Crystal meth is some nasty crap.

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
the cost of drugs would be less if they were legalized...

Not if they were taxed - and they would be. Alcohol and cigarettes are taxed.

you are saying one thing then the opposite. You said they wouldn't be cheap because of taxes. Then you named two cheap taxed items....

Alcohol and cigarettes aren't cheap! WTF are you talking about? How much do you think the tobacco inside a pack of cigarettes costs to produce?

the non brand cigs can be had for 3 dollars a pack in some states. I can purchase a forty oz beer for $1.79

Exactly.

Think about it again - how much do you think that tobacco and paper is worth? 1 cent? 0.1 cent?

whenever you want to start making sense I will resume this conversation. You are arguing legalized drugs would cost more. I want to know your logic behind this. Taxes is not a relevant argument's because you have no idea what the tax structure would be based on. They clearly wouldn't tax it to the point that it would be unaffordable because that would create a black market again.

I reasoned that if you tax something, it will become more expensive - that seems to me to be true by definition.

However, I am not a student of economics. Can you enlighten me on how taxing something could make it cheaper?

you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
the cost of drugs would be less if they were legalized...

Not if they were taxed - and they would be. Alcohol and cigarettes are taxed.

you are saying one thing then the opposite. You said they wouldn't be cheap because of taxes. Then you named two cheap taxed items....

Alcohol and cigarettes aren't cheap! WTF are you talking about? How much do you think the tobacco inside a pack of cigarettes costs to produce?

the non brand cigs can be had for 3 dollars a pack in some states. I can purchase a forty oz beer for $1.79

Exactly.

Think about it again - how much do you think that tobacco and paper is worth? 1 cent? 0.1 cent?

whenever you want to start making sense I will resume this conversation. You are arguing legalized drugs would cost more. I want to know your logic behind this. Taxes is not a relevant argument's because you have no idea what the tax structure would be based on. They clearly wouldn't tax it to the point that it would be unaffordable because that would create a black market again.

I reasoned that if you tax something, it will become more expensive - that seems to me to be true by definition.

However, I am not a student of economics. Can you enlighten me on how taxing something could make it cheaper?

you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

add in taxes, cost to regulate, cost to maintain quality. I'd wager more expensive.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus


you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

add in taxes, cost to regulate, cost to maintain quality. I'd wager more expensive.

privatize production. just like over the counter medications.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus


you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

add in taxes, cost to regulate, cost to maintain quality. I'd wager more expensive.

privatize production. just like over the counter medications.

So you wouldn't want quality control? And no ****** the government will tax it.

 

[ksaajasto]

Seen Requiem for a Dream Unrated lately? if that doesn't stop u idk what will


I find it better *not* to try em'

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus


you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

add in taxes, cost to regulate, cost to maintain quality. I'd wager more expensive.

privatize production. just like over the counter medications.

So you wouldn't want quality control? And no ****** the government will tax it.

There is quality control government specs for all medications this would be no different.

 

[imported_griffis]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus
For god's sake people, it's just speed! It's the same thing they give to children with ADHD, the same thing they give to military personnel on long missions, the same thing routinely used in hospitals. The media demonize these drugs to create hype and sell a big story.

I have done it many times, it's no worse than any other recreational stimulant - it's not even that powerful. And contrary to the 'one hit and you're hooked' crap that gets thrown around these days, I don't find it as addictive as cocaine, or cigarettes.

Originally posted by: rudder
When police come across meth labs, they are usually so toxic that full protection must be worn when gathering evidence... why would you put that in your body?

Meth labs are toxic because of the chemicals used in the manufacture of the drug, not the finished drug itself.

Ummm so, Adderall is the same thing as meth? Wow man, Im pretty sure thats a stretch

No, Desoxyn is the same as meth. Adderall is dextro-amphetamine, a very similar drug - and another type of street 'speed'.

Even if the above were even remotely true the dosage amounts are much more controlled in Adderall and Desoxyn.

Remotely true?... dude, just look it up, why would I lie?

A dose is as controlled as you make it.

Honestly, did that last sentence really make sense? You drug types kill me, what do you for a job. Guaranteed you are not a manager or an executive in any type of company. Thanks for serving me my McDonalds coffee in the morning though, haha.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus
For god's sake people, it's just speed! It's the same thing they give to children with ADHD, the same thing they give to military personnel on long missions, the same thing routinely used in hospitals. The media demonize these drugs to create hype and sell a big story.

