Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Yeah ok we're done here.
just try and work with me here for a second....you said
" I'm just going to say that everyone from Einstein-level intelligence right down to your street bum uses drugs. That's a fact, it's indisputable and irrefutable"
Everyone uses drugs(hardcore or softcore) whether experimentation or daily use from the governor to the homeless guy....point is here if they want to use......they use regardless of legality.
spend half the money being spent fighting it on anti drug campaigns.....and rehab clinics and I'm certain the results would be better. In other societies where it is decriminalized its a non issue because if you use society looks at you as a fvcking joke. In this country it is glamorized. Spend money to change the image society has rather than pissing it away on a battle that cant be won.
thats my .02
Your a damn retard.
If you are talking about Europe where in some countries CERTAIN drugs are legalized, they have an incredibly large social net for drug users.
They also spend large amounts on rehabilitation.
I hope you are no older than 18.
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: meltdown75
just try and work with me here for a second....you said
" I'm just going to say that everyone from Einstein-level intelligence right down to your street bum uses drugs. That's a fact, it's indisputable and irrefutable"
Everyone uses drugs(hardcore or softcore) whether experimentation or daily use from the governor to the homeless guy....point is here if they want to use......they use regardless of legality.
spend half the money being spent fighting it on anti drug campaigns.....and rehab clinics and I'm certain the results would be better. In other societies where it is decriminalized its a non issue because if you use society looks at you as a fvcking joke. In this country it is glamorized. Spend money to change the image society has rather than pissing it away on a battle that cant be won.
thats my .02
Your a damn retard.
If you are talking about Europe where in some countries CERTAIN drugs are legalized, they have an incredibly large social net for drug users.
They also spend large amounts on rehabilitation.
I hope you are no older than 18.
we would have plenty of money for rehab if it wasn't being pissed away like i said in my post above. There is a difference between legalization, decriminalization and a non enforcement policy as well.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: meltdown75
just try and work with me here for a second....you said
" I'm just going to say that everyone from Einstein-level intelligence right down to your street bum uses drugs. That's a fact, it's indisputable and irrefutable"
Everyone uses drugs(hardcore or softcore) whether experimentation or daily use from the governor to the homeless guy....point is here if they want to use......they use regardless of legality.
spend half the money being spent fighting it on anti drug campaigns.....and rehab clinics and I'm certain the results would be better. In other societies where it is decriminalized its a non issue because if you use society looks at you as a fvcking joke. In this country it is glamorized. Spend money to change the image society has rather than pissing it away on a battle that cant be won.
thats my .02
Your a damn retard.
If you are talking about Europe where in some countries CERTAIN drugs are legalized, they have an incredibly large social net for drug users.
They also spend large amounts on rehabilitation.
I hope you are no older than 18.
we would have plenty of money for rehab if it wasn't being pissed away like i said in my post above. There is a difference between legalization, decriminalization and a non enforcement policy as well.
OOOOO
I'm terribly sorry man, I didn't read properly.
*punches self in face*
Yea essentially I agree with you. My bad again.
This stuff has to be crazy addictive if people will rot their teeth and let their body degenerate like that.
meltdown75
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I now have a grand total of 8 cents from you clanging around in this ATOT piggy bank! w00t!Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: meltdown75
just try and work with me here for a second....you said
" I'm just going to say that everyone from Einstein-level intelligence right down to your street bum uses drugs. That's a fact, it's indisputable and irrefutable"
Everyone uses drugs(hardcore or softcore) whether experimentation or daily use from the governor to the homeless guy....point is here if they want to use......they use regardless of legality.
spend half the money being spent fighting it on anti drug campaigns.....and rehab clinics and I'm certain the results would be better. In other societies where it is decriminalized its a non issue because if you use society looks at you as a fvcking joke. In this country it is glamorized. Spend money to change the image society has rather than pissing it away on a battle that cant be won.
thats my .02
You said (trying to translate a bit here) that people that don't use drugs don't use them because they are not retarded (holy negatives Batman). Basically you're stating that drug users are retarded. In case you didn't catch it, I was disagreeing with that statement. There is no cookie-cutter profile of a drug user - hard drugs or otherwise. The reasons people choose to use drugs run a *little* deeper than mental capacity of the users.
Now I agree with the notion that the "war on drugs" could be fought differently, or abandoned altogether. Do I think it would benefit society? Which one? I don't think it would be wise for North American society to suddenly be without drug laws and repurcussions for users / dealers and the like. I think it would actually be a bad idea, maybe one of the worst. Why it seems to work well in a little cocoon such as the Red Light District in Amsterdam is anyone's guess but I'm sure dozens of pro-drug proponents would be willing to point you to any number of studies proving the "benefits".
For god's sake people, it's just speed! It's the same thing they give to children with ADHD, the same thing they give to military personnel on long missions, the same thing routinely used in hospitals. The media demonize these drugs to create hype and sell a big story.
I have done it many times, it's no worse than any other recreational stimulant - it's not even that powerful. And contrary to the 'one hit and you're hooked' crap that gets thrown around these days, I don't find it as addictive as cocaine, or cigarettes.
Meth labs are toxic because of the chemicals used in the manufacture of the drug, not the finished drug itself.
I have done it many times, it's no worse than any other recreational stimulant - it's not even that powerful. And contrary to the 'one hit and you're hooked' crap that gets thrown around these days, I don't find it as addictive as cocaine, or cigarettes.
