Crazy UHP Tasers speeder

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
For all of you anti-taser people: I've seen tasers SAVE lives. Officers being put in situations where deadly force is more than justified, but they chose not to go that route and use a taser instead. It's easy to sit at home and complain about cops using tasers when you only see the bad uses of them.

Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

These taser-happy cops are lazy sacks of crap.

Well I guess he could have tackled him or sprayed him with pepper
spray but in the end he would have been under arrest anyway. Cop
was an ass, but bottom line is if he tells you to stay put, you stay put.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: manowar821
Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

Could you explain why Tasers are only appropriate/suitable for those types of situations? Thanks.

Because that's what they're TRAINED.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: manowar821
Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

Could you explain why Tasers are only appropriate/suitable for those types of situations? Thanks.

Because that's what they're TRAINED.

Wrong.

I'm Taser certified.

Are you?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: manowar821
Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

Could you explain why Tasers are only appropriate/suitable for those types of situations? Thanks.

Because that's what they're TRAINED.

Wrong.

I'm Taser certified.

Are you?

So you're told to taser someone when they're not following your asinine orders? Or are you even a cop?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: manowar821
Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

Could you explain why Tasers are only appropriate/suitable for those types of situations? Thanks.

Because that's what they're TRAINED.

Wrong.

I'm Taser certified.

Are you?

So you're told to taser someone when they're not following your asinine orders? Or are you even a cop?

The Taser is on the same level of force as OC spray.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: manowar821
Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

Could you explain why Tasers are only appropriate/suitable for those types of situations? Thanks.

Because that's what they're TRAINED.

Wrong.

I'm Taser certified.

Are you?

So you're told to taser someone when they're not following your asinine orders? Or are you even a cop?

The Taser is considered the same level of force as OC spray.

That's BS, I was taught to use a stun-gun in place of a gun, unless the assailant has already fired a shot. It's not classified as a "non-lethal" device, it's considered "less than lethal". Meaning it can seriously injure people.

What exactly do you do, Mr. "Cadet"?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: manowar821
Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

Could you explain why Tasers are only appropriate/suitable for those types of situations? Thanks.

Because that's what they're TRAINED.

Wrong.

I'm Taser certified.

Are you?

So you're told to taser someone when they're not following your asinine orders? Or are you even a cop?

The Taser is considered the same level of force as OC spray.

That's BS, I was taught to use a stun-gun in place of a gun, unless the assailant has already fired a shot. It's not classified as a "non-lethal" device, it's considered "less than lethal". Meaning it can seriously injure people.

What exactly do you do, Mr. "Cadet"?

Again, are you Taser certified? Your avoidance of this issue is rather obvious.

I'm an LEO. What do you do for a living?

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
For all of you anti-taser people: I've seen tasers SAVE lives. Officers being put in situations where deadly force is more than justified, but they chose not to go that route and use a taser instead. It's easy to sit at home and complain about cops using tasers when you only see the bad uses of them.

Yes jackass, a taser is for use in situations where a person is threatening the life of someone, and where deadly-force would be appropriate. Tasers are not cop-outs for lazy pigs.

You need to learn what the fuck kind of situation a taser is supposed to be used in.

These taser-happy cops are lazy sacks of crap.

First of all, way to resort to insults on a simple point I was making. Real mature.
Second, I've been trained to know when a taser is supposed to be used... have you?

A taser is used for *LESS LETHAL* force. If you can use a baton in a situation, you can use a taser. According to you, you can only use a taser when you can use a gun. This mentality is wrong.

Taken from one dept's policy (Marquette County to be exact) *most departmental policies read the same*

Personnel may use an approved Taser when:
? they are required to use physical force to take a person into
custody,
? to protect himself or herself from physical assault,
? to protect a subject from injuring himself/herself or others, and
? against animals who pose a serious threat towards the deputy or
others.

As this guy WAS resisting by not complying with the officer's orders (often known as verbalization) he was in his right to use a taser on the subject. Physical force. That doesn't mean shoot the guy. Baton is a use of physical force. Pepper Spray is a use of physical force. Now did I ever say that all of that made the cop less of a dick for helping create that situation? No. In fact I called the cop a dick as well. However, if the speeder complied and did what the officer said, then went through the court system like you are supposed to in order to complain about the officer, the situation would never have happened.

Again, there's a time and place to argue your side and the side of a street is not the place to do it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Injury
I really don't care what anyone says, the following was obvious to me

Now, I don't know how many of you are police officers, but if I was an officer then priority number one would be ensuring that I'm safe.