I have done it many times, it's no worse than any other recreational stimulant - it's not even that powerful. And contrary to the 'one hit and you're hooked' crap that gets thrown around these days, I don't find it as addictive as cocaine, or cigarettes.

Originally posted by: rudder
When police come across meth labs, they are usually so toxic that full protection must be worn when gathering evidence... why would you put that in your body?

Meth labs are toxic because of the chemicals used in the manufacture of the drug, not the finished drug itself.

Ummm so, Adderall is the same thing as meth? Wow man, Im pretty sure thats a stretch

No, Desoxyn is the same as meth. Adderall is dextro-amphetamine, a very similar drug - and another type of street 'speed'.

Even if the above were even remotely true the dosage amounts are much more controlled in Adderall and Desoxyn.

Remotely true?... dude, just look it up, why would I lie?

A dose is as controlled as you make it.

Honestly, did that last sentence really make sense?

Hang on for the irony people...

You drug types kill me, what do you for a job.

What? LOL.

Guaranteed you are not a manager or an executive in any type of company. Thanks for serving me my McDonalds coffee in the morning though, haha.

I am a programmer and security analyst, I have a degree in computer science, and I am well paid. I can think of nothing worse than being an executive.

 

[SirChadwick]

Programmer? Eh, that says it all right there.

 

[jmdeathsquad]

I'd rather do coke

 

[reverend boltron]

I used to do meth a lot when I was younger. I can tell you one thing, I do not recommend it at all. I used to scratch my arm unconsciously when I would do it, and one day I scratched my arm so much that it was bleeding, I think the scar finally went away (for the most part), but man, I hate drugs so much. They are such a waste of life, of time and of money. I can't tell you how many people I have seen throw their lives away because they got involved with drugs. Praise God that I am not there anymore, and my heart goes out to the people who are trapped in that world.

So many people will say that it isn't bad in moderation and that it isn't harmful, and blah blah blah, but hear me when I say this, it brings bondage. And the more you do it, the more seeds you sow in your life to keep yourself held down, the more opportunity you are giving to destruction, and the less joy you will have. It will eat you, and cause you to decay as a person, and pretty soon, you will be disintegrated, or a shell of who you once were. I just pray that anyone who is battling with drugs now will have the courage to ask for help from anyone who is willing to listen.

 

[eakers]

the problem with meth is that it makes you feel so good for a little bit so its so addicting..

 

[xtknight]

Really? I had no idea.

 

[eakers]

If you give kids the kind of misinformation that gets thrown around schools and such, like "one hit and you're hooked", then the first thing they will discover when they encounter drugs is that actually much of what they have been told is wrong. They will think "hey, that didn't make me feel terrible like they said it would, I feel good! and I'm not hooked!"... then they will start to wonder what else they were lied to about... "are drugs really dangerous at all? Maybe I can do as much as I want and it doesn't matter?" - at that point they will get into trouble. People need to be told the truth about these things, not convinced they are bad at all cost.

5 of my friends got hooked on meth when I was in highschool. 2 of them had their lives ruined because of it, 2 of them had to do serious rehab and 1 was able to get clean on his own. I wish that someone had told us how bad meth was. We grew up with "don't do drugs, they're bad" but when you try pot, shrooms and e and nothing happens added with teenagers thinking they are invincible it spelt trouble. In the rave scene, it was very common do do some "dirty jib" to stay awake and party all night, sure you felt like crap after but to some, it was worth it. It wasn't until meeting people with meth problems did I realise how bad it was.

I used to believe in responsible drug use but I do not anymore. For some people there is no such thing.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

When the market has shown that it will bear a price of $20 for a bag and $5 for a crack rock, why would they drop the price?

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Atheus


you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

add in taxes, cost to regulate, cost to maintain quality. I'd wager more expensive.

privatize production. just like over the counter medications.

So you wouldn't want quality control? And no ****** the government will tax it.

There is quality control government specs for all medications this would be no different.

Cost ++

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: eakers
5 of my friends got hooked on meth when I was in highschool. 2 of them had their lives ruined because of it, 2 of them had to do serious rehab and 1 was able to get clean on his own. I wish that someone had told us how bad meth was. We grew up with "don't do drugs, they're bad" but when you try pot, shrooms and e and nothing happens added with teenagers thinking they are invincible it spelt trouble. In the rave scene, it was very common do do some "dirty jib" to stay awake and party all night, sure you felt like crap after but to some, it was worth it. It wasn't until meeting people with meth problems did I realise how bad it was.