Meth labs are toxic because of the chemicals used in the manufacture of the drug, not the finished drug itself.
Meth is some pretty rough sh!t. The reason the people look like pounded dog ass is because meth addicts don't sleep for weeks on end, they don't bath or perform any proper hygene practices. And are so jonesed out of the minds that when they do gt hurt they don't feel it thus don't fix it and get infections.
The scary part about meth is that van or truck wit ha topper that you can't see in it could very well have a batch of meth cooking in the back. Making meth is very unstable then these people put them in cars and drive around with the sh1t. I'm suprised we don't hear about more rolling meth lab explosions.
The scary part about meth is that van or truck wit ha topper that you can't see in it could very well have a batch of meth cooking in the back. Making meth is very unstable then these people put them in cars and drive around with the sh1t. I'm suprised we don't hear about more rolling meth lab explosions.
It's not a particularly difficult synthesis, so it is actually quite easy to get good methamphetamine on the 'street'. Besides, if you're smoking impure crap and you make yourself sick, that's not the methamphetamine's fault is it? It's the fault of the impurities...
That's just not true at all - amphetamines are not painkillers.
For all the people who are saying that they should legalize Meth, and other hard drugs. Don't you think that would cause more junkies to be roaming the streets causing crime? Making a drug that these people are addicted to more readily available will eventually lead to their death, but in the meantime they need to find money to get their now legal drugs. It's not like all the people addicted to this stuff are functioning parts of society who have a paycheck to pay for their addiction. Don't you think more access would equal more addicts which would equal more crime? Sure legalizing all drugs would be great if everyone was able to control themselves, but I think it's pretty obvious that a lot of people can't.
And I heard someone mention Amsterdam in this thread. I've always read that the crime from addicts in Amsterdam is pretty high. I can't find any statistics but I did find this. I might be totally wrong, but if they are posting huge banners in the streets saying to watch for pick-pockets then I would guess the crime is bad enough.
Or maybe I'm just wrong all together and all drugs should be legal. But probably not.
And I heard someone mention Amsterdam in this thread. I've always read that the crime from addicts in Amsterdam is pretty high. I can't find any statistics but I did find this. I might be totally wrong, but if they are posting huge banners in the streets saying to watch for pick-pockets then I would guess the crime is bad enough.
Or maybe I'm just wrong all together and all drugs should be legal. But probably not.
Toastedlightly
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I just want to know how you can tell if it is "pure." As a chem student, it is sometimes diffictult to get pure lab samples, let alone from mixing different ingredients and getting hte prodcut with many other unwanted contaminates. Meth is just bad.
wheresmybacon
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Purity tests are available at reasonable prices.
http://www.eztest.com/web/
Also, the human body has built-in chemical identification mechanisms (taste and smell) which are also quite effective after some practice.
LOL.
Toastedlightly
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Don't always "taste" or "smell" impurities. Also, those tests seem to dectect the drug, not seeing anything on purity.
ZzZGuy
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A year ago i had a co-woker who several years ago was REALLY into hard drugs of all kinds. I watched as he had what i would call a "relapse" over a 7 month period where he started to lose his mind. He went from a noraml person to yelling to himself, arguing with a overhead crane, thinking another co-worker was someone from his past half the time, uttering death threats and finally smashing a car (he was still jumping on the hood when the cops arrived).
If you want to get high, get some weed. Hard s*** isn't worth it for a f***ing buzz, get a xbox or something if you are board and want to kill time or have some fun.
If you want to get high, get some weed. Hard s*** isn't worth it for a f***ing buzz, get a xbox or something if you are board and want to kill time or have some fun.
Yes it is nasty and unfortunately it can affect anyone.
I lost my youngest sister to it. She still is alive, however drugs has taken her from my family & her kids for the last 16 years (she is living on & off the streets for 16 years).
I second the motion that drugs should be decriminalize and be tax. By doing so it would kill the one that doesn't want to be saves quickly, and save the family members from the grieves.
I lost my youngest sister to it. She still is alive, however drugs has taken her from my family & her kids for the last 16 years (she is living on & off the streets for 16 years).
I second the motion that drugs should be decriminalize and be tax. By doing so it would kill the one that doesn't want to be saves quickly, and save the family members from the grieves.
With that logic, the war on crime and anything illegal is an absolute joke... Theft, arson, murder, rape, drugs, you name it, it can all be considered a 'joke'...
Why don't we just give up, cause you know it'd be the easy thing to do..
No but you can taste and small the drug, and if it doesn't taste/smell like it's supposed to, then you know there's something wrong.
They do test for purity. The ecstasy ones do at least - I've seen them in use personally. Besides, there are websites dedicated to reporting the purity of various batches of 'street' drugs, you can always check there.
Toastedlightly
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One thing I've learned is that smell is not a very good indicator of purity in compounds. Not saying that it doesn't work sometimes. To each their own. Just one reason I'll never do drugs such as these. I like my state of mind, no need to alter it.
The difference is that theft, arson, murder, and rape actually cause harm to people. I'm sitting here taking drugs right now, and I'm not hurting anyone, yet the government would have me put in jail for it - what's the logic in that?
I believe his point was that there is no need for people to pay taxes to try to prevent people taking drugs. You might as well have a war against rock climbing, or rally racing, or something else that is both fun and dangerous.
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