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Crazy UHP Tasers speeder

No clue why he was asked to exit the vehicle for refusing to sign, but, he did not listen to the officer's commands to turn around and place his hands behind his back. In fact he kept toying around with his right side pants pcoket. That cop had no clue what he was possibly reaching for and acted accordingly.


If he had the right to refuse signing the ticket the officer was in the wrong for escalating the issue.

Someone could make a fortune selling taser proof clothing.
 
The officer was a dick, but the guy really shouldn't have walked away like that. Both people fail.
 
Not as clear cut as your post makes it sound. They're both idiots. Granted, an idiot cop is a lot more dangerous than an idiot civvy.
 
Originally posted by: Savij
The officer was a dick, but the guy really shouldn't have walked away like that. Both people fail.
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Both people fail...but the officer is *always* more responsible because he is in a position of authority.
 
You know what, Have ANY of you ever BEEN a cop???

When you pull over someone for a traffic stop and the are acting like that much of an ass and then start to reach into their pockets, you have to assume the worst and protect yourself. Because if you don't then you most likely end up dead or wounded. Was the cop a little hasty to jump to using the taser, yes, but was it completely unjustified, absolutely not. Having worked as a Sheriff's Deputy for over a year and a half while I was finishing up College, you can't know what is going through that cop's mind unless you have been in those types of situations. Was the cop a bit of a dick, yes, but then again, this dumbass driver JUST passed the 40 MPH sign and completely failed to follow this cops instructions. Also the fact that this trooper had no backup makes this even more justified because it is REALLY hard to keep yourself safe solo.
 
Originally posted by: Squisher
Refusing to sign a ticket is grounds for an arrest?
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Being an ass is grounds for an arrest. Most states have a "Disorderly Conduct" law. Which is a kind of loose catch all for things that stupid people will do, it is only a misdemeanor and a small one at that.
 
With the look on the kids face and him arguing then playing with his pocket I'd tase him too. But, cop was being a douche. I agree, double fail.
 
Originally posted by: Squisher
Refusing to sign a ticket is grounds for an arrest?
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That is my understanding. Signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, just an acknowledgment that you received your copy of the citation. If they don't have your signature to prove it, it follows that they'd need to take you in, at least briefly, to make a record of your being issued the citation in front of witnesses.
 
Originally posted by: Squisher
Refusing to sign a ticket is grounds for an arrest?
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As far as I know, yes. When you sign it you're not admitting guilt and losing your ability to fight it. You just acknowledge that you go the ticket. You can proceed to fight it later and the signature doesn't hurt you.

Edit bah.. too slow
 
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by: manowar821
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
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See and that is JUST the kind of comment I would expect from someone who has NEVER been a cop, or known one personally.

Also, I would like to add an: ARE YOU FREAKIN BLIND!!?? The driver was fiddling with something in his right pants pocket and acting like a total ass hat. He may have had absolutely NOTHING in that pocket, but when you are dealing with cops, you do NOT put your hands in your pockets with telling them why or being asked.
 
Originally posted by: pulsedrive
Originally posted by: manowar821
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
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See and that is JUST the kind of comment I would expect from someone who has NEVER been a cop, or known one personally.

Also, I would like to add an: ARE YOU FREAKIN BLIND!!?? The driver was fiddling with something in his right pants pocket and acting like a total ass hat. He may have had absolutely NOTHING in that pocket, but when you are dealing with cops, you do NOT put your hands in your pockets with telling them why or being asked.
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just because we are nto cops does not mean we can't say we think he was wrong.

the cop was wrong. but so was the driver. both were idiots.
 
Originally posted by: pulsedrive
Originally posted by: manowar821
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
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See and that is JUST the kind of comment I would expect from someone who has NEVER been a cop, or known one personally.

Also, I would like to add an: ARE YOU FREAKIN BLIND!!?? The driver was fiddling with something in his right pants pocket and acting like a total ass hat. He may have had absolutely NOTHING in that pocket, but when you are dealing with cops, you do NOT put your hands in your pockets with telling them why or being asked.
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It goes 50/50 though. Just because you are a cop doesn't mean you can abuse your responsibility and make a escalated situation out of a rational one. The guy was not acting half as ass-hatty than the cop. He was talking in calm tones and movements while the officer was jumping around shouting with his hand on the taser.

I understand that officers are in fear of their lives, but if it is too scary to think rationally then get the hell out of the profession.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pulsedrive
Originally posted by: manowar821
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
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See and that is JUST the kind of comment I would expect from someone who has NEVER been a cop, or known one personally.

Also, I would like to add an: ARE YOU FREAKIN BLIND!!?? The driver was fiddling with something in his right pants pocket and acting like a total ass hat. He may have had absolutely NOTHING in that pocket, but when you are dealing with cops, you do NOT put your hands in your pockets with telling them why or being asked.
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just because we are nto cops does not mean we can't say we think he was wrong.

the cop was wrong. but so was the driver. both were idiots.
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Wrong is a very subjective term in this situation. Did he do things EXACTLY the way I would in his situation, no, but then again that very well may have gotten me shot or stabbed. As a cop you have no way of knowing what he is fucking around with in his pants. Now the cop should have told him to get his fracking hands out of his pants before tasering him, but then again the asshat of a driver should have never had them there to begin with, not to mention was being completely asinine in how he was dealing with this cop. You don't take that kind of crap up with the cop while he has you on the side of the road. You take pictures, etc, and then deal with it in court.