Would you guys have prefered either the officer just letting the guy get in his car and (possibly) drive off or fetch a weapon?

What did the kid do?

Rob an bank?

Cause a massive wreck?

Shoot someone?

No, he wasn't likely speeding either.

He should've just handed the kid the bogus ticket and said see you in court.

The video clearly has audio of the trooper lying to the other officer.

The trooper should be arrested today on Thanksgiving.

It's moot point what he did to get pulled over at this point. If he would have signed the ticket he would have been fine. He didn't get tased because of a traffic citation. He got tased because he was resisting arrest, he was being arrested because he didn't sign the ticket. Read that sentence over a few times and let it sink in.

Now answer the following: Was the guy obeying the officer's instructions? Did the guy sign the citatation? When the guy turned to walk to his car, should the officer have just let him go? Should the officer have felt threatened when he started walking away?

I saw the video over and over -- I read your opinion I have one question for you...What are you smokin??

I have refused to sogn a ticket and the cop wrote on the ticket -- refused to sign and I was on my way!!

The cop obviously did not get laid the night before most likely by his gay lover. Thus he still had all this hostility bult up inside and had to abuse the first person whop came driving along!

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Injury
I really don't care what anyone says, the following was obvious to me

Now, I don't know how many of you are police officers, but if I was an officer then priority number one would be ensuring that I'm safe.

Would you guys have prefered either the officer just letting the guy get in his car and (possibly) drive off or fetch a weapon?

What did the kid do?

Rob an bank?

Cause a massive wreck?

Shoot someone?

No, he wasn't likely speeding either.

He should've just handed the kid the bogus ticket and said see you in court.

The video clearly has audio of the trooper lying to the other officer.

The trooper should be arrested today on Thanksgiving.

It's moot point what he did to get pulled over at this point. If he would have signed the ticket he would have been fine. He didn't get tased because of a traffic citation. He got tased because he was resisting arrest, he was being arrested because he didn't sign the ticket. Read that sentence over a few times and let it sink in.

Now answer the following: Was the guy obeying the officer's instructions? Did the guy sign the citatation? When the guy turned to walk to his car, should the officer have just let him go? Should the officer have felt threatened when he started walking away?

I saw the video over and over -- I read your opinion I have one question for you...What are you smokin??

I have refused to sogn a ticket and the cop wrote on the ticket -- refused to sign and I was on my way!!

The cop obviously did not get laid the night before most likely by his gay lover. Thus he still had all this hostility bult up inside and had to abuse the first person whop came driving along!

Ever thought that the laws may vary in your jurisdiction?

You know that just because you aren't aware of a law doesn't make you innocent of it, right? The guy might not have been aware that refusing to sign means the officer has to arrest him, but that doesn't mean he's innocent of it.

The cop SHOULD have made him aware of this before getting him out of the car, and yes, he SHOULD have been more clear in the reason he was arresting him, but there he DOES say exactly why he's doing it at a point in the video. Whether the guy didn't hear him, didn't understand it, or didn't think it was fair does not matter. He refused to obey a lawful order. Probably the SOLE reason why he won't get charged with resisting arrest (or have the charges dropped) is because this video is on Youtube and all the people on the internet with cop-hating attitudes are crying foul.

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: manowar821
That's BS, I was taught to use a stun-gun in place of a gun, unless the assailant has already fired a shot.

Which training program taught you that? By "stun-gun", do you mean Taser or generic contact stun gun?

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Officer was a dick, I hope he gets sued, loses his home and all of his money to this guy, then the guy burns it and watches while eating popcorn on the lawn. I respect police officers, they have a tough job, BUT just because you have a tough job does NOT mean you are god and have the right to taser anyone you feel like

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Granted, an idiot cop is a lot more dangerous than an idiot civvy.

QFMFT

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Injury


The cop SHOULD have made him aware of this before getting him out of the car, and yes, he SHOULD have been more clear in the reason he was arresting him, but there he DOES say exactly why he's doing it at a point in the video. Whether the guy didn't hear him, didn't understand it, or didn't think it was fair does not matter. He refused to obey a lawful order. Probably the SOLE reason why he won't get charged with resisting arrest (or have the charges dropped) is because this video is on Youtube and all the people on the internet with cop-hating attitudes are crying foul.

I have said that the officers actions where justified once it reached the point it did but after watching that video do you really think the kid should be charged with resisting?