I used to believe in responsible drug use but I do not anymore. For some people there is no such thing.

But the thing is that those sort of people typically have an addictive personality, so if it's not illegal drugs, it might just be prescription drugs, alcohol, gambling, or who knows what else.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: eakers
5 of my friends got hooked on meth when I was in highschool. 2 of them had their lives ruined because of it, 2 of them had to do serious rehab and 1 was able to get clean on his own. I wish that someone had told us how bad meth was. We grew up with "don't do drugs, they're bad" but when you try pot, shrooms and e and nothing happens added with teenagers thinking they are invincible it spelt trouble. In the rave scene, it was very common do do some "dirty jib" to stay awake and party all night, sure you felt like crap after but to some, it was worth it. It wasn't until meeting people with meth problems did I realise how bad it was.

I used to believe in responsible drug use but I do not anymore. For some people there is no such thing.

But the thing is that those sort of people typically have an addictive personality, so if it's not illegal drugs, it might just be prescription drugs, alcohol, gambling, or who knows what else.

...internet forums, computers, gaming, reading, eating... pretty much anything!

 

[yhelothar]

Meh.. Any video that is one sided is full of ******. They selectively put a group of people that got really fvcked up off meth. But if you OD on anything, you'll fvck yourself up.
That said, I'm going over to see a psychiatrist to pick up some meth now

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Atheus
If you give kids the kind of misinformation that gets thrown around schools and such, like "one hit and you're hooked", then the first thing they will discover when they encounter drugs is that actually much of what they have been told is wrong. They will think "hey, that didn't make me feel terrible like they said it would, I feel good! and I'm not hooked!"... then they will start to wonder what else they were lied to about... "are drugs really dangerous at all? Maybe I can do as much as I want and it doesn't matter?" - at that point they will get into trouble. People need to be told the truth about these things, not convinced they are bad at all cost.

Wisdom can be gained through using drugs, but what kind of wisdom and to what end? I think it is the most petty, cheap wisdom out there, populated with experiences that we don't need to have. Generations upon generations of people lived without a shred of this crap in their lives. They all lived complete lives. Now since it is available, people use it. I just question whether or not we are better off now as opposed to before.

I'm going to pick on weed right now for lack of a better example. If cavemen were able to see us today, grinding up the leaves and dried buds of a plant and inhaling the smoke into our lungs, they would probably think we were idiots. Lo and behold, afterwards, we're basically on the same intellectual level. Well, that's a little harsh but you get the idea?

All these chemical concoctions floating around too... I've been to raves, I know what that's all about. I've danced until the sun came up and went home soaked in a cold sweat, staring at fractal posters on my friend's walls watching them in full animated mode, in better resolution than I've ever seen on a computer. That friend is gone now, I don't know where he ended up. 99% of the friends I made through drugs are gone from my life, because the experiences we shared - no matter how many times - fade over the years. They just don't last like the REAL life things do - you know, the things normal people do. Druggies aren't normal - and I'm not saying you are one.

Time is better spent doing other things. I often wonder how many talents I could have developed during all that time spent with my bad habits. Like they say though, 30 is the new 20 for a lot of us that got caught up in the lifestyle in the 90s. "And then one day you find, ten years have got behind you..." rings true for me. Drugs really are bad, it just sucks that some of us have to learn the hard way. I think as a society, we will have to learn the hard way and we have a long way to go yet.

I second-guessed hitting reply because this is quite a personal reply on a large message board, but for the sake of the conversation, here it is.

That's the best damn post I've read in a year. You did very well here, my friend. Not that any of that rings true for me...nope. /whistling

I can't remember the names of all those people I killed countless weekends with. People I trusted with my secrets. People who's homes I passed out....er...fell asleep in...after a couple of days up and a day down. Animated posters, talking walls, breathing floors and dancing lightswitches. Really.

I have no idea where those people are today AND I DON'T CARE. That's the really ironic part.