Was there fault on both sides? Yes. However the civilian is the one who 1. was speeding and broke the law. 2. didn't handle the situation well in the least. You don't just start walking around all willy nilly when the cop is giving you instructions.

That cop's first priority is to keep himself safe, and the public safe second. I know that sounds backwards, but if he gets shot, he can't protect anyone.
 
Okay, when someone points a gun at you, you'll either have two natural instincts. One is to put as much distance between the gun and you as possible, the other will be to freeze. The driver was obviously confused as to why the officer was being unreasonable, and having the gun drawn on him without him expecting it seemed to scare him and he naturally felt like moving away. He wasn't trying to escape, he was frightened by the cop's behavior. Is he blameless? No, but did he deserve a taser? I don't think so.

I don't mind one bit when a cop uses the taser in a hostile situation, but when they start using them to make up for their incompetence at defusing a small disgruntled encounter - shooting anything that shows the least bit of defiance, I start to get irked.
 
Originally posted by: pulsedrive
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pulsedrive
Originally posted by: manowar821
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
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See and that is JUST the kind of comment I would expect from someone who has NEVER been a cop, or known one personally.

Also, I would like to add an: ARE YOU FREAKIN BLIND!!?? The driver was fiddling with something in his right pants pocket and acting like a total ass hat. He may have had absolutely NOTHING in that pocket, but when you are dealing with cops, you do NOT put your hands in your pockets with telling them why or being asked.
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just because we are nto cops does not mean we can't say we think he was wrong.

the cop was wrong. but so was the driver. both were idiots.
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Wrong is a very subjective term in this situation. Did he do things EXACTLY the way I would in his situation, no, but then again that very well may have gotten me shot or stabbed. As a cop you have no way of knowing what he is fucking around with in his pants. Now the cop should have told him to get his fracking hands out of his pants before tasering him, but then again the asshat of a driver should have never had them there to begin with, not to mention was being completely asinine in how he was dealing with this cop. You don't take that kind of crap up with the cop while he has you on the side of the road. You take pictures, etc, and then deal with it in court.

Was there fault on both sides? Yes. However the civilian is the one who 1. was speeding and broke the law. 2. didn't handle the situation well in the least. You don't just start walking around all willy nilly when the cop is giving you instructions.

That cop's first priority is to keep himself safe, and the public safe second. I know that sounds backwards, but if he gets shot, he can't protect anyone.
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speeding is a so fucking minor to hold it agains the guy is idiotic. second i would say the cop did not handle the situation well in the least. the driver was calm where the cop was acting as if he was on a surger rush.


the cop screwed up. BUT so did the driver. neither handled the situation right.

 
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Okay, when someone points a gun at you, you'll either have two natural instincts. One is to put as much distance between the gun and you as possible, the other will be to freeze. The driver was obviously confused as to why the officer was being unreasonable, and having the gun drawn on him without him expecting it seemed to scare him and he naturally felt like moving away. He wasn't trying to escape, he was frightened by the cop's behavior. Is he blameless? No, but did he deserve a taser? I don't think so.

I don't mind one bit when a cop uses the taser in a hostile situation, but when they start using them to make up for their incompetence at defusing a small disgruntled encounter - shooting anything that shows the least bit of defiance, I start to get irked.
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exactly!

 
the only thing that video was lacking was a double-tase - arms extended in both directions feeding sweet electrical current to both the guy and his lady. Now that would have been fun to watch.
 
Originally posted by: pulsedrive
Originally posted by: manowar821
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
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See and that is JUST the kind of comment I would expect from someone who has NEVER been a cop, or known one personally.

Also, I would like to add an: ARE YOU FREAKIN BLIND!!?? The driver was fiddling with something in his right pants pocket and acting like a total ass hat. He may have had absolutely NOTHING in that pocket, but when you are dealing with cops, you do NOT put your hands in your pockets with telling them why or being asked.
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He was not acting like an ass-hat, questioning authority is perfectly fine, it is not ass-hat behavior. The pant pocket, I'm not so sure about. It looked like he was just resting his hands there at first, but then he didn't pull his hands out after having the gun drawn on him... I don't know. I'd like to know why he didn't put his hands up or SOMETHING. He didn't have anything dangerous, or we would've heard about it.
 
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
dude needs to learn to comply with the law
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Eh, I think he just needs to learn how to argue with a cop without appearing to have a knife or gun in his pocket.
 
Originally posted by: Squisher
Refusing to sign a ticket is grounds for an arrest?
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Interesting indeed.

Last two bogus tickets I got I would not sign as they were clearly for revenue and I had not done anything wrong.

When did this signature crap come into being anyway?
 
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