The cop might not have broken any rules but that is exactly what we DON'T want in an officer of the law. Can you imagine an officer like that responding to a domestic disturbance call and elevating an already elevated situation? Not only that, but society in general shouldn't have to deal with an officer like that. When the person that was arrested was the rationale person in the situation, something is wrong.

I don't think this is a "Taser abuse so they should be banned" issue.
I don't think this is an issue of a cop not legally justified in using a Taser.

I DO think this is an issue of a person who does not have the correct mentality to be an officer of the law, especially if he has a history of this.

And I do not have a "cop-hating" attitude. I like the police. I know most of the cops that patrol my area. I had a lot of their roofs fixed for free and moved them to the front of extremely long lines (read:months) after Katrina. I had a lot of respect for cops before Katrina, but when you go through a situation like Katrina where you can't call the cops and society basically breaks down you have a whole new respect for the service that the police actually provide.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Injury


The cop SHOULD have made him aware of this before getting him out of the car, and yes, he SHOULD have been more clear in the reason he was arresting him, but there he DOES say exactly why he's doing it at a point in the video. Whether the guy didn't hear him, didn't understand it, or didn't think it was fair does not matter. He refused to obey a lawful order. Probably the SOLE reason why he won't get charged with resisting arrest (or have the charges dropped) is because this video is on Youtube and all the people on the internet with cop-hating attitudes are crying foul.

I have said that the officers actions where justified once it reached the point it did but after watching that video do you really think the kid should be charged with resisting?

The cop might not have broken any rules but that is exactly what we DON'T want in an officer of the law. Can you imagine an officer like that responding to a domestic disturbance call and elevating an already elevated situation? Not only that, but society in general shouldn't have to deal with an officer like that. When the person that was arrested was the rationale person in the situation, something is wrong.

I don't think this is a "Taser abuse so they should be banned" issue.
I don't think this is an issue of a cop not legally justified in using a Taser.

I DO think this is an issue of a person who does not have the correct mentality to be an officer of the law, especially if he has a history of this.

And I do not have a "cop-hating" attitude. I like the police. I know most of the cops that patrol my area. I had a lot of their roofs fixed for free and moved them to the front of extremely long lines (read:months) after Katrina. I had a lot of respect for cops before Katrina, but when you go through a situation like Katrina where you can't call the cops and society basically breaks down you have a whole new respect for the service that the police actually provide.

great post. sums up how i feel.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Injury


The cop SHOULD have made him aware of this before getting him out of the car, and yes, he SHOULD have been more clear in the reason he was arresting him, but there he DOES say exactly why he's doing it at a point in the video. Whether the guy didn't hear him, didn't understand it, or didn't think it was fair does not matter. He refused to obey a lawful order. Probably the SOLE reason why he won't get charged with resisting arrest (or have the charges dropped) is because this video is on Youtube and all the people on the internet with cop-hating attitudes are crying foul.

I have said that the officers actions where justified once it reached the point it did but after watching that video do you really think the kid should be charged with resisting?

The cop might not have broken any rules but that is exactly what we DON'T want in an officer of the law. Can you imagine an officer like that responding to a domestic disturbance call and elevating an already elevated situation? Not only that, but society in general shouldn't have to deal with an officer like that. When the person that was arrested was the rationale person in the situation, something is wrong.

I don't think this is a "Taser abuse so they should be banned" issue.
I don't think this is an issue of a cop not legally justified in using a Taser.

I DO think this is an issue of a person who does not have the correct mentality to be an officer of the law, especially if he has a history of this.

And I do not have a "cop-hating" attitude. I like the police. I know most of the cops that patrol my area. I had a lot of their roofs fixed for free and moved them to the front of extremely long lines (read:months) after Katrina. I had a lot of respect for cops before Katrina, but when you go through a situation like Katrina where you can't call the cops and society basically breaks down you have a whole new respect for the service that the police actually provide.

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: JLee

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

Are you kidding? The police officer was dealing with a person who was arguing against a ticket. Who gives a damn if the kid knew the law or not the fact is if a cop can not handle a civilian arguing over a speeding ticket without forcing a situation that ends in the kid getting taserd and arrested then he is in the wrong line of work. Sure, by the book he might be able to handle it that way but do you seriously want a cop that responds to YOUR situation to act like that?

 

[clamum]

DON'T TASE ME BRO!

