.
 

AtaruMoroboshi18

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Just how fast could I expect to get everything ordered, shipped, and assembled? Days? Weeks? I've waited for a while, I can wait a little longer, but I would like to know what the average time for the process of building a computer is. How hard would it be to install Windows XP on a system like the one said above, with the DFI motherboard? Is that all I'll need to get it up and running or what?
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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In my esperience (usually ordering from newegg) I get my stuff about 4 business days after I ordered and I'm in Wisconsin.
Building takes a few hours including the windows install and testing programs to make sure everything is working as it should.

Once you get all the parts in, you install windows and then install all the drivers for your different devices.

Even if you take it really slow you can get it done in an afternoon even if it's your first time.
 

ribbon13

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I've built a computer in 28 minutes flat. (with windows install cache on the drive) But that was a long day of building them left and right.

I'd make sure to have a lot of things already ready. I'd slipstream the latest drivers from ATi and nVidia on a WinXP sp2 VLK disc.
 

akugami

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I usually allocate 7-10 days for deliveries. Usually it's delivered in 5 business days but sometimes they're late. I normally take a few hours building my computers because I like to take my time and reroute all the cables so they're nice and neat. I don't even know why I bother because usually the people I build it for has someone else poking in there and they ruin the nice cabling job I do. /sigh
 

AtaruMoroboshi18

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Another question, What would be the noise level on some of these computers? How loud would they be? Could you hear them if you were in another room or something? What about liquid cooling? Is that a viable cooling system, are there any disadvantages to it, such as installing it?

Also, would that computer with the DFI be capable of graphics like this:
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/702/702491/img_2533502.html
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/681/681912/img_2127755.html
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/481/481244/img_1850257.html
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: AtaruMoroboshi18
Another question, What would be the noise level on some of these computers? How loud would they be? Could you hear them if you were in another room or something? What about liquid cooling? Is that a viable cooling system, are there any disadvantages to it, such as installing it?

If you keep to 120mm fans in your system, use the retail HS/F on the A64 (or use a 3rd party one from Zalman or use a large fan on a Thermalright), and you videocard fans aren't abnormally loud... your system should be very quiet.

Right now I have some normally very loud fans (80mm Thermaltake SCFIIs) on a 7v mod and they're the loudest thing in my system. It's still very quiet though if you ask me. With 120mm fans in the case I think it would be exceptionally quiet.

Right now I'm using an old backup 10 gig wester digital drive and when it starts working it's the loudest thing in the system.

Unless you're totally into silence I think you can easily get a very quiet system.

Water Cooling is a lot of extra work. I've never tried it myself, but I don't imagine it would be a very good idea for a first build.
 

ribbon13

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120mm fans are #1. Get a case with 120mm fans and a PSU with 120mm fans. As I told you in the email ;)
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: AtaruMoroboshi18
Another question, What would be the noise level on some of these computers? How loud would they be? Could you hear them if you were in another room or something? What about liquid cooling? Is that a viable cooling system, are there any disadvantages to it, such as installing it?

Also, would that computer with the DFI be capable of graphics like this:
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/702/702491/img_2533502.html
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/681/681912/img_2127755.html
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/481/481244/img_1850257.html

Are those screenshots from games?

If those are games that can be played on normal hardware, then yeah. I don't know what games those are so I couldn't tell you what FPS you might get at any given detail level, but in general, yeah, you should be able to play games at very high settings and have it look excellent.
 

ribbon13

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Elder scrolls is teh goodness.

With the X850 XT you'll be good to go for Oblivion. If I could have gotten a job at Bethesda, I wouldn't have quit game dev.
 

ohnnyj

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Elder scrolls is teh goodness.

With the X850 XT you'll be good to go for Oblivion. If I could have gotten a job at Bethesda, I wouldn't have quit game dev.

But doesn't this game use SM3?
 

AtaruMoroboshi18

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That Elder Scrolls just looks incredible, but I'm waiting for STALKER. It has nearly twice the size of game space as Morrowind. Morrowinds 15km to STALKERs 30km of space. I'm gonna love sneaking around in it.
 

ohnnyj

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Originally posted by: AtaruMoroboshi18
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe...?ProductCode=80717-OEM-80098-21&ps=ho1

I was wondering if something like this would be considered a good buy. A Gig of Corsair RAM and a 3500+ AMD for $355+. Just like to check.

Probably not.

1. OEM processor (max 90 day warranty)
2. Non overclocking RAM (still good stock RAM).
3. You could almost buy them separately for the same or cheaper if you find some good deals (recently saw the same 1GB Corsair kit for $91 + $320 for the retail processor = $411).

Oops, mistake on the processor. The .09nm ones are a little more. But I still think the OEM processor ruins the deal.