It's best if young folks (or older folks for that matter!) don't get involved at all. Save your money and your time; there's no mystical knowledge gained. In the end, you will judge yourself by how much good you have accomplished on this plane, not by how many blinky lights you've smelled.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: eakers
5 of my friends got hooked on meth when I was in highschool. 2 of them had their lives ruined because of it, 2 of them had to do serious rehab and 1 was able to get clean on his own. I wish that someone had told us how bad meth was. We grew up with "don't do drugs, they're bad" but when you try pot, shrooms and e and nothing happens added with teenagers thinking they are invincible it spelt trouble. In the rave scene, it was very common do do some "dirty jib" to stay awake and party all night, sure you felt like crap after but to some, it was worth it. It wasn't until meeting people with meth problems did I realise how bad it was.

I used to believe in responsible drug use but I do not anymore. For some people there is no such thing.

But the thing is that those sort of people typically have an addictive personality, so if it's not illegal drugs, it might just be prescription drugs, alcohol, gambling, or who knows what else.

...internet forums, computers, gaming, reading, eating... pretty much anything!

Internet forums is where I draw the line! We cannot allow the ravage of IFP (internet forum posting) to continue endangering the lives of our loved ones, our fathers, mothers, and children!

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: eakers
5 of my friends got hooked on meth when I was in highschool. 2 of them had their lives ruined because of it, 2 of them had to do serious rehab and 1 was able to get clean on his own. I wish that someone had told us how bad meth was. We grew up with "don't do drugs, they're bad" but when you try pot, shrooms and e and nothing happens added with teenagers thinking they are invincible it spelt trouble. In the rave scene, it was very common do do some "dirty jib" to stay awake and party all night, sure you felt like crap after but to some, it was worth it. It wasn't until meeting people with meth problems did I realise how bad it was.

I used to believe in responsible drug use but I do not anymore. For some people there is no such thing.

But the thing is that those sort of people typically have an addictive personality, so if it's not illegal drugs, it might just be prescription drugs, alcohol, gambling, or who knows what else.

...internet forums, computers, gaming, reading, eating... pretty much anything!

Internet forums is where I draw the line! We cannot allow the ravage of IFP (internet forum posting) to continue endangering the lives of our loved ones, our fathers, mothers, and children!

lol... i'm just saying, if you're like me you have to fill up the void where the other one pops up

thankfully and fortunately I am addicted to fun things now

 

[meltdown75]

Oh yeah and FWIW I've never tried meth. I should probably mention that since meth was the subject in the OP.

At my worst, I was just a pothead

Those meth-heads are just scary.

 

[imported_griffis]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: griffis

Originally posted by: Atheus
For god's sake people, it's just speed! It's the same thing they give to children with ADHD, the same thing they give to military personnel on long missions, the same thing routinely used in hospitals. The media demonize these drugs to create hype and sell a big story.

I have done it many times, it's no worse than any other recreational stimulant - it's not even that powerful. And contrary to the 'one hit and you're hooked' crap that gets thrown around these days, I don't find it as addictive as cocaine, or cigarettes.

Originally posted by: rudder
When police come across meth labs, they are usually so toxic that full protection must be worn when gathering evidence... why would you put that in your body?

Meth labs are toxic because of the chemicals used in the manufacture of the drug, not the finished drug itself.

Ummm so, Adderall is the same thing as meth? Wow man, Im pretty sure thats a stretch

No, Desoxyn is the same as meth. Adderall is dextro-amphetamine, a very similar drug - and another type of street 'speed'.

Even if the above were even remotely true the dosage amounts are much more controlled in Adderall and Desoxyn.

Remotely true?... dude, just look it up, why would I lie?

A dose is as controlled as you make it.

Honestly, did that last sentence really make sense?

Hang on for the irony people...

You drug types kill me, what do you for a job.

What? LOL.

Guaranteed you are not a manager or an executive in any type of company. Thanks for serving me my McDonalds coffee in the morning though, haha.

I am a programmer and security analyst, I have a degree in computer science, and I am well paid. I can think of nothing worse than being an executive.

Programmer heh? That does quite explain it, haha.

 

[Xyo II]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
you are assuming that they are going to sell the drugs at the current black market street price + tax. They clearly wouldnt. Drugs are only expensive because 1) cost to smuggle, transport etc 2) risk

eliminate those 2 factors and cost can be reduced dramatically. a 20 dollar bag is now only 5 bucks. A 5 dollar crack rock is now only a dollar. get it?

******, crack rock is $5? I can sell amphetamine salt pills here at $3-5 a pop. (eh the equivalent of Adderall) I haven't though, because I need them. And, it didn't feel right to do even though I have hung out with and talked to a lot of stoners.