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JLee

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

Are you kidding? The police officer was dealing with a person who was resisting arrest. Who gives a damn if the kid knew the law or not the fact is if a cop can not handle a civilian arguing over a speeding ticket without forcing a situation that ends in the kid getting taserd and arrested then he is in the wrong line of work. Sure, by the book he might be able to handle it that way but do you seriously want a cop that responds to YOUR situation to act like that?

Fixed.

I fail to understand how the officer 'forced' this situation. Last I checked, we couldn't magically make people comply by simply by telling them to.

 

[compuwiz1]

I'm most states the privilege of having a driver's license comes with am implied concent hook, meaning if you don't comply, you automatically lose your license. In Washington State, where I received my first DL, you could refuse to sign a ticket or consent to a field sobriety test, but in doing so, forfeited your driving privilege for 1 year.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JLee

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

Are you kidding? The police officer was dealing with a person who was resisting arrest. Who gives a damn if the kid knew the law or not the fact is if a cop can not handle a civilian arguing over a speeding ticket without forcing a situation that ends in the kid getting taserd and arrested then he is in the wrong line of work. Sure, by the book he might be able to handle it that way but do you seriously want a cop that responds to YOUR situation to act like that?

Fixed.

I fail to understand how the officer 'forced' this situation. Last I checked, we couldn't magically make people comply by simply by telling them to.

no but any good officer is going to try to defuse the situation instead of showing he is in power.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JLee

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

Are you kidding? The police officer was dealing with a person who was resisting arrest. Who gives a damn if the kid knew the law or not the fact is if a cop can not handle a civilian arguing over a speeding ticket without forcing a situation that ends in the kid getting taserd and arrested then he is in the wrong line of work. Sure, by the book he might be able to handle it that way but do you seriously want a cop that responds to YOUR situation to act like that?

Fixed.

I fail to understand how the officer 'forced' this situation. Last I checked, we couldn't magically make people comply by simply by telling them to.

no but any good officer is going to try to defuse the situation instead of showing he is in power.

😕

Originally posted by: JLee
While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JLee

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

Are you kidding? The police officer was dealing with a person who was resisting arrest. Who gives a damn if the kid knew the law or not the fact is if a cop can not handle a civilian arguing over a speeding ticket without forcing a situation that ends in the kid getting taserd and arrested then he is in the wrong line of work. Sure, by the book he might be able to handle it that way but do you seriously want a cop that responds to YOUR situation to act like that?

Fixed.

I fail to understand how the officer 'forced' this situation. Last I checked, we couldn't magically make people comply by simply by telling them to.

no but any good officer is going to try to defuse the situation instead of showing he is in power.

😕

Originally posted by: JLee
While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation

what is so confusing? you say that you do not understand how the officer forced the situation and they can't magically make people comply. yeap. But they have the training to defuse the situation wich then get people to comply. wich the officer did NOT even try.

instead he chose to show the civvy he was in charge and had all the power. hell a better trained officer and the situation is 100% better.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JLee

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

Are you kidding? The police officer was dealing with a person who was resisting arrest. Who gives a damn if the kid knew the law or not the fact is if a cop can not handle a civilian arguing over a speeding ticket without forcing a situation that ends in the kid getting taserd and arrested then he is in the wrong line of work. Sure, by the book he might be able to handle it that way but do you seriously want a cop that responds to YOUR situation to act like that?

Fixed.

I fail to understand how the officer 'forced' this situation. Last I checked, we couldn't magically make people comply by simply by telling them to.

no but any good officer is going to try to defuse the situation instead of showing he is in power.

😕

Originally posted by: JLee
While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation

what is so confusing? you say that you do not understand how the officer forced the situation and they can't magically make people comply. yeap. But they have the training to defuse the situation wich then get people to comply. wich the officer did NOT even try.

instead he chose to show the civvy he was in charge and had all the power. hell a better trained officer and the situation is 100% better.

As I said, I don't necessarily agree with how the situation was handled, and there were some obvious officer safety issues as well. However, it is unfair to claim that the officer forced the situation, as you cannot blame him for the non-compliant actions of the other guy.

 

[bctbct]

I hate tasers and I think they should be banned or that officers should be charged with criminals offenses as well as being fired when they are misused.

That said in this case I think the officer saw that the guy was being completely argumenative, non complaint, and soon to esculate.

I only watched the tape once and somehow missed where others are saying that he lied to the other cop.

I also fail to see the anger from the cop like seen in many other cases, IMO that would indicate to me that this cop was not on a power trip.

I dont understand my feelings on this since I am so adamant about the use of tasers, I think this guy was a douche and maybe I enjoyed him getting zapped.