Zenmervolt
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At least since 1998 in Ohio. Can't speak for before then (didn't have a license) and can't speak for other states though.
ZV
At least since 1998 in Ohio. Can't speak for before then (didn't have a license) and can't speak for other states though.
ZV
I see. Signing the ticket is like a mini hearing. If you sign it, you agree to appear in court and are released on your own recognizance. If you don't sign it, the officer can take you into custody right then and there for the crime he's writing you up for.
mobobuff
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When in the video did he drive away?
He had a weapon drawn on him, and he chose to back away. He did not break eye contact with the officer, he did not have his hand IN his pocket, he was not being violent.
You assume that, in a situation where you have an officer of the law and a civilian, that they should both act in a scripted and predetermined fashion, and that the civilian should be unquestioningly obediant to the officer, and you forget that both the officer and the civilian are still humans, still animals, and will act accordingly when threatened.
In my opinion, the officer was; failing to reason, failing to recognize a REQUEST for reason, failing to defuse a non-threatening situation, and failing to do his job. Yes, the civilian could've accepted the ticket without arguing and fought it in court, and it was his mistake in pressing the issue further when he asked the officer (rationally) to point out the speed limit sign and the point at which he clocked him. He was not being violent, he was not being irrational, he had not been told that he was under arrest before he was shot with the taser. He HAD been turned around while he was being given the order to turn around. The officer could've lowered the taser, approached him, and cuffed him right there. Instead, he fired his "lazy-gun".
Yes you did. You sped. Look at it as a tax for having the special privilege to endanger the lives of the rest of your fellow citizens.
We see these "taser" threads all the time now. What can we take away from this? Simple....non-lethal weapons are useless in the hands of the every day cop on the beat. At least when his only real weapon was a gun, and thus lethal, he had to think real hard and be put in a really bad situation before he would use his weapon. With non-lethal weapons it simply becomes too easy to resort to using them rather than finding other ways to deal with the situation.
Check your sarcasm meter, and your PMs (including the time(s) of my post about tasing you, the PM I sent, and your response in this thread.)
mobobuff
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Agreed.
We hear more about the "bad cop" before we hear about the "good cop" stories, and I understand that. Society will always have a grudge against those who have more authority than them. Still, if you're given that authority, you should apply it with such force only when necessary, and it was certainly not necessary in the OP situation.
I disagree. While tasers are, perhaps, lower on the escalation list than they should be, I think they save lives. Right now the media loves them and loves criticizing their use, but IMHO if tasers didn't exist, instead of "Dick cop tases guy who was just frustrated over ticket" we'd have a lot more "Man gets shot after resisting arrest."
Zenmervolt
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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Check your sarcasm meter, and your PMs (including the time(s) of my post about tasing you, the PM I sent, and your response in this thread.)
Sorry, long day. My fault.
ZV
wheresmybacon
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MartyMcFly3
Lifer
A few things here:
The cop was a dick, but didn't do anything unjustified. He gave an order, the kid didn't follow that order. He gave the order again, the kid didnt follow it again.
The site of a traffic stop is NOT the time to argue. That is what the court date is for.
For all of you anti-taser people: I've seen tasers SAVE lives. Officers being put in situations where deadly force is more than justified, but they chose not to go that route and use a taser instead. It's easy to sit at home and complain about cops using tasers when you only see the bad uses of them.
The cop was a dick, but didn't do anything unjustified. He gave an order, the kid didn't follow that order. He gave the order again, the kid didnt follow it again.
The site of a traffic stop is NOT the time to argue. That is what the court date is for.
For all of you anti-taser people: I've seen tasers SAVE lives. Officers being put in situations where deadly force is more than justified, but they chose not to go that route and use a taser instead. It's easy to sit at home and complain about cops using tasers when you only see the bad uses of them.
You're right. Everything the cop did was justified. When a cop points a weapon at you and you walk away from him and reach for your pocket.... They are trained to fire at that point and its not unreasonable for them to do so.
With that said, the cop was a complete asshole and if he has a history of behavior like that he should be removed from the force. The cop escalated that situation not the motorist. Once the situation was elevated the cop did what he should have but if the police officer can not handle a situation better than that then he has no business being a police officer. I don't care what else he might have to deal with or the shit that goes along with the job he chose. The kid was speaking and acting pretty rationally. The actions that got him tazered where most probably an action of fear although as I said, the officer was justified in his reaction.
I'd bet $100 if the cop took 90 seconds explaining to the kid that he would go to jail if he didn't sign the ticket the entire episode would have been avoided and YES the cop should have tried everything possible to not escalate the situation.
Um no I did not.
First time I was dong 55 in a 70 zone.
The cop wrote me up for 84.
I gave him the keys and said if he can get it up to 60 he can keep it.
The van was fully loaded with the back barely an inch above hitting the tires as we were moving to Denver.
Second time debi was looking at street signs to find a road heading back home and I was going super slow in a 35 mph zone. Her sister was in the back seat.
There was a red pick up truck that was flying through the area.
The cop could not or did not bother to go get him so he pulled up behind me.
He wrote me up for nearly 50 mph which was absolutely total 110% bullshit as you are for making a judgment that you have no fvking idea or grounds to say.
The only one endangering lives is the pussification of America by people like you.
Bow down to your overlords why don't you.
halik
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Well i agree on the fact that the cop should've made it clear that the man is under arrest and that he is resisting arrest.
But he was definitely NOT turning around or following what the cop said - he was not following the orders. I think it's a lot better to zap the man than trying to manhandle it.
mugs
Lifer
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Erroneous! Erroneous! It's amazing how this story changes every time. It started out as "less than 40" (in a 35 zone), and now it's "super slow." Dave, if you knew you were going less than 35 you would have said less than 35. If you claim now that you know you were going less than 35 at the time, you're a liar.
Wait, don't tell me - it was a 7.0 earthquake that shook your speedometer and made it look like you were going 40, wasn't it?
Sphexi
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I watched up until the girl got back into the SUV, then decided that the cop was not at fault. If you get pulled over, and are dealing with any form of law enforcement, show some damn respect and do what you're asked. If the guy doubted the existence of a 40mph sign, he could've signed the ticket, gone to look, then taken it to court and won. The dashboard cam would've backed him up on it. Instead he argued with the officer, told the officer what was going to happen (stupid), and then refused to follow the officer's commands.
I hope more idiots like him get tasered.
I hope more idiots like him get tasered.
waggy
No Lifer
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yeap. wich is why most are saying both were wrong and dicks. the kid should hav elistened and obeyed everything. BUT the officer should have defused the situation instead of being a badass and tasering the guy.
and yes tasers save lives. i just wish they would really think about the use before they do it sometimes. such as in this case.
Call it whatever the hell you want. I was doing the speed limit and not breaking any fcking law. Go jump off a cliff lemming.
BoomerD
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In most states...yes.
When you sign a ticket, you are promising to appear. By refusing to sign, you are refusing to promise to appear, (duh) and the law then permits the officer to haul your ass to jail where you can be held until you DO appear. At that time, the judge, magistrate, Justice of the Peace, or whoever, can set bail, set you free on your own recognizance, etc.
Signing a ticket is not admitting to the charges, merely agreeing to appear in court. WTF are people so stupid that they think they can refuse and not suffer the consequences?
I only had one "meeting with the UHP when we lived there...I was permitted to participate in their "autograph exchange program."..:roll:
BTW, when I went to court, the judge assigned the responsibility to the owner of the truck I was driving, and I receved NO points on my record.
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